Why hasnt willie totten been fired yet?


They need to take AAMU PV and TxSU with them

True. And possible Bama St. I'm sure Tuskegee wouldnt mind playing and beating them every year.....errrrrr.......wait. They do that now.

And their weight room conditions with holes in the floor and football coaches offices are very D2ish.
 
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I disagree, PV is right on Houstons doorstep, so a vast pool of local talent was right there to get. PV was just trifling and didn't care. Valley got real issues way beyond their coach.

BTW, in the last 10 years, Totten ain't the only dumb coach in the SWAC by far.

If they only have a half funded department, they probably can't afford to pay for decent coaches. But even if they were to spend money on a good coach, they STILL will need money for 20 more scholarships. Their funding is certainly at the D2 level.
 



True. And possible Bama St. I'm sure Tuskegee wouldnt mind playing and beating them every year.....errrrrr.......wait. They do that now.

And their weight room conditions with holes in the floor and football coaches offices are very D2ish.

yep
 
All of you JSU people who feel that Valley should drop down to D2. Tell me, why you shouldn't follow suit. I mean, what have you done lately? Sure, you beat MV in football, but in recent history that has alot to do with Totten's lack of understanding of the game. On the other hand, Valley is very competitive in all other sports. We bust your a$@ on the regular. With that being said, Valley goes D2 right after you slum h%e*. Your comments are some of the reasons why the majority of people on this board have a bad taste for J-state. You always gotta put yo worthless two cents in everybody's business.
 
All of you JSU people who feel that Valley should drop down to D2. Tell me, why you shouldn't follow suit. I mean, what have you done lately? Sure, you beat MV in football, but in recent history that has alot to do with Totten's lack of understanding of the game. On the other hand, Valley is very competitive in all other sports. We bust your a$@ on the regular. With that being said, Valley goes D2 right after you slum h%e*. Your comments are some of the reasons why the majority of people on this board have a bad taste for J-state. You always gotta put yo worthless two cents in everybody's business.

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All of you JSU people who feel that Valley should drop down to D2. Tell me, why you shouldn't follow suit. I mean, what have you done lately?

:confused: Well VStater, they say a pic is worth a 1000 words. This is what we have done lately.

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Right along with winning a Basketball Championship and several other sports championships with several Commish Cups.
 
J-Staters go and play with yourselves in private. A damn :shame:.

But they all round up in the Wafia forum when one person smacks them in the SMACK forum and want to act like SMACK isn't meant to be in the SMACK forum... A bunch of batches.... The people I kick it with from JSU ain't nothing like these cheerleaders and hip twister dude and bunch of "I think I know it alls"...
:shame::shame:
 
Someone asked a question and people responded. :noidea: I believe Valley should remain in the SWAC and FCS. I understand the D2 argument. There are fewer recruiting obstacles in D2. But Valley has been competitive in baseball and basketball. As for Totten, he isn't that bad. Valley's budget is just too small. But I must admit Larry Dorsey and Archie Cooley were better. Dorsey was great at getting the best out of little talent. I always wondered what he could do with a larger budget. Valley shouldn't have fired him. Valley needs a coach like Dorsey.

:topic: Any comparison to PV is really unfair. PV has a larger budget and a better location for recruiting.
 
Some suggestions (IF I was AD):

Grambling/Southern (when my home game in altenate years) would be played in Memphis.

Jackson State game would be played in Jackson, Ms annually

All other SWAC games would be home and home...

non-conference opponents would be Delta State and Arkansas Monticello.
 
:confused: Well VStater, they say a pic is worth a 1000 words. This is what we have done lately.

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Right along with winning a Basketball Championship and several other sports championships with several Commish Cups.

I guess all of those 2nd place finishes do add up huh. Continue being the biggest loser as that's what 2nd place really is.
 
Ok, here we go................First of all I already knew what TP was going to say before I clicked on the thread, so I automatically omitted every post I saw with his name on it. Anyway, back to the thread. I think as alot of you on here know that I am really not one of Totten's biggest fans, so this is how I see it.

Totten simply put is just not a head coach. I will give him credit before I go in on him, he has brought some good talent to Valley, and most of the time he motivates the team to play. With that being said, I question his coaching skills because of the talent that he's brought in, if you look at them, the players always seem to stagnate or not reach their potential. (This post may get a bit long, but bear with me) The perfect person to illustrate this point for me is Aries Nelson. Coming out of high school (Totten was his head coach), Nelson was a Dandy Dozen player. Nelson went up to State and got in the doghouse and ended up transferring to Valley. He comes in and is the starter maybe a week and a half before the first game. He has a decent year. The next year he comes out with the help of Tyrone Timmons, Shang Moore, and Clarence Cotton he leads Valley to their first winning season in years. Going into his senior year he is named SWAC Preseason Offensive Player of the Year. Keep in mind, he still has his whole receiving corps intact, including his favorite target Tyrone Timmons. Nelson proceeds to go out and have the worst season of his career at Valley. The point i'm making is from the time Nelson stepped on the field as a sophomore until he finished as a senior, there was no NOTICEABLE progression in his play. At some point with YOU being a star quarterback yourself, doesn't it seem logical that you could coach your quarterbacks up?

