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Man, you bout as happy to find a flaw in one of my posts as much as you were when PB had a decent crowd show up for a change for cryin out loud.

If you need an apology, here it is. Apology offered.

The bigger fish are what I choose to focus my attention on, such as the SCG and where it should be marketed and played, and the hundreds of thousands of dollars it should be raking in.

The SCG should be drawing far more than it did this year, especially since the weather was almost perfect. Whoever's marketing the SCG needs to be fired. Someone who's creative, innovative and not afraid to take risks should be hired.

The SCG has so much potential, it's not even funny, but until the marketing director is willing to take risks, it will continue to draw 20-30,000 when it should be doing at least 40,000.

JayRob, congratulations! I didn't know you had an apology in ya! :)

I take your point about bigger fish, and agree with your premise that we should focus on making the SCG a bigger event, but I do not *yet* share your optimism about it's potential net payoff. Besides, 20-30k in attendance ain't too bad when the Championship Division (IAA) title game only drew 22,000. (Can't find the reference; please correct me if I am in error.)

Are there other resource and strategic commitments to improvement we must make first, before we embark on what could be a risky marketing scheme? Or will the marketing deliver the *net* resources payoff to build the foundation for improvement? Which comes first, the chicken or the egg?
 
JayRob, congratulations! I didn't know you had an apology in ya! :)

I take your point about bigger fish, and agree with your premise that we should focus on making the SCG a bigger event, but I do not *yet* share your optimism about it's potential net payoff. Besides, 20-30k in attendance ain't too bad when the Championship Division (IAA) title game only drew 22,000. (Can't find the reference; please correct me if I am in error.)

Are there other resource and strategic commitments to improvement we must make first, before we embark on what could be a risky marketing scheme? Or will the marketing deliver the *net* resources payoff to build the foundation for improvement? Which comes first, the chicken or the egg?

You'd think the SWAC would have conducted the necessary research before relocating to ANY city, however when you look at the entirety of the situation, it seems like it'd be a win win situation for both the SWAC office and the fans as a whole.
Just think of all the money that would collectively be saved by the fans.
It's really a no-brainer, but let bammans tell it, it's a huge risk.

I'm still waiting on mr. swac's "evidence". Hint-hint.:scared:
 



You're so happy an elated to find one mistake in my diatribe and you can't let it go.
Man, get a life and get off my jock with this NCAA crap.
What in the heck does how much the SWAC gets from the NCAA have to do with the SCG? Again I'll ask, what does how much the SWAC get from the NCAA have to do with the SCG? Nothing.

Facts and figures? I laid out the possibilities and potentials. If you missed go back and re-read them. At least I put them out there, and they were logical or I'm sure your fellow bammans would've pointed it out, but they haven't because they can't.
You just sittin' here talkin yang and ain't showed nothin.
I tell you what, IF you're not afraid, YOU, Mr. SWAC, lay out your reasons for keeping the game in B'ham and I'll once again lay out mine, then we'll compare and see which city would be BEST for the SCG.
I'll do the honor of letting you go first.
Now, don't punk out.

You mentioned figures. No one knows about ANY figures from Jackson because the game's never been played in Jackson. How could anyone give you figures when there are no figures? There are only potentialities and possibilities.
Those potentialities and possibilities seem to far outweigh the present status of the SCG.
To be a success, one has to take risks. If those risks don't pan out, you simply make adjustments. That's business 101.

If things are so grand in B'ham, why in the heck is the SWAC looking for a new city? Are they just wasting their time and money doing this?

Just because you have no imagination and creativity, (like the current SCG marketing director), don't stop others from at least trying to make the SCG what it could or should be.
Progress with us or get the hell outta the way.

I never said the NCAA giving BCS money to the SWAC had ANYTHING to do with the SCG. That's you trying to twist it. The whole situation was about you not knowing what you are talking about, and it goes to show how much someone should trust in what you say. But I'll play your game.

Birmingham gives the SWAC FREE use of AN ENTIRE BUILDING for office space for SWAC HQ.
Birmingham gives the SWAC FREE use of sporting venues for championship game(s). (Legion Field, basketball arena, and city baseball facility.
Birmingham budgeted about $550,000 to GIVE to the SWAC last fiscal year.
The SWAC has NEVER voiced a problem about Birmingham. The only one's complaining is you all. Birmingham is not the problem. The few myopic fans are.
Is that enough FACTS AND FIGURES for you?

