Which is the One of the Ten Commandments that teaches that there is only ONE God?
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hassan
You are absoutly correct and that's why folks are so confused. Some feel if it does not say "Thou Shall Not" is is not a commandment.
What about phrases like:
Thou Shall, I command thou, Obey [children obey your parents], Forsake not, they are all commands.
"Husband love your wife"
Is a command [ment] and is just as binding as 'Thou shall no kill"
There is a good Study Bible [Dakes] that has notations that tells if the scripure is a command [commandment].
You are absoutly correct and that's why folks are so confused. Some feel if it does not say "Thou Shall Not" is is not a commandment.
What about phrases like:
Thou Shall, I command thou, Obey [children obey your parents], Forsake not, they are all commands.
"Husband love your wife"
Is a command [ment] and is just as binding as 'Thou shall no kill"
There is a good Study Bible [Dakes] that has notations that tells if the scripure is a command [commandment].
hassan
La ilaj? ila Al
Doc, i'm glad that someone is taking time to read and comprehend...
sounds like ... polytheism
ok, i buy God being everywhere but why would God have to talk to himself?
are you saying that the Almighty is suffering from schizophrenia??
you're really stretching to "make" that point
yes, and your point is?
no argument here
so why beget what is already perfect?
didnt you just say that God was eternal?
please make up your mind
so you're trying to say that God was not eternal?
so now the trinity is not enough for you?
you have to have four?
so you're still trying to tell us that God is not eternal
that which is eternal knows no beginning, no end
no birth, no death
birth and death are the beginning and ending of mortal beings - not the immortal
you bet it does - that could very be because it makes no kind of sense whatsoever
so who gives us this best possible "understanding"?
God would be my guess
so why would God create us with an inherent inability to understand the things He needs us to understand
that, too, makes zero sense
so now you're basing religious dogma on a quote from a heathen
yes, there ARE mistranslations in the Bible - i'm finally glad to see that at least one of y'all is admitting to it
again, coming through Jesus to get to God implying that Jesus is a means to the end - not the end
how do you figure?
all you have done is post a whole bunch of disjointed verbiage
sounds like ... polytheism
ok, i buy God being everywhere but why would God have to talk to himself?
are you saying that the Almighty is suffering from schizophrenia??
you're really stretching to "make" that point
yes, and your point is?
no argument here
so why beget what is already perfect?
didnt you just say that God was eternal?
please make up your mind
so you're trying to say that God was not eternal?
so now the trinity is not enough for you?
you have to have four?
so you're still trying to tell us that God is not eternal
that which is eternal knows no beginning, no end
no birth, no death
birth and death are the beginning and ending of mortal beings - not the immortal
you bet it does - that could very be because it makes no kind of sense whatsoever
so who gives us this best possible "understanding"?
God would be my guess
so why would God create us with an inherent inability to understand the things He needs us to understand
that, too, makes zero sense
so now you're basing religious dogma on a quote from a heathen
yes, there ARE mistranslations in the Bible - i'm finally glad to see that at least one of y'all is admitting to it
again, coming through Jesus to get to God implying that Jesus is a means to the end - not the end
how do you figure?
all you have done is post a whole bunch of disjointed verbiage
dacontinent
Preacher
I am glad that you do know better. Such a supposition is just flat wrong. Jesus never put His godliness on the shelf. His life was the literal display of godliness. Jesus did not do anything that Adam was not capable of doing.
It is apparent that you did not read the passages that I posted and don't understand what polytheism is. Polytheism says that the 3 would have to operate independently. They don't. They never have. They never will. They all operate together as God.
When he was here on earth as a man, he had no need to operate as God. If there had been such a need, then you and I would have an excuse for not walking as He did; it would be pointless for Him tell us to follow his example. All Jesus did was follow the Father's instructions - just like Adam was supposed to do.