I further contend that Totten is not a HEAD COACH, because he is a HORRIBLE tactician(X's and O's). 3 games really point this theory out.

1. 2008 MVSU vs. JSU This game summarizes Totten's whole career in one game. Instead of him making the sound football decision and running the ball to get it into the center of the field to setup for a game-winning field goal, he decides to take a risk and throw the ball yet again, and we know what happened next.

2. 2008 MVSU vs. Bama St This game had to be one of the most embarrassing displays I have ever seen. Keep in mind this is your only time appearing on tv that year (ESPNU), and you decide to start a true freshman quarterback that looks like he has no concept of the offense. If that doesn't make it bad enough, you continue to run him out there when you have more experienced quarterbacks just sitting on the sidelines. It got so bad to where the announcers asked if Valley was a high school team!

3. 2005 MVSU vs. Alcorn (Charlie Spiller Show) This game opens up with you kicking the opening kickoff to him and he proceeds to run it all the way back for a touchdown. Some may look at the defensive coordinator, but the head coach overrides everyone, and we CONTINUALLY decide to single-cover Charlie Spiller all game, and he goes on to single-handedly beat us by himself, racking up over 200+ all-purpose yards on us. Keep in mind this was the year that Nate Hughes got hurt, and Arceneaux wasn't a big threat then, so you already know who Alcorn's go-to-guy is.


*getting off my soapbox*
 
Ok, here we go................First of all I already knew what TP was going to say before I clicked on the thread, so I automatically omitted every post I saw with his name on it. Anyway, back to the thread. I think as alot of you on here know that I am really not one of Totten's biggest fans, so this is how I see it.

Totten simply put is just not a head coach. I will give him credit before I go in on him, he has brought some good talent to Valley, and most of the time he motivates the team to play. With that being said, I question his coaching skills because of the talent that he's brought in, if you look at them, the players always seem to stagnate or not reach their potential. (This post may get a bit long, but bear with me) The perfect person to illustrate this point for me is Aries Nelson. Coming out of high school (Totten was his head coach), Nelson was a Dandy Dozen player. Nelson went up to State and got in the doghouse and ended up transferring to Valley. He comes in and is the starter maybe a week and a half before the first game. He has a decent year. The next year he comes out with the help of Tyrone Timmons, Shang Moore, and Clarence Cotton he leads Valley to their first winning season in years. Going into his senior year he is named SWAC Preseason Offensive Player of the Year. Keep in mind, he still has his whole receiving corps intact, including his favorite target Tyrone Timmons. Nelson proceeds to go out and have the worst season of his career at Valley. The point i'm making is from the time Nelson stepped on the field as a sophomore until he finished as a senior, there was no NOTICEABLE progression in his play. At some point with YOU being a star quarterback yourself, doesn't it seem logical that you could coach your quarterbacks up?

I further contend that Totten is not a HEAD COACH, because he is a HORRIBLE tactician(X's and O's). 3 games really point this theory out.

1. 2008 MVSU vs. JSU This game summarizes Totten's whole career in one game. Instead of him making the sound football decision and running the ball to get it into the center of the field to setup for a game-winning field goal, he decides to take a risk and throw the ball yet again, and we know what happened next.

2. 2008 MVSU vs. Bama St This game had to be one of the most embarrassing displays I have ever seen. Keep in mind this is your only time appearing on tv that year (ESPNU), and you decide to start a true freshman quarterback that looks like he has no concept of the offense. If that doesn't make it bad enough, you continue to run him out there when you have more experienced quarterbacks just sitting on the sidelines. It got so bad to where the announcers asked if Valley was a high school team!

3. 2005 MVSU vs. Alcorn (Charlie Spiller Show) This game opens up with you kicking the opening kickoff to him and he proceeds to run it all the way back for a touchdown. Some may look at the defensive coordinator, but the head coach overrides everyone, and we CONTINUALLY decide to single-cover Charlie Spiller all game, and he goes on to single-handedly beat us by himself, racking up over 200+ all-purpose yards on us. Keep in mind this was the year that Nate Hughes got hurt, and Arceneaux wasn't a big threat then, so you already know who Alcorn's go-to-guy is.


*getting off my soapbox*

Totten can't do everything on his own. In most cases, I don't agree with this but in your case MONEY is the problem. I know that you are saying that Totten is not getting the most out of his teams but I BET his assistants suck! There are several JSU grads out there who could help Valley win but you probably can't afford to him. You had TWO JSU alums looking for jobs this off-season... Shawn Gregory and John McKenzie. Totten should have been all over both of em (if he could afford them).

You can't blame Totten for Valley's downfalls. Also, didn't Totten fire Gregory right before Nelson's senoir year?
 



