SWAC football is getting better


Is SWAC football getting better?

  • Yes, SWAC football has improved the last 5-10 years

    Votes: 12 26.7%

  • Not really, SWAC football is at about the same level

    Votes: 13 28.9%

  • No, SWAC football has gotten worse the last 5-10 years

    Votes: 20 44.4%
  • Total voters
    45
I bet if we had access to all the private forums, you would find members complaining in every one of them.
 
SWAC Football better? Hell NO. If the schools that have been carrying this conference(Southern, Grambling & Jackson) aren't at full strength and i mean full strength how can the SWAC be improved? When these 3 are on it, that makes the conference look good and strong. Many may get angry over it but that's the truth.
 



jsupop33 said:
Honestly, do you think the SWAC championship game this year, was a well-played ballgame between two defensive monsters?
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I didn't see ASU as a defensive monster but they did run into one. I didn't keep up with ASU after they played us and I thought they were on their way to a down season. TSU's offense has not caught up with its defense. But thats comparing current teams.

Throughout the entire season I saw a lot less mistakes and more solid ball in my opinion. In the past what I have seen is big play scoring on completely blow coverages and all other sorts of mistakes that made the SWAC look like kids playing at a park. A bunch of kids can put up a bunch of points against each other too. Two or three horrible plays and then a long bomb for a touchdown is still points on the board. This year maybe a team doesn't score as much but it wasn't mainly because of mistakes. I'd rather see low scoring games where solid offense had to work against solid defense rather than everything looking like an accident.

I didn't get that sand lot feel from watching hardly any of the games this season. Yes theres still room to grow but the games for the most part didn't look embarrassing.
 
theSWACdecider said:
SWAC Football better? Hell NO. If the schools that have been carrying this conference(Southern, Grambling & Jackson) aren't at full strength and i mean full strength how can the SWAC be improved? When these 3 are on it, that makes the conference look good and strong. Many may get angry over it but that's the truth.
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What makes the SWAC looks good is when the bottom of the conference is just as competitive as the top of the league. You can't tout conference strength when just the same three schools are dominating and everyone else is average to mediocre.

But to the question. I think the only way to determine that is to evaluate how well SWAC schools compete outside the conference against FCS foes or during FBS match ups. Examining that will lead to finding your answer.
 
kendrick said:
What makes the SWAC looks good is when the bottom of the conference is just as competitive as the top of the league. You can't tout conference strength when just the same three schools are dominating and everyone else is average to mediocre.

But to the question. I think the only way to determine that is to evaluate how well SWAC schools compete outside the conference against FCS foes or during FBS match ups. Examining that will lead to finding your answer.
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I was going to put this exact same thing.
 
For one there isn't stability in the conference as a whole. Coaches don't stay long enough to really build their teams. Many coaches does the quick fix thing and after that runs out they are ghost. It's like domino's in the SWAC and other conferences also but i think the conference as a whole needs some stability to get stronger.
 
usa today said:
For one there isn't stability in the conference as a whole. Coaches don't stay long enough to really build their teams. Many coaches does the quick fix thing and after that runs out they are ghost. It's like domino's in the SWAC and other conferences also but i think the conference as a whole needs some stability to get stronger.
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Cosign
 
theSWACdecider said:
SWAC Football better? Hell NO. If the schools that have been carrying this conference(Southern, Grambling & Jackson) aren't at full strength and i mean full strength how can the SWAC be improved? When these 3 are on it, that makes the conference look good and strong. Many may get angry over it but that's the truth.
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:lmao: When you think you have heard it all...... :lmao:
 
jsupop33 said:
You can blame it on youtube or whatever you want. There was a significant drop off in talent from 2000 on forward
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But this has happened all over Division 1-AA. We can't compare 1980 to now.

Do any of ya'll have anything good to say? :lol:
 
theSWACdecider said:
SWAC Football better? Hell NO. If the schools that have been carrying this conference(Southern, Grambling & Jackson) aren't at full strength and i mean full strength how can the SWAC be improved? When these 3 are on it, that makes the conference look good and strong. Many may get angry over it but that's the truth.
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It is the truth but gone are the days when only four of us gave out a decent amount of scholarships. Now, the talent that used to be a 3-4 schools is spread out over 10 schools. There was kid from my hometown who 10-15 years ago certainly would have gone to Alcorn but he instead went to NW State. The internet and more options have diluted everything so we need to accept that and move on.

Coaches don't stay in one place anywhere anymore so we can't use that excuse either.
 
Tigerpride said:
Coaches don't stay in one place anywhere anymore so we can't use that excuse either.
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Let some tell it, it's 1995 all over again and their coach should've stayed for 52+ years, like most did in the past. :tup: This is the most logical thing you've ever posted on this site, btw.

You may want to explain that to the Jimsters, Mr Crow. :D
 
sfallstar said:
As Jag94 so eloquently pointed out I beleieve the SWAC needs to focus more on discipline.. IN ALL MAJOR SPORTS.. this is a huge problem in hoops as well.

As far as OOC wins is concerned, I attribute these perrils to:
1. Poor Scheduling (For example people think a matchup w/ a D2 or lower is a good game to book, not realizing that the more "liberal" eligibility requirements allow team to sometimes stack-up on transfers & our guys run into a buzz saw). More scouting of talent/ rank should be done to help prevent this.
2. Discipline, as I mentioned before. (Some of these lesser talented teams we play are WAAY more disciplined than us, and tend to sometimes show up and pop us square in the mouth.)

Bruh, I started in the Southland, discipline is the greatest thing seperating our conference from theirs... well that and $$

As far as NFL prospectus... underexposure quite simply put is the biggest culprit here.