Is Jackson gonna offer a better deal than that? The SWAC was doing horribly financially in New Orleans. They were taxing that SWAC ass like some true pimps are supposed to. Please rationalize the move to Jackson or New Orleans. College athletics is a business, and if you are not making money....

And the SWAC is not looking for a new city. They are keeping their options open in case someone decides to put together a better package than what Birmingham currently offers the SWAC.
 
Birmingham gives the SWAC FREE use of AN ENTIRE BUILDING for office space for SWAC HQ.
Birmingham gives the SWAC FREE use of sporting venues for championship game(s). (Legion Field, basketball arena, and city baseball facility.
Birmingham budgeted about $550,000 to GIVE to the SWAC last fiscal year.
The SWAC has NEVER voiced a problem about Birmingham. The only one's complaining is you all. Birmingham is not the problem. The few myopic fans are.
Is that enough FACTS AND FIGURES for you?
Is B'Ham giving us all this free stuff forever??? What is the city getting out of it???
 
Is B'Ham giving us all this free stuff forever??? What is the city getting out of it???

Come on Robber. Birmingham just created a tourist weekend. The SCG allows the city to generate money for the city, sales tax, hotel tax, and car rental tax for a weekend that would other wise be empty. Parking fees for the game, and who knows how many other ways the city is making money off the game.

It is going to be hard for Jackson to offer the same because of LOCATION. If the game was in Jackson, who many people in Jackson are going to rent a car, get hotel rooms, dine out that weekend, and shop? Since Jackson is such a good location, how many SU, GSU, UAPB, MSVU and Alcorn fans are going to do the same?

Yes, attendance will go up for the game because of the location. But at what price? If the city of Jackson or any other city can find a way to make money for themselves and offer the same benefits to the SWAC, then YEAH it is a good possibility, but LOCATION is what going to HURT THEM.
 
Come on Robber. Birmingham just created a tourist weekend. The SCG allows the city to generate money for the city, sales tax, hotel tax, and car rental tax for a weekend that would other wise be empty. Parking fees for the game, and who knows how many other ways the city is making money off the game.

It is going to be hard for Jackson to offer the same because of LOCATION. If the game was in Jackson, who many people in Jackson are going to rent a car, get hotel rooms, dine out that weekend, and shop? Since Jackson is such a good location, how many SU, GSU, UAPB, MSVU and Alcorn fans are going to do the same?

Yes, attendance will go up for the game because of the location. But at what price? If the city of Jackson or any other city can find a way to make money for themselves and offer the same benefits to the SWAC, then YEAH it is a good possibility, but LOCATION is what going to HURT THEM.
You can search this thread for an eternity and you won't find me once saying move the offices to Jackson. I don't care where it is. I may have said LONG AGO that I thought some other places would be better, but I haven't entertained this mess for a minute. This ain't my fight.

And if you and the folk in B'ham feel that it's cool to give away office space, use of stadium and all that other free stuff, for one weekend out the year that brings less than 40,000 folk to the city, then that's fine. If that's the answer. I understand giving breaks for a limited amount of time to entice an organization to come, but sooner or later, the piper gotta get paid. I just wanna know if at some point, is the city gonna start asking for money, or is the city fine with the perpetual freeby.
 
And if you and the folk in B'ham feel that it's cool to give away office space, use of stadium and all that other free stuff, for one weekend out the year that brings less than 40,000 folk to the city, then that's fine. If that's the answer. I understand giving breaks for a limited amount of time to entice an organization to come, but sooner or later, the piper gotta get paid. I just wanna know if at some point, is the city gonna start asking for money, or is the city fine with the perpetual freeby.

Perhaps those issues are outlined in a CONTRACTURAL agreement.
 
Perhaps those issues are outlined in a CONTRACTURAL agreement.
I hope you're not trying to educate me on contracts and CONTRACTUAL agreements.

