MEAC Presidents Vote "No" to Legacy Bowl For Conference Champ


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Nonchalant said:
We all know Ammons is the first to b*tch. He was the first to b*tch when the MEAC-SWAC Challenge moved to Orlando and how the game would hurt the attendance of the Florida Classic. Guess who's playing in Orlando this fall for the MEAC-SWAC Challenge. :lol: Dr. Ammons has no power.
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BCC is and FAMU is not and will not. Note that at the time TKR changed her mind, she also committed to support the LB. I heard she flipped the script on Thomas and was the deciding vote. She is stable as water, but that was taken care of. Once again, Ammons may be all those things you ascribe to him, but stupid and or incompetent he is not. What is even more amazing is the "venom" you are spitting for schools in ANOTHER conference for acting in their own self interest. If you needed the MEAC that bad to alleviate some issue in the SWAC, maybe your issue is really with your own administration.
 
FAMU CLIFF said:
BCC is and FAMU is not and will not. Note that at the time TKR changed her mind, she also committed to support the LB. I heard she flipped the script on Thomas and was the deciding vote. She is stable as water, but that was taken care of. Once again, Ammons may be all those things you ascribe to him, but stupid and or incompetent he is not. What is even more amazing is the "venom" you are spitting for schools in ANOTHER conference for acting in their own self interest. If you needed the MEAC that bad to alleviate some issue in the SWAC, maybe your issue is really with your own administration.
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"You heard"? Dude, go sit down. I have no qualms with my conference. You're the one posting on a SWAC website. :lol: GTFOH.
 



Nonchalant said:
"You heard"? Dude, go sit down. I have no qualms with my conference. You're the one posting on a SWAC website. :lol: GTFOH.
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And you are the one crying about what the president of a school in another conference and the conference did for their schools. And I been posting on here since 99. But your last response shows the substance of your "points".
 
FAMU CLIFF said:
And you are the one crying about what the president of a school in another conference and the conference did for their schools. And I been posting on here since 99. But your last response shows the substance of your "points".
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Are you done, attention whore? :lol: I only care about facts. Don't come over to a SWAC website spewing misinformation and fabricated "I heards" anymore. I know more than you think I do.
 
You dont know ANYTHING as obvious about your posts and knowledge of how contracts are signed. Any college president and legal dept who signs off on a deal with limited knowledge of the financial impact should be excused from office for gross negligence. That is a fact. Anything after that is shoulda woulda coulda. Now you can go beg SU and GSU to move their game (which aint happening). We know who runs the SWAC. Now that is a FACT Jack. LOL
 
Storm96 said:
Dare I ask, but what is the SWAC's contingency plan now that the MEAC has backed out?
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Dare I ask why you feel the SWAC should have a contingency plan when this wasn't theirs, it was Disneys?

Is it because it sounded like something intelligent to say?
 
Dare I ask why you feel the SWAC should have a contingency plan when this wasn't theirs, it was Disneys?
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Well I'd like to think that most people would consider having a backup plan before entering into any potential business venture.

Is it because it sounded like something intelligent to say?
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Sorry bro....intelligent is what I am; not what I attempt to "sound" like. If you thought that was an attempt to sound intelligent, then that says alot more about you than me.

With that said; do you have any insight as to how the conference plans to proceed if the MEAC isn't interested in the Legacy Bowl?
 
BRAVEHEART123 said:
Hey Styles,

Did you know that Stump hid SU's ENTIRE 2011 Spring Training from Jaguar Nation? Is that the sign of a desparate coach or or what?

One more thing Styles...:lol:...your going to love this one:

Word around my way is that the Grambling Tiger Country is somewhat divided over the hiring of Doug Williams. We already know he loves 26 counter... :lmao:
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Dayum, you putting GSU's schytt out like that........Thanks for putting it out there
so they can change their schytt up. :shame:
 
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Storm96 said:
Well I'd like to think that most people would consider having a backup plan before entering into any potential business venture.