They had many books of history - including the Torah - which chronicled polytheistic cultures. Judeo-Christian ethic only has one God - the Lord our God is one. The Greeks and Romans knew that. In fact it was one of the means for identifying and persecuting Christians.
dacontinent
I have to disagree with your statement:
?Jesus never put His godliness on the shelf. His life was the literal display of godliness.?
Take a few moments and read Philippians 2:6-8.
This is the Kenosis of Christ: Jesus emptied himself of divinity to become human and live among mankind. Based on this scripture Christ, had to ?put his divinity? on a shelf in order to live among men. There are other scriptures to support the idea of Christ ?setting aside? his divinity to dwell among men.
God, can not look at sin because of his holliness. That's why Jesus said in Mark 15:34
"E-lo-o, E-lo-i, lamasabachthani
MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?
I have to disagree with your statement:
?Jesus never put His godliness on the shelf. His life was the literal display of godliness.?
Take a few moments and read Philippians 2:6-8.
This is the Kenosis of Christ: Jesus emptied himself of divinity to become human and live among mankind. Based on this scripture Christ, had to ?put his divinity? on a shelf in order to live among men. There are other scriptures to support the idea of Christ ?setting aside? his divinity to dwell among men.
God, can not look at sin because of his holliness. That's why Jesus said in Mark 15:34
"E-lo-o, E-lo-i, lamasabachthani
MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME?
Hassan, please go back and re read everything I wrote. God is eternal. The earthly man died. God made a birth earthly through Mary. The Earthly man had a start, Not the man on the inside of the innocent body.
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Let me ask you a question....(THIS IS TO WHOME IT MAY APPLY TO)
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IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND OR DON'T BELIEVE SOMETHING, DOES THAT MAKE IT UNTRUE? IF GOD IS ALL POWERFUL,
CAN HE DIE AND STILL BE ALIVE AT THE SAME TIME? IS GOD'S POWER LIMITED TO OUR UNDERSTANDING OR IS OUR UNDERSTANDING LIMITED TO GOD'S POWER?
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AND FINIALLY, DO WE WALK BY FAITH OR BY SIGHT?....THINK ABOUT ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS VERY CAREFULLY WHEN WE ASK WHY OR HOW. JUST KNOW THAT GOD CANNOT LIE. EVEN IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND...GOD CAN NOT LIE. HE IS ONLY 1 PERSON? THAT HAS 3 POSSITIONS FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT. THE NAME IS JESUS.
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SO I REPEAT.....GO BACK AND RE-READ EVERYTHING I WROTE. TAKE YOUR TIME AND YOUR BIBLE AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
WHEN YOU RECIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE MYSTERIES OF GOD LIKE ALL SPIRIT FILL PEOPLE DO. UNTIL THEN, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO USE HUMAN WISDOM TO UNDERSTAND GOD AND IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN..THAT IS WHY THE QUESTION IS ASKED IN THE BIBLE, WHO UNDERSTANDETH A MAN BETTER THAN HIS SPIRIT, AND WHO UNDERSTANDS GOD MORE THAN HIS OWN SPIRIT? ANYONE WIHT OUT THE SPIRIT CAN'T UNDERSTAND SPIRITUAL THINGS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE SPIRIT OF DECERNMENT(or know the difference between the truth and a lie) FOR IT IS FOOLISHNESS TO HIM.
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Let me ask you a question....(THIS IS TO WHOME IT MAY APPLY TO)
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IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND OR DON'T BELIEVE SOMETHING, DOES THAT MAKE IT UNTRUE? IF GOD IS ALL POWERFUL,
CAN HE DIE AND STILL BE ALIVE AT THE SAME TIME? IS GOD'S POWER LIMITED TO OUR UNDERSTANDING OR IS OUR UNDERSTANDING LIMITED TO GOD'S POWER?
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AND FINIALLY, DO WE WALK BY FAITH OR BY SIGHT?....THINK ABOUT ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS VERY CAREFULLY WHEN WE ASK WHY OR HOW. JUST KNOW THAT GOD CANNOT LIE. EVEN IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND...GOD CAN NOT LIE. HE IS ONLY 1 PERSON? THAT HAS 3 POSSITIONS FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT. THE NAME IS JESUS.