Anyway, I'm sure there's a contract and it has terms. If anyone remembers or knows, I'd like to know to. I'm just trying to learn something.

If JSU makes it to B'ham, my azz is in B'ham.
 
And if you and the folk in B'ham feel that it's cool to give away office space, use of stadium and all that other free stuff, for one weekend out the year that brings less than 40,000 folk to the city, then that's fine. If that's the answer. I understand giving breaks for a limited amount of time to entice an organization to come, but sooner or later, the piper gotta get paid. I just wanna know if at some point, is the city gonna start asking for money, or is the city fine with the perpetual freeby.

Robber, this is nothing new. Here in Dallas, the city gives the university of Texas and Oklahoma BIG MONEY to keep its game in the Cotton Bowl. Its all to ensure that visitors come to the city. They also give GSU and PVU something like $50K each.

I would bet that they are going to continue to give that stuff away for free as long as it is profitable for them. I would bet that the economic impact on the city is at least $2.5 million for the weekend. I would give up office space ($2500/month) and free use of the stadium ($50K) for $2.5 million.
 
Robber, this is nothing new. Here in Dallas, the city gives the university of Texas and Oklahoma BIG MONEY to keep its game in the Cotton Bowl. Its all to ensure that visitors come to the city. They also give GSU and PVU something like $50K each.

I would bet that they are going to continue to give that stuff away for free as long as it is profitable for them. I would bet that the economic impact on the city is at least $2.5 million for the weekend. I would give up office space ($2500/month) and free use of the stadium ($50K) for $2.5 million.

First, if the city is making $2.5M off of the SCG weekend, I agree. But to me, this is only your theory. Where can the numbers be found???

And the Red River Classic brings WAY more money to Dallas than the city pays to those schools. It's a guaranteed/proven success.
 
What about independents?

I realize that there are not a lot of independents left, but do they get figured into the BCS distributions like the conferences? If so, how is that done? I did not find a reference to them in the article referenced earlier.
 
If we can get the 7 game mandate. 4 non conference games. MEAC isn't the only conference. We can't get to the Southland conferece. I wouldn't mind playing a Sunbelt team. He!! we can't even get SELU.
 
If we can get the 7 game mandate. 4 non conference games. MEAC isn't the only conference. We can't get to the Southland conferece. I wouldn't mind playing a Sunbelt team. He!! we can't even get SELU.
That may not be a bad thing that you can't get SELU. McNeese was a big deal to SU fan. Maybe SELU ain't that big a deal. We gotta schedule teams that provide a measuring stick and at the same time has appeal to the fans. Scheduling Appalachian State may not sound like a big deal to our fans. But maybe if we pub it as "SWAC school" vs. defending I-AA national champion App. State, it might get some appeal. Maybe. In any event, if we're gonna put PWCs on the schedule, we gotta educate our fans about 'em. If only our fans came just to see our teams, regardless of opponent.
 
That may not be a bad thing that you can't get SELU. McNeese was a big deal to SU fan. Maybe SELU ain't that big a deal. We gotta schedule teams that provide a measuring stick and at the same time has appeal to the fans. Scheduling Appalachian State may not sound like a big deal to our fans. But maybe if we pub it as "SWAC school" vs. defending I-AA national champion App. State, it might get some appeal. Maybe. In any event, if we're gonna put PWCs on the schedule, we gotta educate our fans about 'em. If only our fans came just to see our teams, regardless of opponent.

Yeah we didn't have alot of people at the NCCU game but some didn't know they were a tough team.Yeah, I would like to get McNeese back on the schedule.
 
First, if the city is making $2.5M off of the SCG weekend, I agree. But to me, this is only your theory. Where can the numbers be found???

And the Red River Classic brings WAY more money to Dallas than the city pays to those schools. It's a guaranteed/proven success.

Those are simply low end estimates from me. Take $2.5 million and divide that by 40,000 people and you come up with $62 per person. That is a low end estimate for the amount of money one would spend in Birmingham the entire weekend. My hotel was $205 for 2 nights. I had to eat, buy gas, tickets, pay to park both at the game and hotel, bought other stuff.
 