Totten can't do everything on his own. In most cases, I don't agree with this but in your case MONEY is the problem. I know that you are saying that Totten is not getting the most out of his teams but I BET his assistants suck! There are several JSU grads out there who could help Valley win but you probably can't afford to him. You had TWO JSU alums looking for jobs this off-season... Shawn Gregory and John McKenzie. Totten should have been all over both of em (if he could afford them).

You can't blame Totten for Valley's downfalls. Also, didn't Totten fire Gregory right before Nelson's senoir year?

Totten also got rid of his Defensive Coordinator that year after having the number 2 ranked defense in the conference....WHY???

(It was Sam Washington who is currently coaching at Grambling.......)
 
Totten also got rid of his Defensive Coordinator that year after having the number 2 ranked defense in the conference....WHY???

(It was Sam Washington who is currently coaching at Grambling.......)

Yall can't have him back either... We like Sam!!!!!
 
i refuse to smack valley.

Dgun, I agree. Even IF it's not all Totten's fault. He's been given moooore than enough chances to right the ship in Itta Bena. It's just time for a fresh start.
 
I guess all of those 2nd place finishes do add up huh. Continue being the biggest loser as that's what 2nd place really is.

Uhhh.....ok. But I would really think the "biggest" losers are the ones below 2nd place. Now, what place are you all in?
 
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i refuse to smack valley.

Dgun, I agree. Even IF it's not all Totten's fault. He's been given moooore than enough chances to right the ship in Itta Bena. It's just time for a fresh start.

But why would you start over and put another person in the same situation. Valley ain't won the SWAC EVER! ...if they could not win the SWAC with Rice/Totten, they won't now! ..or ever. They need to challenge Tuskegee and Albany State. Valley is about a 3rd or 4th place SIAC school.
 
Let's be real, Valley is no worse or better than any other school in the SWAC. The whole conference is made up of second rate athletes. The best athletes don't attend SWAC schools. When was the last time someone was drafted in the 1st or 2nd round of any sports draft. This conference gets no respect as NO team in the conference is really a D1 program. Again, look at the OOC record for SWAC schools. So, while you take shots at what Valley needs to do, you might want to look around your house first. OLD SAYING- Hit dog will holler. I'm waiting on you to holler.
 
Let's be real, Valley is no worse or better than any other school in the SWAC. The whole conference is made up of second rate athletes. The best athletes don't attend SWAC schools. When was the last time someone was drafted in the 1st or 2nd round of any sports draft. This conference gets no respect as NO team in the conference is really a D1 program. Again, look at the OOC record for SWAC schools. So, while you take shots at what Valley needs to do, you might want to look around your house first. OLD SAYING- Hit dog will holler. I'm waiting on you to holler.

You may be right... we may be better suited for D2 as a whole but Valley is definitely D2 material.
 
But why would you start over and put another person in the same situation. Valley ain't won the SWAC EVER! ...if they could not win the SWAC with Rice/Totten, they won't now! ..or ever. They need to challenge Tuskegee and Albany State. Valley is about a 3rd or 4th place SIAC school.

I hate to say it, but TigerPride is right. Business wise, it makes little sense to continue to try the same thing, over and over. Valley competes in other sports, but none of those other sports takes the dedication, financially or physically, that SWAC football does.

Unfortunately, they have everything going against them ....

Facilities: I haven't been to Rice-Totten since 1986 (I don't remember much ... I was seven). However, from what I was told when SU went up there a few years back, if this conference ever decided to go on the next level, MVSU wouldn't make it. Granted, it's a better facility than Blackshear or Durley, but both of those schools have access to better or will get better soon. I have yet to hear an outcry for better facilities in Itta Bena.

Location: Itta Bena, Mississippi .... only Grambling and Alcorn come close to being in as small a town. Alcorn has built their facilities up and Grambling depends on their name where playing at home isn't as important as it is to the rest of us. Any type of improvements will come at a price and I don't see Northern Mississippi as a place full of disposable cash. It's only going to get worse with the nine game mandate and trips to southern Texas every year.

DGTM covered coaching so I won't even go there. And touching on the fanbase is not necesssary. We all know how that has gone.

I'm no expert and this is purely my opinion, but I would get rid of Totten and seriously think about a move to D2. With each and every other school in this conference, there is a thought that they could do better if their fans supported them more, if their administration woke the hell up, or if they got the right man in charge. I could see Valley doing this and still not succeeding and that's scary.

Not to mention, it would force the SWAC to go an eight game mandate .... the perfect setup.
 
Let's be real, Valley is no worse or better than any other school in the SWAC. The whole conference is made up of second rate athletes. The best athletes don't attend SWAC schools. When was the last time someone was drafted in the 1st or 2nd round of any sports draft. This conference gets no respect as NO team in the conference is really a D1 program. Again, look at the OOC record for SWAC schools. So, while you take shots at what Valley needs to do, you might want to look around your house first. OLD SAYING- Hit dog will holler. I'm waiting on you to holler.

VSlater dude, dont lump all of us into your world. I know it SUcks being you all, but dont lump us with you.
 
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