LSU Denies Southern Request to meet with Tyrann Mathieu?!?

[number1]

SU's enrollment went down and BRCC's enrollment went up. SU has to compete with BRCC more so than LSU (if LSU at all). LSU is a national football program and the program's national appeal also brings more students there. I don't believe there are a significant number of former SU football season ticket holders now buying season tickets at LSU.

Um....BRCC is an open enrollment school where a lot of non-traditional students and students that won't meet the SU academic standards attend. There is no competition at all there. However with SU opening it's own community college on campus, that part will be competing with BRCC.

 

[Kamala]

Um....BRCC is an open enrollment school where a lot of non-traditional students and students that won't meet the SU academic standards attend. There is no competition at all there. However with SU opening it's own community college on campus, that part will be competing with BRCC.

If you don't think BRCC competes with SU for students then I can't convince otherwise. I'm imagining everything.

 

[number1]

Yes dear I can tell.....lol.....SMH....But that's just my observation...

But SU...TSU...JSU...GSU...etc....we all fighting the same battles....

And for those of you who cant see it BRCC is just another part of the plan....for the record when they leave BRCC the majority of them aint going to Southern...guess where they are going though....

I don't know where you are getting your info, but the majority of the youngster around here have been CONDITIONED to go to LSU now....by which ever rout they would take...thru BRCC or str8 from high school. Again you can CHOOSE to believe that there isn't a competition if you will...but you'd be WRONG!

I went to high school with a lot of the kool-aid drinkers thinking that going to LSU over Southern actually meant something. Somewhere along the way, they were fed this white-is-right attitude.

 

[number1]

If you don't think BRCC competes with SU for students then I can't convince otherwise. I'm imagining everything.

We will now with the new SU division created on campus. The only competition is for those non-traditional students that can't go to school full-time and can instead take classes at BRCC.

 

[Kamala]

I went to high school with a lot of the kool-aid drinkers thinking that going to LSU over Southern actually meant something. Somewhere along the way, they were fed this white-is-right attitude.

I wasn't fed anything. I went to SU initially when I could have went to LSU initially. I wanted to go to a HBCU but SU wasn't for me. Many people say that going to LSU you'll just be another number or you'll be mistreated on account of race. I can say I never felt that...I wasn't looking for it either. The resources at a major state university just can't be overstated. I mean LSU had more tutorial services and I never had a problem meeting with a professor to discuss a grade or my progress in their class as well as receiving career advice from them. I still have relationships with my professors from LSU. Being that SU professors have a larger teaching load than professors at Research-I institutions like LSU, the professors at LSU have more time to get to know and help their students. Basically, if you come to class and participate at LSU, regardless of how big the class is, you will get more than enough one on one attention. At SU, I had some good professors but they were simply overworked and underfunded. Now, I did have a professor at SU to insult me but I don't project his trifling ways onto SU though.

 

[number1]

And don't get me wrong it is not just Southern that is in LSU's crosshairs...it is every University in this state...Southern is just the immediate target....I mean at one time Tulane was on par with LSU...was even considered a Rival...remember that....but New Orleans is very fertile ground....seek and destroy....now look at Tulane's athletic programs vs LSU's...you don't think that was planned that way.....Louisiana Tech use to run Sh!t in women's college basketball, but just so happens that at the same time LSU rose to be a national power in Women's Basketball, LA Tech's program all but disappeared...I know you guys don't believe your "FLAGSHIP" University would actually do anything like seek out another school in its state and take its glory to have as a treasure at LSU...I know you guys think toooooo much of that great institution to think they'd stoop to such tactics as that......I know you don't think they would have basic BUSINESS practices as "Take out the Competition".....I know....I know....it all just happened to happen that way....WOW!

And LSU wanted no part of La Tech women either. lol. UL-Lafayette is about to get shut down too if their football team starts a run of winning seasons. Man, and when SU women beat LSU women in basketball and then followed it up with a close loss to LSU, we heard nothing from LSU wanting to play us again until they got Seimone Augustus.lol. I bet LSU won't play UL-Lafayette again until their team regresses, the same can be said with La Tech.

 

[number1]

Sure, LSU and SU are both similar entities in that they are both universities with sports programs. But, that's where the similarities end. LSU is a major, nationwide sports program while SU isn't. And, that's no slight to SU; it simply is what it is.

Now, as far as LSU being more influential with the youth now, in particular, Black youth than SU now. I'd agree. But, that's because LSU has a prominent football program. Also, it doesn't hurt that LSU has its athletes visiting community schools in Baton Rouge. I saw some LSU volleyball players at Dufrocq Elementary. If SU wants to increase its popularity among the youth, they must stop resting on their laurels and act like it's a competition to get students. Are SU athletes talking to kids at these community schools?

