MEAC Presidents Vote "No" to Legacy Bowl For Conference Champ

[JayRob]

Where are you getting your information for your hateful rant? Below is a listing of schools MEAC teams will play in 2011. It is minus the teams for Delaware St and Howard, whose schedules have yet to be posted:

D-2 (4): Albany St, Central St, Ft. Valley St, and Virginial St.

SWAC (3): Alabama A&M, Praire View A&M, and Southern Univ.

FCS (10): Appalachin St, Central Michigan, Charleston Southern, Elon, Georgia St, Old Dominion, Princeton, Robert Morris, SE Louisiana, and Towson Univ.

FBS (6): Bowling Green, Indiana, Miami, Rutgers, South Florida, and West Virginia.

Dude, I was referring to quality FCS schools in the recent past before the nine game mandate? In addition to that, how many of those teams that you're going to list, did the MEAC defeat? How many victories over those FCS schools did participating in the playoffs help you win since you claim that participating in the playoffs is supposed to help your conference win more games?

 

[MsippiRattler]

Dude, I was referring to quality FCS schools in the recent past before the nine game mandate? In addition to that, how many of those teams that you're going to list, did the MEAC defeat? How many victories over those FCS schools did participating in the playoffs help you win since you claim that participating in the playoffs is supposed to help your conference win more games?

That may be what you were referring to, but you said this:

Originally Posted by JayRob
...Only one or two of the MEAC schools will have the opportunity to play those schools in the first place if you made the playoffs. What about the other eight schools who don't make it to the playoffs? How are they improving? That's it, they're not because they're scheduling cream puff D-2 SIAC and CIAA schools.
This tells me all I need to know, which is most of the MEAC schools talk a good game about the playoffs, but when it comes to scheduling those FCS schools in the regular season that are ranked, you guys run from them....

I posted the breakout of out-of-conference games as a refuttal of the above post. As for those schools scheduling of other FCS conferences, those conferences all have higher RPI's than the MEAC. It is in the human condition to want to be better than you are, and you get better by playing up to your capabilities and developing yourself to get better. Even a mule will be beaten for only so long before it eithers lays down (quit), or finds a way to kick your brains in!

 

[MsippiRattler]

Sep 4 we play Ft Valley (GA) St. As for the Southern game in the ATL, if the turnout is 60K and above, then the 100 BMA will probably offer contracts to FAMU/SU for as long as there is interest in the game.

 

[Nonchalant]

I posted the breakout of out-of-conference games as a refuttal of the above post. As for those schools scheduling of other FCS conferences, those conferences all have higher RPI's than the MEAC. It is in the human condition to want to be better than you are, and you get better by playing up to your capabilities and developing yourself to get better. Even a mule will be beaten for only so long before it eithers lays down (quit), or finds a way to kick your brains in!

Given that rationale, why hasn't FAMU won an out-right MEAC title or been to the playoffs since Clinton was in office? :noidea:

 

[MsippiRattler]

Central Michigan (MAC Conference) is FBS.

How many of those FCS teams are playing FAMU, SCSU or BCU?

The only one of the FCS listed that is playing FAMU, SCSU, or BCU is GA St at SCSU. But SCSU is also playing Indiana and Central Michigan, BCU is playing UMiami, and FAMU is playing South Florida. I wish I had a magic wand and was able to schedule Jacksonville St, GA Southern, and GA St to a series of home/home immediately. And the reason for those three schools is that they are recognizable in the region, and should peak enough hometown interest to fill up Bragg stadium. But alas, it will always come down to availiability of scheduling. Other MEAC schools have been more successful at this because of proximity. But I see some great games being scheduled in the near future now that we have the seven game mandate.

 

[Nonchalant]

Sep 4 we play Ft Valley (GA) St. As for the Southern game in the ATL, if the turnout is 60K and above, then the 100 BMA will probably offer contracts to FAMU/SU for as long as there is interest in the game.

If that happens, what will happen to the current home-and-home contract between Southern and FAMU?