That may not be a bad thing that you can't get SELU. McNeese was a big deal to SU fan. Maybe SELU ain't that big a deal. We gotta schedule teams that provide a measuring stick and at the same time has appeal to the fans. Scheduling Appalachian State may not sound like a big deal to our fans. But maybe if we pub it as "SWAC school" vs. defending I-AA national champion App. State, it might get some appeal. Maybe. In any event, if we're gonna put PWCs on the schedule, we gotta educate our fans about 'em. If only our fans came just to see our teams, regardless of opponent.

I don't understand how some of the regional schools aren't trying to do all they can to get JSU on their schedule. ULM and LaTech's stadiums wouldn't be able to hold the crowd if they played JSU. But neither of these guys will want to do a home and home because of the divisional differences.

I think the JSU fans would support a game against a FCS (former D1AA) if the team was a prior year playoff participant who has some name recognition. But we really need our fans to attend more home games... I'm guilty too in my later years of not making the ride to North La. I let too many "distractions" prevent me from making the games. I will change that by becoming a season ticket holder... that way I will be supporting the athletic department whether I'm there or not. But I gotta do something...if not my grandkids might become too jag friendly!
 
I never said the NCAA giving BCS money to the SWAC had ANYTHING to do with the SCG. That's you trying to twist it. The whole situation was about you not knowing what you are talking about, and it goes to show how much someone should trust in what you say. But I'll play your game.

Birmingham gives the SWAC FREE use of AN ENTIRE BUILDING for office space for SWAC HQ.
Birmingham gives the SWAC FREE use of sporting venues for championship game(s). (Legion Field, basketball arena, and city baseball facility.
Birmingham budgeted about $550,000 to GIVE to the SWAC last fiscal year.
The SWAC has NEVER voiced a problem about Birmingham. The only one's complaining is you all. Birmingham is not the problem. The few myopic fans are.
Is that enough FACTS AND FIGURES for you?

Is Jackson gonna offer a better deal than that? The SWAC was doing horribly financially in New Orleans. They were taxing that SWAC ass like some true pimps are supposed to. Please rationalize the move to Jackson or New Orleans. College athletics is a business, and if you are not making money....

And the SWAC is not looking for a new city. They are keeping their options open in case someone decides to put together a better package than what Birmingham currently offers the SWAC.


Mr. SWAC, thanks for your response. A bruh makes ONE mistake and you write him off. Damn! All of us should be written off then.

Here's another side of the debate.

If B'ham's offering all those free amenities to the SWAC, then keep the headquarters there, UNLESS Jackson can offer a (half-way ) similar deal, which they've been trying to work out for some time. I'll explain the half-way part later.

My point is that the game needs to be moved FOR THE FANS benefit.
My primary concern is for the SCG, though.

The number of fans attending the game in Jackson should easily offset whatever B'ham is offering.
40,000 fans at 25 dollar tickets equals 1,000,000 dollars off the top. This doesn't include SWAC paraphanalia, concessions, etc.

JSU only pays 15,000 dollars per game for rental of the stadium. The city could easily offset that cost. 15,000 dollar's a drop in the bucket compared to 1,000,000 dollars.

You say that B'ham gives the SWAC FREE use of AN ENTIRE BUILDING for office space for SWAC HQ, free use of sporting venues for championship game(s) in basketball, football and baseball.
Birmingham budgeted about $550,000 to GIVE to the SWAC last fiscal year.

Mr. SWAC, all of that's fine and dandy and it sounds good, but the city of B'ham makes far more than that off the fans.
When people make it to town, they're going to go to restaurants, rent cars, buy gas, hotel rooms, go to bars and clubs, Greek shows, movies, etc.
That money doesn't benefit the SWAC, it benefits B'ham.
So those "free" amenities that you mentioned aren't that expensive when you look at the totality of what B'ham pulls in financially for that weekend.

I mentioned some of the advantages of having the game in Jackson in an earlier post, so I'll do it again.

Why in the heck should we reward a city which doesn't cater to the SWAC until the SCG or until the MCC come around?

Every year, at least 5-6 HBCU schools play IN Jackson. When grambing, su, alcorn and other schools come to Jackson, we roll the red carpet out for them. They enjoy themselves for the most part, and most will be back home in less than three hours, whether they choose to spend the night or not.
The same fans usually spend big money by renting hotels, dining out in restaurants, car rentals, clubs, bars, shopping, game paraphanalia, etc.