I am sure they are.

 

[yis2003yis]

SU's enrollment went down and BRCC's enrollment went up. SU has to compete with BRCC more so than LSU (if LSU at all). LSU is a national football program and the program's national appeal also brings more students there. I don't believe there are a significant number of former SU football season ticket holders now buying season tickets at LSU.

I don't think u understand....SU and GSU would get most of the top players in the Black High Schools in LA and LSU was over looking them....Now LSU know's where the talent is and go for it.....Now we struggle to get them because they see $$$ when u mention LSU it once was a pride thing....now its a money and fame thing

 

[number1]

I don't think u understand....SU and GSU would get most of the top players in the Black High Schools in LA and LSU was over looking them....Now LSU know's where the talent is and go for it.....Now we struggle to get them because they see $$$ when u mention LSU it once was a pride thing....now its a money and fame thing

And will go there and sit on the bench all 4 years on the scouting team too.

 

[Kamala]

I don't think u understand....SU and GSU would get most of the top players in the Black High Schools in LA and LSU was over looking them....Now LSU know's where the talent is and go for it.....Now we struggle to get them because they see $$$ when u mention LSU it once was a pride thing....now its a money and fame thing

When was that? In the 70s and up to the mid to late 80s? If so, I can agree with that. But, those days are long gone and won't be coming back. It's too many billions in big-time college football now.

 

[Kamala]

And will go there and sit on the bench all 4 years on the scouting team too.

Very few big-time programs nowadays will allow a scholarship player to sit around for four years on the scout team. If you aren't producing they'll move you out. I mean they'll let you finish up school but your spot on the team is gone.

 

[number1]

When was that? In the 70s and up to the mid to late 80s? If so, I can agree with that. But, those days are long gone and won't be coming back. It's too many billions in big-time college football now.

It is still happening. Even those players that LSU has no use for, they will take to put on their scout teams. Players that will never see playing time even in a 65-0 blowout choose to go to LSU over starting for 3-4 season at SU or GSU. Will even walk-on the team to do that and pass on a scholarship. lol

 

[yis2003yis]

When was that? In the 70s and up to the mid to late 80s? If so, I can agree with that. But, those days are long gone and won't be coming back. It's too many billions in big-time college football now.

Trust me......I like LSU Football....but they don't wanna see a winning SU

 

[Kamala]

It is still happening. Even those players that LSU has no use for, they will take to put on their scout teams. Players that will never see playing time even in a 65-0 blowout choose to go to LSU over starting for 3-4 season at SU or GSU. Will even walk-on the team to do that and pass on a scholarship. lol

And, you can never see starting time at a big-time program and still make it to the NFL. Matt Cassell?! Man, 4 and 5 star players don't go to LSU, Bama, and USC b/c they figure to start immediately. But, they go because they know they'll receive the best coaching, nutrition, training, and will have more cachet on their resume if they pursue a career in the NFL or with a degree from those institutions.

Guys feel like it's better to ride the pine in the SEC than to start in the SWAC. I can't blame them.

 

[number1]

Trust me......I like LSU Football....but they don't wanna see a winning SU

They just hated having to share that parade with us in 2003. lol

 

[number1]

And, you can never see starting time at a big-time program and still make it to the NFL. Matt Cassell?! Man, 4 and 5 star players don't go to LSU, Bama, and USC b/c they figure to start immediately. But, they go because they know they'll receive the best coaching, nutrition, training, and will have more cachet on their resume if they pursue a career in the NFL or with a degree from those institutions.

Guys feel like it's better to ride the pine in the SEC than to start in the SWAC. I can't blame them.

I'm not talking about just 4 and 5-star players. I am talking about the 2 and 3-star players too. You can make it to the NFL starting for an HBCU too. UL-Lafayette and La Tech have finally started getting those players to come to their schools.

 

[dcpsujag]

At the time I'm typing this I'm indeed living in Baton Rouge. I'm very well aware that SU's drop in enrollment coincided with BRCC's creation and expansion of their programs and SU ending its open enrollment policy. Also, when a student in Louisiana can get a TOPS Scholarship that made it easier to choose to go to LSU rather than SU. I know b/c I transferred from SU to LSU as an undergrad and I had a TOPS Scholarship. If tuition is free at state universities why go somewhere with bad customer service like SU?

im a 2005 graduate of S.U. so i know what you mean about the customer service,however, it NEVER was enough to run me off. in my high school graduating class there were only 15 blacks out of 520. 10 went to lsu 5 went to su after our four years there were only 4 left at lsu and the 5 that started at southern GRADUATED from aouthern. you sir are one of the lucky few did graduate from lsu. another thing the reason customer service was so bad was that some of the things that you need to make certain things run smoothly is money. you have to remember southern and grambling did not start getting ther fair share untill the late 80's

 

[Kamala]

I'm not talking about just 4 and 5-star players. I am talking about the 2 and 3-star players too. You can make it to the NFL starting for an HBCU too. UL-Lafayette and La Tech have finally started getting those players to come to their schools.