I think the recent parity in the SWAC has been a good thing for our conference, eventhough alot who have been on top for so long won't agree. (Let's take the Big XII for example, outside the downfall of Texas, they have a lot of teams have turned sum heads this season in a conference that has always been criticized of being too top heavy.) Alot of new teams cracked the top 25 or beat top 25 schools.

Overall I feel a little of both.. I wouldn't outrighly say worse though...
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I agree with most of what you said. I think a few schools have gotten more competitive but just because 1 or 2 schools improve doesn't mean that SWAC football is getting better. We are not putting out the type of quality that we use to. Like you said scheduling and discipline play a roll in it but I'd also have to say that recruiting and Coaching talent also plays major factors in it as well.
 
jsupop33 said:
Someone tell me how has SWAC football gotten better? Compared to what?
Middle School.
Since 2004, every SWAC champion we had has been suspect. That 2003 Southern squad was the last time the SWAC came close to producing a complete team.
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What about the 2005 Bruce Eugene led Offense and Jason Hatcher led defense!
 



Tigerpride said:
That defense sucked and the only thing you had on offense was Bruce but until you faced SU, that was enough. :lol:
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Until we faced SU? You don know we went undefeated in the SWAC in 2005? The only team that gave us competition that year was Bama State. smh
 
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When I see WRs sustaining blocks downfield...
When I see OL getting to the 2nd and even 3rd level downfield blocking...
When I see RBs sustaining blocks...
When I see OL that don't have that fat assed belly hanging over their britches...
When I see OL firing OFF the ball...
When I see QBs making some pretty damned good throws...
When I see QBs <b>audibiling</b> @ the LOS....
When I see multiple sets by offenses (one minute it's the spread and then can line up in an I-formation if not pro-set)...
When I see hella' catches by WRs and hardly no dropped balls or fumbles....
When I see TEs blocking well @ the point of attack....
When I see TEs blocking downfield....
When I see TEs catching what's thrown to them...
When I see <b>discipline</b> by offense (collectively)...
When I see offensive coaches making the right calls @ the right time...
When I see special teams play (particularly extra points) being made as a HABIT...
When I see special teams play (punters) that understand field position...
When I see special teams play (kickers/FGs) being made @ a pretty good clip...
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I could comment on defenses as well.

Yes, from top to bottom, the SWAC has done well. I haven't looked it yet but what was the SWAC's OOC record this fall? Where's Terror? He'll know it.
 
When I look at the SWAC this year, I dont see one Team that could play with new hampture, Delaware, Ga Southern or any of the Playoff teams. BCC and SCstate executed better then most of our teams (defense and Offense)including our 2 championship teams.
 
Panther88 said:
When I see WRs sustaining blocks downfield...
When I see OL getting to the 2nd and even 3rd level downfield blocking...
When I see RBs sustaining blocks...
When I see OL that don't have that fat assed belly hanging over their britches...
When I see OL firing OFF the ball...
When I see QBs making some pretty damned good throws...
When I see QBs <b>audibiling</b> @ the LOS....
When I see multiple sets by offenses (one minute it's the spread and then can line up in an I-formation if not pro-set)...
When I see hella' catches by WRs and hardly no dropped balls or fumbles....
When I see TEs blocking well @ the point of attack....
When I see TEs blocking downfield....
When I see TEs catching what's thrown to them...
When I see <b>discipline</b> by offense (collectively)...
When I see offensive coaches making the right calls @ the right time...
When I see special teams play (particularly extra points) being made as a HABIT...
When I see special teams play (punters) that understand field position...
When I see special teams play (kickers/FGs) being made @ a pretty good clip...
...
...
I could comment on defenses as well.

Yes, from top to bottom, the SWAC has done well. I haven't looked it yet but what was the SWAC's OOC record this fall? Where's Terror? He'll know it.
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Lol
I c/s this powerful post
the shat was horrible this year and has been since 2003 like JSUpop stated, the last good decent SWAC complete game with good talent was the 03 Bayou Classic IMO,
I think it comes down to a technical standpoint, we got coaches who are in position that IMO are not using all of the outlets that these bigger schools and other schools are using, such as Youtube'n and other outlets, I just can't see Pete R. staying up 2:00a.m watching Youtube clips of kids at a certain High Schools. outta state, and i doubt the staff that he had around did also, I just don't see these staff members around the conference doing and taking advantage of all of media outlets
putting on camps, I don't know when the last time S.U. put on a camp for football players, i mean i can only speak for my school and maybe i"m wrong they may have had a camp, but i just don't see it, it all starts with the youth, I hate to say it, but some of these ole pop coaches needs to be outta here and let the youth take over
 
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Look at the football coaching staff around the football program, and what folks don't understand is the youth that is around these programs.

you got young alumni or up and coming young cats who are on these coaching staffs out in the trenches looking at kids, on youtube, putting on camps and going into these homes to bring in talent.

the level of the conference wont change until the coaching staffs around the league changes their mindset catch up.
I don't necessarily for a fact know how and about they go out and get these kids, but it just feel that we are not recruiting on the level as some of these other conferences are

like a poster stated, a swac game is like a bush league, shat is terrible,
 
mayne you have to have youth on your coaching staff, everybody doesn't need to be 50 years plus, its ok to bring in a 33 year old Defensive CO, or a 35 year offensive OC. or at least have an under-study, somebody young who is going to go out and get these kids
I just feel a young coach has a much better grasp on the game NOW than an older coach would, No disrespect, but I feel I could out-coach Stump and that's shouldn't be the case or majority of the coaches in this league.
Get you some young assistants
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
this is what I would use to judge, are we getting kids to the next level.
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That is a very poor measuring stick. How many kids from ANY 1-AA programs go to the next level. And ONE good player does not make a team. UAPB was putting more in the NFL than any of us a few years ago but they still were getting beat by us.
 
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