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SO I REPEAT.....GO BACK AND RE-READ EVERYTHING I WROTE. TAKE YOUR TIME AND YOUR BIBLE AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
WHEN YOU RECIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE MYSTERIES OF GOD LIKE ALL SPIRIT FILL PEOPLE DO. UNTIL THEN, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO USE HUMAN WISDOM TO UNDERSTAND GOD AND IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN..THAT IS WHY THE QUESTION IS ASKED IN THE BIBLE, WHO UNDERSTANDETH A MAN BETTER THAN HIS SPIRIT, AND WHO UNDERSTANDS GOD MORE THAN HIS OWN SPIRIT? ANYONE WIHT OUT THE SPIRIT CAN'T UNDERSTAND SPIRITUAL THINGS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE SPIRIT OF DECERNMENT(or know the difference between the truth and a lie) FOR IT IS FOOLISHNESS TO HIM.
Attack Dog
Well-Known Member
WE ALL MUST STUDY.
dacontinent
Preacher
Actually, we agree. That is exactly the point that I was making.
Re: Which is the One of the Ten Commandments that teaches that there is only ONE God
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT ALL OF THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD IS IN CHRIST. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT JESUS PUT HIS DIVINITY ON THE SHELF, IS WHAT DO IT MEANS WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE WORD WAS GOD? WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN JESUS SAID, WHEN YOU SEE ME YOU SEE THE FATHER. WHAT DOES JESUS MEAN WHEN HE SAID THAT HE AND HIS FATHER ARE 1? WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS WAS EQUIL WITH GOD? WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN JESUS SAID THAT "ALTHOUGH I LEAVE YOU, I WILL COME TO YOU (HOLY GHOST) WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN THE FULLNESS OF GOD IS IN CHRIST BODILY?
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YOU SEE....THIS IS BIBLE....NOT ME......WHEN PEOPLE START READING AND STOP LISTENING THEN MAYBE THEY WILL GET IT. MAYBE IF PEOPLE RECIEVE THE SPIRIT, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND. SOME THINGS ARE ONLY REVEALED TO THE PEOPLE WITH THE SPIRIT. THAT IS WHY THEY CAN JUDGE ALL THINGS, BUT THEY THEMSELVES ARE NOT SUBJECT TO ANYONE'S JUDGEMENT.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT ALL OF THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD IS IN CHRIST. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT JESUS PUT HIS DIVINITY ON THE SHELF, IS WHAT DO IT MEANS WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE WORD WAS GOD? WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN JESUS SAID, WHEN YOU SEE ME YOU SEE THE FATHER. WHAT DOES JESUS MEAN WHEN HE SAID THAT HE AND HIS FATHER ARE 1? WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS WAS EQUIL WITH GOD? WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN JESUS SAID THAT "ALTHOUGH I LEAVE YOU, I WILL COME TO YOU (HOLY GHOST) WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN THE FULLNESS OF GOD IS IN CHRIST BODILY?
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YOU SEE....THIS IS BIBLE....NOT ME......WHEN PEOPLE START READING AND STOP LISTENING THEN MAYBE THEY WILL GET IT. MAYBE IF PEOPLE RECIEVE THE SPIRIT, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND. SOME THINGS ARE ONLY REVEALED TO THE PEOPLE WITH THE SPIRIT. THAT IS WHY THEY CAN JUDGE ALL THINGS, BUT THEY THEMSELVES ARE NOT SUBJECT TO ANYONE'S JUDGEMENT.
dacontinent
Preacher
Re: Which is the One of the Ten Commandments that teaches that there is only ONE God
God has limits in that He chooses to limit Himself.
Can God forgive sin without me repenting? He certainly has the capacity; but He has set the order that repentance comes first.