 

[MsippiRattler]

Given that rationale, why hasn't FAMU won an out-right MEAC title or been to the playoffs since Clinton was in office? :noidea:

There was the chaos after the failed attempt to move to FBS: self-imposed sanctions after we self-reported to the NCAA; firing of the Athletic Office; bad coaching from '05-'08. But new coach in '09 and conference co-champs in 2010. Plus we just hired some new assistant coaches and a new AD from the SEC. Things are definitely looking up and we are poised to for the program to take off.

 

[JayRob]

The only one of the FCS listed that is playing FAMU, SCSU, or BCU is GA St at SCSU. But SCSU is also playing Indiana and Central Michigan, BCU is playing UMiami, and FAMU is playing South Florida. I wish I had a magic wand and was able to schedule Jacksonville St, GA Southern, and GA St to a series of home/home immediately. And the reason for those three schools is that they are recognizable in the region, and should peak enough hometown interest to fill up Bragg stadium. But alas, it will always come down to availiability of scheduling. Other MEAC schools have been more successful at this because of proximity. But I see some great games being scheduled in the near future now that we have the seven game mandate.

That's good to hear. I wish like hell the SWAC would go back to the seven game mandate or at least an 8 game mandate. This nine game mandate is not good for the conference as a whole.

 

[JayRob]

There was the chaos after the failed attempt to move to FBS: self-imposed sanctions after we self-reported to the NCAA; firing of the Athletic Office; bad coaching from '05-'08. But new coach in '09 and conference co-champs in 2010. Plus we just hired some new assistant coaches and a new AD from the SEC. Things are definitely looking up and we are poised to for the program to take off.

That's good to hear. Time will tell. The MEAC don't seem to be the same if FAMU's not in the mix for the conference championship.

 

[mighty hornet]

Where are you getting your information for your hateful rant? Below is a listing of schools MEAC teams will play in 2011. It is minus the teams for Delaware St and Howard, whose schedules have yet to be posted:

D-2 (4): Albany St, Central St, Ft. Valley St, and Virginial St.

SWAC (3): Alabama A&M, Praire View A&M, and Southern Univ.

FCS (10): Appalachin St, Central Michigan, Charleston Southern, Elon, Georgia St, Old Dominion, Princeton, Robert Morris, SE Louisiana, and Towson Univ.

FBS (6): Bowling Green, Indiana, Miami, Rutgers, South Florida, and West Virginia.

You can add at least 1 more FBS school. Howard is playing Eastern Michigan.

 

[jstate83]

LoL. So, all should expect a MEAC victory for the first time in over a decade out of round #1. :emlaugh:

Okay, we shall see now won't we. :|

Nope.
They just decided not to curl up in a FCS FETAL POSITION like our conference leaders decided to do.

 

[jstate83]

Some folks just don't understand. Neither of those games are stopping any of the other schools from trying to get a bid to go into the playoffs. It's the SCG that's the culprit.




The Swac has never had a auto bid so waiting for a at large is all there is. If there was no SCG all your team has to do is win. If it's down to those teams that play that weekend than your team didn't do enough winning to get there so it should be no problem.

All you got to do is win........

The BC or Turkey day Classic didn't stop us from going BUT the reason the SWAC never received an AUTO-BID like the MEAC has is because of the BC and Turkey day Classic being played after the bids go out. When the SCG came on the scene, that was the death nail for a SWAC team going toi the playoffs.

 

[jstate83]

To sit on our thumbs and continue to do what has not been working for the past 15-20+ years.

People been happy doing that. :lol:

 

[usa today]

If alumni gave to their institutions like they should do. There would be no need for the Legacy Bowl nor SWAC Championship Football Game. It's all about money. The Big Successful programs alumni give back and that's why their programs are successful because they can get everything they need to be successful. The MEAC can dream all they want to but they will still get that azz kicked in the playoffs because they don't have the budget, nor the talent to compete with the big boys. Just plain and simple. I actually think most in the SWAC people would love to see their teams in the playoffs winning and not getting skull drug on tv. For you to think otherwise is insane because the big picture is "Money". Neither the MEAC nor the SWAC has the money to compete. Truth is Truth. Real is Real and Fact is Fact.