With that said; do you have any insight as to how the conference plans to proceed if the MEAC isn't interested in the Legacy Bowl?[/QUOTE]

Storm,

Like I stated earlier, until certain schools realize that they need the SWAC more than the SWAC needs them, and are willing to get on the same page with all SWAC institutions, we can then begin to move our conference forward. Until that happens...:smh:
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HORNETSWARM said:
Dayum, you putting GSU's schytt out like that........Thanks for putting it out there
so they can change their schytt up. :shame:
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Doug gave away saying he was going to run the pro-style offense. All even numbered plays go to the right of the center, odd number plays go to the left of the center. 80 protection means the OL pass block away from the hot route (meaning turn their back) whereas 90 pass protection means turning their back from the main hot route on the left side. It is when coaches implement specific schemes to fit their specific players that playbooks change.
 
TSUAlum05,

What's the positive of adding more Universities to the SWAC? I cannot see any other than for football - we'll still have to play in $$ games for football and basketball. It's will be an added expenditure for the non $$ sports while certain schools maybe able to bring in additional revenue from football depending where we expand too. We need to clean up some loose ends and it begins with the tourny championships before bringing other folks into the fold.
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Expansion of the conference allows them to entering into new markets. Every FCS conference has changed/expanded in the last five years except for the SWAC.
 
Jafus (Thinker) said:
TSUAlum05,



Expansion of the conference allows them to entering into new markets. Every FCS conference has changed/expanded in the last five years except for the SWAC.
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Jafus,

Which team or teams would think about joining our conference? What do we have that would entice schools to join? Don't say Tenn St. because they are not coming.
 
Storm96 said:
Well I'd like to think that most people would consider having a backup plan before entering into any potential business venture.

Why? This isn't ma and pa kettle opening up a family own business for the first time and was depending on confederate savings and loan for start up money.
Sorry bro....intelligent is what I am; not what I attempt to "sound" like. If you thought that was an attempt to sound intelligent, then that says alot more about you than me.

Not really, what it says is that you used the term in the wrong context. The SWAC was never planning anything, Disney was.

Your question should have been directed at Disney not the SWAC. But hey don't let me interupt your "Woe is us" tandrum.
With that said; do you have any insight as to how the conference plans to proceed if the MEAC isn't interested in the Legacy Bowl?
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Again why should they proceed any different than any of the other FCS schools who don't participate in bowls nor were they invited to?

Is it the end of the world?

I could understand all this whining if it was the Ivy League and a five million dollar purse was at stake and even than the SWAC wouldn't be at fault.


Last I heard the SWAC wasn't on the verge of collapsing or going bankrupt. As a matter of fact the SWAC is one of a very few that has never had to *cough* reorganize, all it ever did was expand.

Don't you guys ever get tired of the woe is the SWAC dogma?

I do

Besides why are you guys concern aren't you all leaving the SWAC?
 
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Ok Help me out on this. I've seen topic after topic about this and I really don't see the fuss! The conference made it a rule that no teams in the SWAC can go to the playoffs? If so change that and allow any team that wants to go! in the case of the 3 teams that have the big games late in the season if they are deemed to be champs send the next team to the playoffs if they qualify! I don't see what the big deal is about the playoffs anyway! If the MEAC don't want to participate in the Heritage Bowl, find another team that will! Hell Tuskegee pretty much won the SWAC anyway, them or any other CIAA or SIAC school could participate in the Heritage Bowl in place of the uppity MEAC! Most of those universities are located close to Atlanta and should draw well! If not scrap the entire idea of a black bowl game!
 



FAMU CLIFF said:
Who is "our" and where did you ask me any questions?
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I asked the following questions: "What did Bethune Cookman gain by getting blown out by 3-4 TD's on their home field?"

2nd question: "What did South Carolina State gain by getting beaten (once again) in the playoffs?"
 
JayRob said:
I asked the following questions: "What did Bethune Cookman gain by getting blown out by 3-4 TD's on their home field?"