Here's another tremendous advantage.
If you want to have a battle of the bands, bands wouldn't have to travel as far. That saves even more money for the schools. More than likely, they probably wouldn't have to spend the night, so that's even more money saved from hotel costs and breakfast.

Jackson has the history, the experience, the fans, the facilities, the hotels, the location, and it's 70 percent Black.
Even the saints had their training facility IN Jackson and played at Memorial Stadium to a sellout crowd, AND they're scheduled to do so again next year.

If Jackson's good enough for an NFL team, isn't it good enough for the SCG?
The newspapers, sports stations, news stations, local radio stations always give JSU, valley and alcorn publicity throughout the football season. Even when they're not playing the papers and reporters give them props.
They'll give that same publicity to the SCG, virtually free of charge.
What more does a city need??

B'ham might give the mcc a bit of publicity, along with the SCG, but what about the rest of the football year?
The B'ham people could care less about a SWAC school.
They utilize the SWAC only when they need to.

Jackson's NOT a one or two event wonder like B'ham.

Jackson's an HBCU multi-event wonder and bends over backwards to cater to SWAC schools and it's a great host for all HBCU schools.
When su, grambing, alcorn and other teams come to Jackson, they enjoy themselves without hassle or harassment from police officers.

If you want to keep the headquarters in B'ham, so be it, but the overall cost benefits seem to favor Jackson, especially if it could work out a package half-way similar (not better), to the package offered by B'ham.

Also when there are mandatory appearance meetings for SWAC Presidents, coaches, athletic directors, etc, they have to fly all the way to B'ham. That's more time and cost to the schools for travel expenses. Jackson's more local and cost effective for them as well.

Again, it's a win-win situation if either or both the headquarters and SCG are moved to Jackson, along with the other championship games in basketball and baseball.:nod: :nod:
 
JayRob, you make a valid point. The thing you probably haven't considered is if the SWAC sells one ticket, its a profit in BHam. If the weather is 10 degrees and raining and only 10K show up, its a profit. If it is 10 degrees and raining in Jackson, the SWAC pays $15K for the rental of the stadium, adding expenses like security, etc and only 4K show up because of the weather, then the SWAC eats the loss, not the city. The city will still charge $15K regardless of a rainy or sunny day.

That is what these cities need to do is propose a package that is benefiical to both the SWAC and the city itself. I'm telling you, the city of Dallas gives both Texas and Oklahoma like $400K each year to host the game in Dallas at the cotton bowl. Each school probably keep the gate reciepts, but the city keeps the rest (parking, vendors, hotels, car rentals, dining, etc.).

It is simply going to be too hard for a city in which a SWAC school is located (or even a city near a SWAC school) to compete. There just isn't nothing in it for the city other than rental of the stadium. Sure the SWAC would benefit in Jackson (when the situation is right ie. good weather, JSU or SU in the game), but let the game be between MVSU and TxSU on a cold rainy day, THEN WHAT?
 
Da_Sperm;1087481 . Sure the SWAC would benefit in Jackson (when the situation is right ie. good weather said:
THATS WHERE YOUR POST WENT SOUTH, NO ONE WILL EVER MAKE TO THE SCG FROM THIS POINT FORWARD OTHER THAN SU, JSU OR GSU. SO THAT MATCHUP OR ANY OTHER DOES NOT PLAY INTO THEIR EQUATION. DID YOU FORGET OR SOMETHING!!!!!
 
JayRob, you make a valid point. The thing you probably haven't considered is if the SWAC sells one ticket, its a profit in BHam. If the weather is 10 degrees and raining and only 10K show up, its a profit. If it is 10 degrees and raining in Jackson, the SWAC pays $15K for the rental of the stadium, adding expenses like security, etc and only 4K show up because of the weather, then the SWAC eats the loss, not the city. The city will still charge $15K regardless of a rainy or sunny day.