 

[MsippiRattler]

If alumni gave to their institutions like they should do. There would be no need for the Legacy Bowl nor SWAC Championship Football Game. It's all about money. The Big Successful programs alumni give back and that's why their programs are successful because they can get everything they need to be successful. The MEAC can dream all they want to but they will still get that azz kicked in the playoffs because they don't have the budget, nor the talent to compete with the big boys. Just plain and simple. I actually think most in the SWAC people would love to see their teams in the playoffs winning and not getting skull drug on tv. For you to think otherwise is insane because the big picture is "Money". Neither the MEAC nor the SWAC has the money to compete. Truth is Truth. Real is Real and Fact is Fact.

I don't buy the arguement that money is a guarantor of success. If that were true, then the NY Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys would be in, and win, the World Series and the Super Bowl every year. Below is a list of select schools in select FCS conferences and the amount of money spent on athletics in 2009/2010. As you can see, most schools are in the same median range:

Southland
Central Arkansas $8,053,259
Stephen F. Austin $12,148,016
Nicholls St $6,248,794
Northwestern St $8,659,704
Southeastern Louisiana $7,502,340

SWAC
Prairie View $6,924,761
Texas Southern $8,843,403
Grambling $5,464,614
Southern $8,491,442
Jackson St $5,674,633
Alabama A&M $6,533,933
Alabama St $8,347,859

Ohio Valley
Jacksonville St $10,426,748
Austin Peay $7,446,640
Tenn St $9,607,967
UT-Martin $5,652,464
Eastern Kentucky $11,689,123
Murray St $7,846,128

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman $10,627,591
FAMU $9,895,077
S. Carolina St $8,921,799
N. Carolina A&T $7,785,900
Norfolk St $8,039,280
Delaware St $12,358,652

SOUTHERN CONFERENCE
GA Southern $9,133,492
Wofford $7,072,260
Appalachian St $14,627,396
Elon $16,234,632
Western Carolina $8,485,435

BIG SOUTH
Gardner-Webb $11,093,619
Charleston Southern $7,794,506
Coastal Carolina $15,649,457
Virginia Military Inst $9,834,032

So money is not the sole reason for an inability to be competitive and successful in FCS.

 

[Nonchalant]

I wonder how Bethune-Cookman and Delaware State have been able to garner such a large amount of money. :noidea:

 

[MightyDog]

It is called the MEAC expanded and limited our OOC games. With the few we have we are trying to maximize revenue and play the teams our fans want. The 9 game mandate in the SWAC initially hurt us playing teams in the SWAC and MEAC expansion finished it off. We have contracts with SU and ASU that are incomplete due to MEAC expansion.

This is the main reason for the 9 game mandated schdule.

BTW, how many fans do you all average in the nonconference games. In addition, what do you pay for tickets?

 

[Herbert77060]

Psssst...pssst....coaching...recruiting...coaching

I don't buy the arguement that money is a guarantor of success. If that were true, then the NY Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys would be in, and win, the World Series and the Super Bowl every year. Below is a list of select schools in select FCS conferences and the amount of money spent on athletics in 2009/2010. As you can see, most schools are in the same median range:

Southland
Central Arkansas $8,053,259
Stephen F. Austin $12,148,016
Nicholls St $6,248,794
Northwestern St $8,659,704
Southeastern Louisiana $7,502,340

SWAC
Prairie View $6,924,761
Texas Southern $8,843,403
Grambling $5,464,614
Southern $8,491,442
Jackson St $5,674,633
Alabama A&M $6,533,933
Alabama St $8,347,859

Ohio Valley
Jacksonville St $10,426,748
Austin Peay $7,446,640
Tenn St $9,607,967
UT-Martin $5,652,464
Eastern Kentucky $11,689,123
Murray St $7,846,128

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman $10,627,591
FAMU $9,895,077
S. Carolina St $8,921,799
N. Carolina A&T $7,785,900
Norfolk St $8,039,280
Delaware St $12,358,652

SOUTHERN CONFERENCE
GA Southern $9,133,492
Wofford $7,072,260
Appalachian St $14,627,396
Elon $16,234,632
Western Carolina $8,485,435

BIG SOUTH
Gardner-Webb $11,093,619
Charleston Southern $7,794,506
Coastal Carolina $15,649,457
Virginia Military Inst $9,834,032

So money is not the sole reason for an inability to be competitive and successful in FCS.