2nd question: "What did South Carolina State gain by getting beaten (once again) in the playoffs?"
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I am not an alum or booster of either school. I can tell you that the first few years BJ went to the playoffs, he, his staff and players gained valuable experience on playing on a higher level of competition. I remember back when we played Western Illinois in Macomb, it was obvious they could not keep up with our speed and skill position players. And if you could believe it, the oline play was not as lopsided as it is now. Ken Riley, the previous coach had some good olines. One had guys like Jamie Nails and Wally Williams, both started a few years in the NFL. The difference was coaching, playcalling and execution. Those lessons turned into playoff victories. Jim Tressel outcoached Billy Joe in the semi-finals and that was the apex of the Joe playoff era. He lost several from his staff after that, then a few years later was the 1A move. To me, from having watched a few of our playoff games, the difference in being a decent FCS team to a playoff success is as big as being FBS midmajor to BCS conference team.

For BCU, I dont really have enough data points. New coach, new system, immediate success, now staff turnover. Jenkins is a good coach whom I am sure will take something from the experience. Signed a great recruiting class. SCSU - hhhhhmmmm. Buddy Pough as more data points than he needs. His teams are plenty talented to go far. He has coaching/staff/game day decision issues. But if he doesnt make changes, can you mess with his success. Plenty teams do worse than three conference titles and 3-4 playoff appearences in a row.

Plenty of teams don't go far in the playoffs and never reach a semi-final game. The question becomes what do you do with the lessons learned and are you committed to making the changes and/or investments to capitalize on those lessons. Hell, just in confernce, Taylor changed strength and conditioning coaches. We have probably had 3-4 different ones since we hired Ruben Carter. From all reports all have been better than the previous one and probably have cost more. BUT....SCSU has an excellent program and if you want to win, you have to make the investment.
 
BTW Jayrob....To me a GREAT example of learning from playoff loses is Appalachian State. We went up there and kicked their azz up into their shoulder blades and ran them up and down their field. They saw that, changed up their style and the rest is history. The ability to learn, adapt and thrive is based on the program. While I see some great BCF talent and some good teams, we need better programs.
 
Each bring different things to the table. NCCU is a founding member, historic rival to A&T, one of the larger HBCUs and has a law school. SSU facilitates splitting into North and South, stronger GA presence for the Atlanta market (indirectly) and S GA football talent (directly).
 
FAMU CLIFF said:
Each bring different things to the table. NCCU is a founding member, historic rival to A&T, one of the larger HBCUs and has a law school. SSU facilitates splitting into North and South, stronger GA presence for the Atlanta market (indirectly) and S GA football talent (directly).
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So they're going to copy the SWAC of East and West? Seems like the SWAC is the conference that is progressing in that particular area.
 
FAMU CLIFF said:
BTW Jayrob....To me a GREAT example of learning from playoff loses is Appalachian State. We went up there and kicked their azz up into their shoulder blades and ran them up and down their field. They saw that, changed up their style and the rest is history. The ability to learn, adapt and thrive is based on the program. While I see some great BCF talent and some good teams, we need better programs.
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You can learn from those teams by playing them in the regular season, so what's the difference? After all these years in the playoffs, the MEAC still struggles just about every year, yet I still see no vast improvement in talent or play on the field.

Pough goes undefeated in the MEAC year in and year out, but where are the victories to show that being in the playoffs is actually benefitting the MEAC?
 
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FAMU CLIFF said:
You dont know ANYTHING as obvious about your posts and knowledge of how contracts are signed. Any college president and legal dept who signs off on a deal with limited knowledge of the financial impact should be excused from office for gross negligence. That is a fact. Anything after that is shoulda woulda coulda. Now you can go beg SU and GSU to move their game (which aint happening). We know who runs the SWAC. Now that is a FACT Jack. LOL
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And why would Grambing and Southern move the Bayou Classic off of NBC Thanksgiving weekend for a million dollars apiece to play in the FCS Playoffs for $30,000, that will barley cover their expenses?
 
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