William & Mary to name Mike London new head coach


jag4life said:
HBCUs have never been exclusive based on race. Grambling had a white player long before Alabama and most of the SEC had a black player.
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Plenty of players have played at HBCUs but the discussion is NOT on players but on our fear of hiring white head coaches. Despite most of our campuses having white employees in other roles. Despite sometimes a white coach being the best available selection...

Which HBCU will offer one of the HCs of a top 5 ranked D2 program? Or a guy like Will Hall? Or somebody like Kennesaw States OC? KSU
 
Basebone1898 said:
I know there are some stories, but that’s a very small list my brother. Think about the number of FBS programs that are out here. Thank about how many black kids are busting their tails and puttin in work vs the percentage of black coaches. How many black coaches have each of them had? Many of those situations were “we are desperate/we have nothing to lose” hires. Besides Stanford’s second black hire, and Florida States’s first, many of those positions where “desperate to win” or “the equal right hand is on our campus this week” hire.
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You're comparing apples to oranges and getting off course. What does Jackson State or NCCU have to lose by hiring the most qualified HC that just so happens to not be black?
 



2kool said:
Plenty of players have played at HBCUs but the discussion is NOT on players but on our fear of hiring white head coaches. Despite most of our campuses having white employees in other roles. Despite sometimes a white coach being the best available selection...

Which HBCU will offer one of the HCs of a top 5 ranked D2 program? Or a guy like Will Hall? Or somebody like Kennesaw States OC? KSU
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The apprehension in HBCUs hiring white coaches maybe lies in the notion that black coaches historically have had fewer opportunities to position themselves to be head coaches (anywhere else but HBCUs) as opposed to white coaches. Only 11 percent of current head coaches at the FBS level are black, for example.
 
Kendrick said:
The apprehension in HBCUs hiring white coaches maybe lies in the notion that black coaches historically have had fewer opportunities to position themselves to be head coaches (anywhere else but HBCUs) as opposed to white coaches. Only 11 percent of current head coaches at the FBS level are black, for example.
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Plus these white coaches have to WANT to be at a HBCU. How many of these hot young white coordinators have applied for our jobs when they became open. It's easy to say that we are scared to hire white coaches but they have to want to be at our schools. I can admit to apprehension about Valley but they should be beating down the door to get at JSU YET I can guarantee you they won't. That's why we either have recycled coaches or have to take the chance on someone from another school's staff
 
In_The_662 said:
Plus these white coaches have to WANT to be at a HBCU. How many of these hot young white coordinators have applied for our jobs when they became open. It's easy to say that we are scared to hire white coaches but they have to want to be at our schools. I can admit to apprehension about Valley but they should be beating down the door to get at JSU YET I can guarantee you they won't. That's why we either have recycled coaches or have to take the chance on someone from another school's staff
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Now you know just as well as I that waiting on applicants without any headhunting is not how most jobs get filled these days. Its also how you end up with poor candidate pool.

Nothing is stopping an AD from picking up the phone and making a pitch to who he thinks would make a good fit. If they apply, good. If not, call your #2 then #3 picks.
 
Kendrick said:
The apprehension in HBCUs hiring white coaches maybe lies in the notion that black coaches historically have had fewer opportunities to position themselves to be head coaches (anywhere else but HBCUs) as opposed to white coaches. Only 11 percent of current head coaches at the FBS level are black, for example.
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Why should that even matter to an administration that needs to get their program on the right track? You're not permanently shutting down black hires in the future...
 
Jerry Glanville applied for the AAMU head coach before. Didn't even get a interview. Could you imagine the contacts he could have gotten for us...... Even if he only stayed three years it would have changed our program....
 
In_The_662 said:
Plus these white coaches have to WANT to be at a HBCU. How many of these hot young white coordinators have applied for our jobs when they became open. It's easy to say that we are scared to hire white coaches but they have to want to be at our schools. I can admit to apprehension about Valley but they should be beating down the door to get at JSU YET I can guarantee you they won't. That's why we either have recycled coaches or have to take the chance on someone from another school's staff
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Not that many apply like you think except ones who need a job
 
2kool said:
You're comparing apples to oranges and getting off course. What does Jackson State or NCCU have to lose by hiring the most qualified HC that just so happens to not be black?
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They have nothing to lose my brother. All I am saying is that we can’t look at this like the PWI powers that be are giving us opportunities because they aren’t. There is not enough black head coaches in the FBS or outside HBCU conferences in the FCS. The number is horrible. When we start seeing more black coaches in the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12 and ACC along with the top FCS conferences, then one could push the issues of more white coaches in the our conferences. The JSU position is one more open opportunity for a black man to be a head coach and take his place among the limited African American coaches in the division I ranks. It’s just the way it is. I don’t have a problem with hiring white coaches in the SWAC or MEAC, but I do feel that we should handle the hiring process like PWI’s handle us. Desperate times or when everyone else fails.

(This is coming from someone who thought Valley should bring in Buddy Stephens.)
 
CEE DOG said:
Jerry Glanville applied for the AAMU head coach before. Didn't even get a interview. Could you imagine the contacts he could have gotten for us...... Even if he only stayed three years it would have changed our program....
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Glanville may have had contacts but he couldn't coach a hooker to a street corner. This is the same dude that thought Brett Favre wouldnt amount to anything in Atlanta lol
 
Basebone1898 said:
They have nothing to lose my brother. All I am saying is that we can’t look at this like the PWI powers that be are giving us opportunities because they aren’t. There is not enough black head coaches in the FBS or outside HBCU conferences in the FCS. The number is horrible. When we start seeing more black coaches in the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12 and ACC along with the top FCS conferences, then one could push the issues of more white coaches in the our conferences.
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Bro, every major conference has had or current has a black head coach. Yes there could be more, but this ain't the 1980s anymore my brother. We aren't just coffee fetchers and recruit bait. The SEC has had 3 schools with black head coaches. Two at very conservative schools (Texas A&M and Mississippi State).