Ok, yet, in still what can SU offer that ULL and LA Tech can't? Louisiana guys LSU will take a pass on go to ULL and LA Tech because they are better than FCS caliber players. SU is a FCS school that doesn't even play the best FCS schools and you're trying to compare it to one of the best FBS schools in LSU and respected FBS programs at ULL and LA Tech. C'mon son. See, this is what I'm talking about with some HBCUs being so focused on the past. The past is just that the past. You can't recreate it. Now, HBCUs must work with what they have and build upon that. But, talking about olden days does nothing.

 

[dcpsujag]

Sure, LSU and SU are both similar entities in that they are both universities with sports programs. But, that's where the similarities end. LSU is a major, nationwide sports program while SU isn't. And, that's no slight to SU; it simply is what it is.

Now, as far as LSU being more influential with the youth now, in particular, Black youth than SU now. I'd agree. But, that's because LSU has a prominent football program. Also, it doesn't hurt that LSU has its athletes visiting community schools in Baton Rouge. I saw some LSU volleyball players at Dufrocq Elementary. If SU wants to increase its popularity among the youth, they must stop resting on their laurels and act like it's a competition to get students. Are SU athletes talking to kids at these community schools?

man southern has the same programs i know cause i knew a few su athletes during my time there and they were always going somewhere.

 

[number1]

Ok, yet, in still what can SU offer that ULL and LA Tech can't? Louisiana guys LSU will take a pass on go to ULL and LA Tech because they are better than FCS caliber players. SU is a FCS school that doesn't even play the best FCS schools and you're trying to compare it to one of the best FBS schools in LSU and respected FBS programs at ULL and LA Tech. C'mon son. See, this is what I'm talking about with some HBCUs being so focused on the past. The past is just that the past. You can't recreate it.

What I was saying is that LSU was doing the same thing to those schools, but they have finally managed to start getting those players that LSU blocked from them. You don't seem to know about the system works. The minute UL-Lafayette and La Tech start to build a winner, LSU will do their best to block those 2 and 3-star players from going to ULL and La Tech too. They start growing their fanbases(while it won't compare to LSU's), that means fewer people buying LSU tickets and using that money to attend La Tech and ULL games. LSU definitely doesn't want to see ULL live up to its true potential.

 

[IB4DemJags]

Sure, LSU and SU are both similar entities in that they are both universities with sports programs. But, that's where the similarities end. LSU is a major, nationwide sports program while SU isn't. And, that's no slight to SU; it simply is what it is.

Now, as far as LSU being more influential with the youth now, in particular, Black youth than SU now. I'd agree. But, that's because LSU has a prominent football program. Also, it doesn't hurt that LSU has its athletes visiting community schools in Baton Rouge. I saw some LSU volleyball players at Dufrocq Elementary. If SU wants to increase its popularity among the youth, they must stop resting on their laurels and act like it's a competition to get students. Are SU athletes talking to kids at these community schools?

Kamala, all I am trying to get you to see, which I know you do, is that there is a competition between the two Universities...this whole conversation started on the fact that LSU didn't want the extra attention to go to Southern that a Tyran Mathieu would bring. That would cut into their attention. It would go against the principles they have worked so hard to instill in the young folk...that you have to go to their program to make it to the next level. It would also show that LSU doesn't give those kids the talent they have, they have it when they get there. Lots and Lots of youngsters are so impressionable and believe BS that is thrown their way. Without examples, modern ones, they will continue to think that way. LSU has worked long and hard to get this situation to where it is....to where it is perceived that they are the only rout to the ultimate dreams of most athletes. In the business sense of this, it behooves them to either keep him on their campus, or get him as far away from it as possible...even entertaining the thought that the most popular athlete in the country would be on the campus of YOUR IMMEDIATE competition is simply out of the question.

All I am trying to get you to see is the competition from the business standpoint of this issue. You and DCG seemed to be stating that Southern was not and is not on the radar of an LSU....but that is simply not true. They control the media, weather it be sports or other wise and that is by design, not by chance. They keep the attention towards them also by design and not by chance. Again, attention leads to fans and even to students....if a student is paying tuition to Southern, he/she is not paying it to LSU...the same goes for a fan, if that fan is at an SU game and spending money on that campus, he/she is not spending that money with them...The business side of the deal is where the dollars are being spent, and how you get to that point....