That is what these cities need to do is propose a package that is benefiical to both the SWAC and the city itself. I'm telling you, the city of Dallas gives both Texas and Oklahoma like $400K each year to host the game in Dallas at the cotton bowl. Each school probably keep the gate reciepts, but the city keeps the rest (parking, vendors, hotels, car rentals, dining, etc.).

It is simply going to be too hard for a city in which a SWAC school is located (or even a city near a SWAC school) to compete. There just isn't nothing in it for the city other than rental of the stadium. Sure the SWAC would benefit in Jackson (when the situation is right ie. good weather, JSU or SU in the game), but let the game be between MVSU and TxSU on a cold rainy day, THEN WHAT?

If just 10,000 people show up, that's 250,000 dollars.
It saves money for tsu's fans and valley's fans, the school bands etc.
valley's fans, band and players would have to travel 4-5 hours to B'ham versus 80-90 minutes to Jackson.
tex. sou fans, band and players would have to travel 9-10 hours to B'ham versus 5-6 hours to Jackson.
Which is more convenient and cheaper, Jackson or B'ham?

If one is to be successful, one must not be afraid of taking risks.
The odds of valley and tex sou being in the SWAC finals isn't all that likely to begin with (no smack intended), just a logical deduction, but even both teams happened to make it to the SCG, it would still not be that much of a risk.

We can't control the weather, we can only control whether we're more willing to travel to Jackson or to B'ham come rain sleet, snow or sunshine.
 
That may not be a bad thing that you can't get SELU. McNeese was a big deal to SU fan. Maybe SELU ain't that big a deal. We gotta schedule teams that provide a measuring stick and at the same time has appeal to the fans. Scheduling Appalachian State may not sound like a big deal to our fans. But maybe if we pub it as "SWAC school" vs. defending I-AA national champion App. State, it might get some appeal. Maybe. In any event, if we're gonna put PWCs on the schedule, we gotta educate our fans about 'em. If only our fans came just to see our teams, regardless of opponent.

that's what you've got to make happen. the way u get fans to come see u play regardless of the opponent is you make them financially committed. if they've already purchased a ticket, they'll come. so you sell them season tickets, maybe even have seat licences. currently we have a walk up ticket base and we've got to transition them to a season ticket fan base. heck, i'm even willing to artifically create a shortage and sacrifice the short term for the long term result of having a majority of my fans be season ticket holders. I think we've also got to look at why other schools in our region in the same division IAA football and basketball mid-majors, have so much bigger budgets and are able to suceed with what they've got when we can't.

as for birmingham, I believe the expectations for the SCG are much greater than the 30k tht showed up. so while that might be better the IAA championship game, i'm sure it falls short of what has been hoped for. the only big BCF game held there every year is the magic city classic that draws 65k fans and just as many who come just to hang out. they had to be hoping the SCG could create another MCC weekend and the economic impact it has on the city. so far, not so good.

as for the swac. if your going to keep the championship game it's time to get to 12 teams so the SCG can be a regular season game and we can participate in the playoffs.

question. division I was split in to IA and IAA in 1978. in 1977 grambling was ranked as high as #20 in the country, ranked ahead of LSU. jsu #51, su was in the top 100, but for some reason the next yer, 1978, the first for IAA they choice IAA instead of IA. that year grambling was 9-1-1 and still probably won of the top 20 or 25 teams in the country but was in IAA football and effectively out of the national football spotlight. why did they make this choice? I haven't found anything that tells what the criteria was to be in IA. this looks like the BIG mistake the swac made imho. it's hard to tell b/c I don't know what the debate was, what money was involved. what i do know is that the swac had several premier programs and basically gave that up. they were able to live off the legend for many years after but the memory of that day has passed. so, if any one can tell me I'd sure like to know why?
 
Robber,

Excellent Point!!

Major095,

that's what you've got to make happen. the way u get fans to come see u play regardless of the opponent is you make them financially committed. if they've already purchased a ticket, they'll come. so you sell them season tickets, maybe even have seat licences. currently we have a walk up ticket base and we've got to transition them to a season ticket fan base. heck, i'm even willing to artifically create a shortage and sacrifice the short term for the long term result of having a majority of my fans be season ticket holders. I think we've also got to look at why other schools in our region in the same division IAA football and basketball mid-majors, have so much bigger budgets and are able to suceed with what they've got when we can't.