Many blessings are conditional; "If..., then..." He limits Himself to doing certain things by our active participation.
hassan said:
God has limits in that He chooses to limit Himself.
Can God forgive sin without me repenting? He certainly has the capacity; but He has set the order that repentance comes first.
Many blessings are conditional; "If..., then..." He limits Himself to doing certain things by our active participation.
dacontinent
Preacher
Re: please dont take offense but...
I already answered that in post #11 of this thread.
Truth often does. Deal with it.hassan said:
hassan said:
I already answered that in post #11 of this thread.
Re: Which is the One of the Ten Commandments that teaches that there is only ONE God
The first commandment says that you should have no other God before me, it did not say before us, but before me. If you read all of the commandments you would see that God speaks in the singular form because he is a singular person. Every single commandments implies that he is only God, God declares that he is only one God throughout the bible, and the people declare throughout the bible that there is only one God.
Also, your question was which one of the ten commandments proves that there is only one God. If God stated that he is only one God in the ten commandments, then that would not be a commandment, he would have only made a statement. There are no statements in the 10 commandments, only commandments. There is a difference. In order to understand, you must read the bible. The whole bible teaches the onenes of God, not a God the Father, God the Son and God the HolySpirit. It Teaches of 1 God who is Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Spirit in power. Like the bible says, These 3 are 1. In other words, these 3 titles all apply to the same person. JESUS.
The first commandment says that you should have no other God before me, it did not say before us, but before me. If you read all of the commandments you would see that God speaks in the singular form because he is a singular person. Every single commandments implies that he is only God, God declares that he is only one God throughout the bible, and the people declare throughout the bible that there is only one God.
Also, your question was which one of the ten commandments proves that there is only one God. If God stated that he is only one God in the ten commandments, then that would not be a commandment, he would have only made a statement. There are no statements in the 10 commandments, only commandments. There is a difference. In order to understand, you must read the bible. The whole bible teaches the onenes of God, not a God the Father, God the Son and God the HolySpirit. It Teaches of 1 God who is Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Spirit in power. Like the bible says, These 3 are 1. In other words, these 3 titles all apply to the same person. JESUS.
dacontinent
Preacher
Re: Which is the One of the Ten Commandments that teaches that there is only ONE God
Please don't. Look at the number of things that Jesus said that the Pharisees and Saducees thought sounded blasphemous.
I am not trying to be rude nor flippant.
hassan said:well, that was an intelligent response
*i'll just take that to mean you really don't know what you're talking about
Please don't. Look at the number of things that Jesus said that the Pharisees and Saducees thought sounded blasphemous.
I am not trying to be rude nor flippant.
Re: Which is the One of the Ten Commandments that teaches that there is only ONE God
dacontinent is right. God has all power and if he wants to split himself into 2 or 3 people then he can do it. If he want's to limit himself, in any way, he can do it. Because we don't know or understand something doessn't mean that it's not true or possible.
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With men, things are impossible, but with God, all things are possible. (All means all) No exceptions
Read 1Cor1:18-25
1Cor2:1-16
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This is the reason we walk by faith and not by sight. Faith is the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN (nor understood)
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Isaiah55:8-9
Proverbs4:7
Proverbs16:25
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So, as you can see, it doesn't matter what we think about anything, It's not God's responsibiblity of how we see or interpret anything. The fact of what the truth is remains the same wether we understand or not. Spirit filled people can and will be able to understand. We have that ability. People without the spirit only rely on their human wisdom wich is not enough. You need the spirit of God to understand things of God. I am going to close with somethings that the Apostle Paul stated to all who think that they are saved.
James1:26-27
Galations1:11
Ephesians3:2-6
Romans16:25-27
Ephesians2:19-20 (the foundation is ACTS2:38)
dacontinent is right. God has all power and if he wants to split himself into 2 or 3 people then he can do it. If he want's to limit himself, in any way, he can do it. Because we don't know or understand something doessn't mean that it's not true or possible.