The main point to this entire conversation is in business you do not give assistance to your competition in any way if you can help it, and keeping the most popular football player in all of college football away from Southern University is very high on the priority list....that includes JSU and PVU as well.....SU connections....

On something else, if I offended you or DCG with any of my comments in this conversation, you do have my apologies...my intent is not to offend or anything along those lines, only to get my point across. I admit I do not always do it the right way....

 

[Kamala]

im a 2005 graduate of S.U. so i know what you mean about the customer service,however, it NEVER was enough to run me off. in my high school graduating class there were only 15 blacks out of 520. 10 went to lsu 5 went to su after our four years there were only 4 left at lsu and the 5 that started at southern GRADUATED from aouthern. you sir are one of the lucky few did graduate from lsu. another thing the reason customer service was so bad was that some of the things that you need to make certain things run smoothly is money. you have to remember southern and grambling did not start getting ther fair share untill the late 80's

Bruh, my troublesome experiences with SU wasn't about money. It was about SU employees talking to students like they're shit and like the students are doing them a favor by coming to SU. That sort of foolishness wouldn't be tolerated at LSU at all! LSU takes student evaluations of faculty members very seriously.

 

[IB4DemJags]

What I was saying is that LSU was doing the same thing to those schools, but they have finally managed to start getting those players that LSU blocked from them. You don't seem to know about the system works. The minute UL-Lafayette and La Tech start to build a winner, LSU will do their best to block those 2 and 3-star players from going to ULL and La Tech too. They start growing their fanbases(while it won't compare to LSU's), that means fewer people buying LSU tickets and using that money to attend La Tech and ULL games. LSU definitely doesn't want to see ULL live up to its true potential.

This is so true...history support this statement....

 

[Kamala]

Kamala, all I am trying to get you to see, which I know you do, is that there is a competition between the two Universities...this whole conversation started on the fact that LSU didn't want the extra attention to go to Southern that a Tyran Mathieu would bring. That would cut into their attention. It would go against the principles they have worked so hard to instill in the young folk...that you have to go to their program to make it to the next level. It would also show that LSU doesn't give those kids the talent they have, they have it when they get there. Lots and Lots of youngsters are so impressionable and believe BS that is thrown their way. Without examples, modern ones, they will continue to think that way. LSU has worked long and hard to get this situation to where it is....to where it is perceived that they are the only rout to the ultimate dreams of most athletes. In the business sense of this, it behooves them to either keep him on their campus, or get him as far away from it as possible...even entertaining the thought that the most popular athlete in the country would be on the campus of YOUR IMMEDIATE competition is simply out of the question.

All I am trying to get you to see is the competition from the business standpoint of this issue. You and DCG seemed to be stating that Southern was not and is not on the radar of an LSU....but that is simply not true. They control the media, weather it be sports or other wise and that is by design, not by chance. They keep the attention towards them also by design and not by chance. Again, attention leads to fans and even to students....if a student is paying tuition to Southern, he/she is not paying it to LSU...the same goes for a fan, if that fan is at an SU game and spending money on that campus, he/she is not spending that money with them...The business side of the deal is where the dollars are being spent, and how you get to that point....

The main point to this entire conversation is in business you do not give assistance to your competition in any way if you can help it, and keeping the most popular football player in all of college football away from Southern University is very high on the priority list....that includes JSU and PVU as well.....SU connections....

On something else, if I offended you or DCG with any of my comments in this conversation, you do have my apologies...my intent is not to offend or anything along those lines, only to get my point across. I admit I do not always do it the right way....

You're cool with me. I graduated from LSU but I'm Scotland born and bred ;-)

I see your point, but it's hard for me to say LSU wants it to be perceived as they are the only way to the NFL when there are plenty of NFL players from ULL. I mean these kids aren't stupid; they are very savvy when it comes to the recruiting process. I just think in the past, LSU may have hindered SU when they were competing for the same players but I just don't see that nowadays or even in the recent past. We disagree.

 

[IB4DemJags]

Bruh, my troublesome experiences with SU wasn't about money. It was about SU employees talking to students like their shit and like the students are doing them a favor by coming to SU. That sort of foolishness wouldn't be tolerated at LSU at all! LSU takes student evaluations of faculty members very seriously.

Kamala, like I was telling you earlier, this is still part of the Big Plan...If you check, a lot of the department heads and chairs of departments are not Southern University folk....they come from other places, many from LSU...this is not by chance, more by design as well...these folk have been placed there to do a job, and it has nothing to do with their job titles...if the chair, or the director doesn't care about the company, but has assurances that if they do what they are put there for (destruction), there is job security. They will not lead or insist that those under them, who obviously like them are only there to collect a check, perform in the most professional way or even in a manor that is most beneficial to the company/University...Believe it or not many of these employees are LSU grads as well...