Come to think of it, there have also been strides made at coordinator positions. Alabama currently has a black OC, Georgia has a black DC. And to your point about FCS... Mike London is now on his 2nd FCS PWI and has an FCS national title.

Hell, Auburn is one of THE most right wing universities in the south (less than 7% black with most black students shoved off to the Montgomery satellite campus) and they just hired a black AD!!

As sad as it is to say, we are the ones that have some catching up to do.
 
2kool said:
As sad as it is to say, we are the ones that have some catching up to do.
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As much criticism as DI schools get for lack of diversity in coaching and other positions of leadership, you think HBCUs need to catch up? Seriously?
 
2kool said:
Bro, every major conference has had or current has a black head coach. Yes there could be more, but this ain't the 1980s anymore my brother. We aren't just coffee fetchers and recruit bait. The SEC has had 3 schools with black head coaches. Two at very conservative schools (Texas A&M and Mississippi State).

Come to think of it, there have also been strides made at coordinator positions. Alabama currently has a black OC, Georgia has a black DC. And to your point about FCS... Mike London is now on his 2nd FCS PWI and has an FCS national title.

Hell, Auburn is one of THE most right wing universities in the south (less than 7% black with most black students shoved off to the Montgomery satellite campus) and they just hired a black AD!!

As sad as it is to say, we are the ones that have some catching up to do.
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2Kool,,,,,my brutha! You sound like a white person who is saying they aren’t racist because they have a black friend and a black cook.

Do you want us to clap for Auburn? Ok.


Those numbers are way too low. When we start seeing more black coaches in the FBS ranks, FCS ranks, and more than 40% of AD’s looking like us, then I will agree that the SWAC and MEAC needs to catch up with the world. Until then, we need to make sure that we stand by and stand up for our brothers and sisters with bachelor and master degrees in sports administration and sports management for AD positions. We need to make sure we have HC positions available for qualified African Americans.
 



2kool said:
Thats not true. These schools have or had black head coaches...

Texas A&M
STANFORD
Vanderbilt
Penn State
Oregon
Florida State
Syracuse
Illinois
Arizona State


Come on @Basebone1898 you know thats false.
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We just have to take advantage of the opportunities. I'm a big fan of Coach Shaw at Stanford. Because, he is still winning after Harbaugh left the school. But, Stanford has always been colorblind with football coaches.

Dennis Green
Tyrone Willingham
David Shaw.
 
Kendrick said:
As much criticism as DI schools get for lack of diversity in coaching and other positions of leadership, you think HBCUs need to catch up? Seriously?
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All I'm saying is black HCs at PWIs (while not as high as it SHOULD be) is more of a non issue than the opposite with HBCUs. We still have folks saying "our jobs should be for black men only" when thats not the case across the rest of the country with white men.

Do some qualified and quality black HCs get passed up at PWIs? You better believe it. But not nearly as much as in the past.

Do you think Stanford folks are worried about David Shaw being black? I doubt it was an issue at Vanderbilt with Derek Mason.

We as a people need to be focused on improving our schools and programs first and foremost. Just my opinion. If that means the best hire is a brother, so be it. If it means its not, so be it.
 
2kool said:
All I'm saying is black HCs at PWIs (while not as high as it SHOULD be) is more of a non issue than the opposite with HBCUs. We still have folks saying "our jobs should be for black men only" when thats not the case across the rest of the country with white men.

Do some qualified and quality black HCs get passed up at PWIs? You better believe it. But not nearly as much as in the past.

Do you think Stanford folks are worried about David Shaw being black? I doubt it was an issue at Vanderbilt with Derek Mason.

We as a people need to be focused on improving our schools and programs first and foremost. Just my opinion. If that means the best hire is a brother, so be it. If it means its not, so be it.
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Mane you on this All Lives Matrer kick right now.
 
Mrwiregrass said:
We just have to take advantage of the opportunities. I'm a big fan of Coach Shaw at Stanford. Because, he is still winning after Harbaugh left the school. But, Stanford has always been colorblind with football coaches.

Dennis Green
Tyrone Willingham
David Shaw.
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But they have to fit an image still
 
Kendrick said:
The right way is the white way.
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I think it's more like the hiring the best coach available no matter what he looks like way rather than limiting yourself to only black coaches way. That's his whole point, not sure why that's being disputed. Stuff like this is why the PWC schools will always have an advantage. They can go after the best of the best, be it black or white when it comes to players OR coaches.
 
unknown1 said:
I think it's more like the hiring the best coach available no matter what he looks like way rather than limiting yourself to only black coaches way. That's his whole point, not sure why that's being disputed. Stuff like this is why the PWC schools will always have an advantage. They can go after the best of the best, be it black or white when it comes to players OR coaches.
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Its really that simple
 
unknown1 said:
I think it's more like the hiring the best coach available no matter what he looks like way rather than limiting yourself to only black coaches way. That's his whole point, not sure why that's being disputed. Stuff like this is why the PWC schools will always have an advantage. They can go after the best of the best, be it black or white when it comes to players OR coaches.
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It’s one thing to desire programs hire the best, but the whole premise of the discussion is desiring to give consideration to someone simply because they’re white on the belief that would enhance success.
 
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