 

[TexasTerror]

Southland
Central Arkansas $8,053,259
Stephen F. Austin $12,148,016
Nicholls St $6,248,794
Northwestern St $8,659,704
Southeastern Louisiana $7,502,340

Would of been best to utilize budgets of the top teams in the SLC. The schools in Texas with football all have budgets above or rapidly approaching $10-12M. This in light of student fee changes in the last 2-3 years. The schools in the Louisiana portion of the SLC have smaller budgets now than back then with Nicholls operating closer to $5M, of which about $2.8M comes from institutional support.

Also, is Southern's budget still that high? Thought it was in the $5-6M range now that practically all institutional support is gone.

 

[BRAVEHEART123]

You know when you think about it...:lol:...

TN State is going to have an internal incentive to beat SU as bad as they can due to the Atlanta Classic. TN State might try to run up the scoreboard on SU come September.

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

I wonder how Bethune-Cookman and Delaware State have been able to garner such a large amount of money. :noidea:

BCU is a private school with higher tuition and DSU is a school with a nominal in-state recruiting base. Also, the old DSU president was about using athletics as a vehicle to help name recognition and branding.

 

[FAMU CLIFF]

This is the main reason for the 9 game mandated schdule.

BTW, how many fans do you all average in the nonconference games. In addition, what do you pay for tickets?

Not really sure about the non-conference game. Most seasons now, we only play one on a campus due to the AFC taking 1 of the 2 slots and some seasons, we may not have one home non-con game depending on circumstance. Our tickets are $20 and above (I think). I have a season ticket package that I buy and give to my roomate from school and best friend. I may attend a game on campus every other year. I then buy AFC and FC tickets seperately, which run $40-$50. When it is all said and done, tickets will run $750-$1,000 for me depending on how many folks roll with me to the classics.

 

[Nonchalant]

BCU is a private school with higher tuition and DSU is a school with a nominal in-state recruiting base. Also, the old DSU president was about using athletics as a vehicle to help name recognition and branding.

1. How does BCU differentiate itself from the other MEAC private schools like Howard and Hampton when it comes to having a massive budget like that?

2. How has DSU's president "using athletics as a vehicle to help name recognition and branding" raised that amount of money for their athletic department?

 

[JayRob]

I don't buy the arguement that money is a guarantor of success. If that were true, then the NY Yankees and the Dallas Cowboys would be in, and win, the World Series and the Super Bowl every year. Below is a list of select schools in select FCS conferences and the amount of money spent on athletics in 2009/2010. As you can see, most schools are in the same median range:

SWAC
Prairie View $6,924,761
Texas Southern $8,843,403
Grambling $5,464,614
Southern $8,491,442
Jackson St $5,674,633
Alabama A&M $6,533,933
Alabama St $8,347,859

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman $10,627,591
FAMU $9,895,077
S. Carolina St $8,921,799
N. Carolina A&T $7,785,900
Norfolk St $8,039,280
Delaware St $12,358,652

So money is not the sole reason for an inability to be competitive and successful in FCS.

If these numbers are correct, how in hades is Mighty JSU so successful with it's athletic program when it has one of the lowest budgets amongst HBCU schools? Perhaps some of your schools need to follow our example of accountability.:tup:

 

[MsippiRattler]

Would of been best to utilize budgets of the top teams in the SLC. The schools in Texas with football all have budgets above or rapidly approaching $10-12M. This in light of student fee changes in the last 2-3 years. The schools in the Louisiana portion of the SLC have smaller budgets now than back then with Nicholls operating closer to $5M, of which about $2.8M comes from institutional support.

Also, is Southern's budget still that high? Thought it was in the $5-6M range now that practically all institutional support is gone.

Texas Terror, I only used the above figures as a comparison to refute the arguement that the SWAC and MEAC can't compete with the rest of FCS because of money. I left out some teams with really high budgets and some with really low budgets. And remember these are the numbers reported for the 2009/2010 school years.