Often times the difference the athletic operating budget is a factor of school enrollment. I believe many of us assume that if a program is Division I Football Championship Subdivision (formerly I-AA) level that the schools are similar in enrollment size. One should also factor into the equations the economic disparity in the HBCU student body base and our regional PWC counterparts. Every HBCU in the SWAC has at least 59.6% of the undergraduate students qualifying for Federal Pell Grants in the 2004-05 academic year. Mississippi Valley State in fact has 98.7%. It would be difficult to ask this student body base to increase their tuition fees to support athletics.

For example the smallest enrollment in the Southland Conference is 6,504.
-Average- = 13,393
(Note: the average enrollment is larger than the SWAC largest school?s enrollment with fewer football conference members)
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exas State 27,171
Southeastern Louisiana 16,068
Sam Houston State 15,322
Central Arkansas 12,000
Stephen F. Austin 11,435
Northwestern State 9,847
McNeese State 8,800
Nicholls State 6,504

Southland Conference (football), these numbers do not include basketball only conference members

The largest enrollment in the SWAC is 11,903
-Average- = 6,421
(Note: the average enrollment is smaller than the Southland smallest school?s enrollment with more football conference members)
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exas Southern 11,903
Southern 9,259
Jackson State 8,450
Prairie View A & M 8,080
Alabama State 6,024
Alabama A & M 6,000
Grambling State 4,300
Mississippi Valley State 3,767
Arkansas at Pine Bluff 3,232
Alcorn State 3,193


*Documentation from the Southland and SWAC 2006 Football Media Guide
 
There are only 4 institutions in the Southland (football) conference that have smaller enrollment numbers than the SWAC largest enrollment numbers.
 
Robber,

Excellent Point!!

Major095,

Often times the difference the athletic operating budget is a factor of school enrollment. I believe many of us assume that if a program is Division I Football Championship Subdivision (formerly I-AA) level that the schools are similar in enrollment size. One should also factor into the equations the economic disparity in the HBCU student body base and our regional PWC counterparts. Every HBCU in the SWAC has at least 59.6% of the undergraduate students qualifying for Federal Pell Grants in the 2004-05 academic year. Mississippi Valley State in fact has 98.7%. It would be difficult to ask this student body base to increase their tuition fees to support athletics.

For example the smallest enrollment in the Southland Conference is 6,504.
-Average- = 13,393
(Note: the average enrollment is larger than the SWAC largest school?s enrollment with fewer football conference members)
-
Texas State 27,171
Southeastern Louisiana 16,068
Sam Houston State 15,322
Central Arkansas 12,000
Stephen F. Austin 11,435
Northwestern State 9,847
McNeese State 8,800
Nicholls State 6,504

Southland Conference (football), these numbers do not include basketball only conference members

The largest enrollment in the SWAC is 11,903
-Average- = 6,421
(Note: the average enrollment is smaller than the Southland smallest school?s enrollment with more football conference members)
-
Texas Southern 11,903
Southern 9,259
Jackson State 8,450
Prairie View A & M 8,080
Alabama State 6,024
Alabama A & M 6,000
Grambling State 4,300
Mississippi Valley State 3,767
Arkansas at Pine Bluff 3,232
Alcorn State 3,193

*Documentation from the Southland and SWAC 2006 Football Media Guide

Excellent points yourself, Jafus. :nod: The students may have limited means while in college, but this need not be the case after they earn that degree! Besides, don't students get subsidized tickets to home games? Alums and community fans are the ones who carry the load.

Maybe we should give ourselves a pat on the back for doing a great job with such limited resources. :tup: Our average men's athletic recruiting budget in the SWAC, according to the "midmajor" web site, was just over $33,000 per year, and our average SWAC athletics budget is $3.5 million. This compares to an average athletics budget of $11,535,648 for the final four playoff teams (UMass, Montana, Youngstown St and Appalachian St).

Good job, SWAC! :nod:
 
I ain't gone lie. I've seen stats of enrollment of other I-AA schools that show that they have a much larger student body than we do, but when I think I-AA, I still think that these are small schools. Guess I'm just conditioned that way.
 
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