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With men, things are impossible, but with God, all things are possible. (All means all) No exceptions
Read 1Cor1:18-25
1Cor2:1-16
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This is the reason we walk by faith and not by sight. Faith is the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN (nor understood)
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Isaiah55:8-9
Proverbs4:7
Proverbs16:25
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So, as you can see, it doesn't matter what we think about anything, It's not God's responsibiblity of how we see or interpret anything. The fact of what the truth is remains the same wether we understand or not. Spirit filled people can and will be able to understand. We have that ability. People without the spirit only rely on their human wisdom wich is not enough. You need the spirit of God to understand things of God. I am going to close with somethings that the Apostle Paul stated to all who think that they are saved.
James1:26-27
Galations1:11
Ephesians3:2-6
Romans16:25-27
Ephesians2:19-20 (the foundation is ACTS2:38)
Attack Dog
Well-Known Member
Re: Which is the One of the Ten Commandments that teaches that there is only ONE God
In reading this thread and others, I've noticed that the vast majority of quoted scripture comes from the works AFTER the death of Jesus. I'm more inclined to go with 1st hand accounts myself.
In reading this thread and others, I've noticed that the vast majority of quoted scripture comes from the works AFTER the death of Jesus. I'm more inclined to go with 1st hand accounts myself.
Re: Which is the One of the Ten Commandments that teaches that there is only ONE God
Hassan, I don't preach about a Trinity. That is pagen and un true. There is only 1 God. Not a 3 in one. You asked me for some sorces once befor and I didn't have it on me. Now you can read for your self.
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World Book Encyclopedia, Volume1..Page651
Catholic Encyclopedia Volume2 pages263
Britanica encyclopedia 11th eddition volume3 pages265-266.
Last but not least, The Bible. You see Hassan, history and documented facts are not lies. Even the catholics will tell you that when they started there church 325ad, is when the name of Jesus was changed to Father, Son and Holy spirit because they started the doctrine of a Tri Unity God. Before then, All baptisms were done in the name of Jesus only because the Apostles understood that there was only 1 Lord. That's whay Peter said repent and be baptised for the rimmision of sins in the name of Jesus. I believe in the oneness because it's true. I have provided you some proof that history itself shows you when things started to go wrong. I am with you on that. There is one God. The Bible teaches that our 1 God existed in the form of a burning bush, as a Spirit that was Holy, and in human form with a earthly name Yashua (Jesus) Since The Jesus Form of the One God is the sacrifice of sin, then that makes his name above every name and you have to call his name and not say titles. Jesus is the one God Hassan. Not a person in a 3 part God known as the Trinity. There is no trinity, there is only 1 God.
Hassan, I don't preach about a Trinity. That is pagen and un true. There is only 1 God. Not a 3 in one. You asked me for some sorces once befor and I didn't have it on me. Now you can read for your self.
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World Book Encyclopedia, Volume1..Page651
Catholic Encyclopedia Volume2 pages263
Britanica encyclopedia 11th eddition volume3 pages265-266.
Last but not least, The Bible. You see Hassan, history and documented facts are not lies. Even the catholics will tell you that when they started there church 325ad, is when the name of Jesus was changed to Father, Son and Holy spirit because they started the doctrine of a Tri Unity God. Before then, All baptisms were done in the name of Jesus only because the Apostles understood that there was only 1 Lord. That's whay Peter said repent and be baptised for the rimmision of sins in the name of Jesus. I believe in the oneness because it's true. I have provided you some proof that history itself shows you when things started to go wrong. I am with you on that. There is one God. The Bible teaches that our 1 God existed in the form of a burning bush, as a Spirit that was Holy, and in human form with a earthly name Yashua (Jesus) Since The Jesus Form of the One God is the sacrifice of sin, then that makes his name above every name and you have to call his name and not say titles. Jesus is the one God Hassan. Not a person in a 3 part God known as the Trinity. There is no trinity, there is only 1 God.