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Originally posted by dacontinent
To answer the question, there are none.
There is a commandment to have no other gods before Him.
Originally posted by Dwayne
...there are other commandments other than the 10. Everything we must do are not rapped up in the 10.
Originally posted by Attack Dog
...for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17)
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, E'li, E'li, la'ma sa-bach'tha-ni? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Matthew 27:46) [/B]
Originally posted by hassan
so does that commandment mean that someone can have a god with Him?
Originally posted by hassan
right.... right ....
he said MY and YOUR when addressing God
God is all of OUR Father
Jesus didnt say "I am ascending because I am God"
he said that he was ascending to MY FATHER which would not make any sense if Jesus WAS God because then he would be ascending to ... HIMSELF??
let's continue...
so, since Jesus is God (as some would have me believe), then what Jesus was saying was that
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Jesus forsook himself?
Originally posted by dacontinent
In coming to earth as a man, the Son forsook His diety for a season. In being a man, he forsook His diety to show us how to love.
Originally posted by Fortitude
Dwayne,
I hope you print out your posts because, you wrote enough material to preach a sermon from.![]()
Originally posted by Dwayne
I do. I am helping as many people as possible come into the truth and as I continue my studies of history, Bible and the pure facts, I am making a book for myself and I intend to duplicate it and give it to all churches. Well, as many as I can.
Originally posted by Dwayne
If we understand that there is 1 God then it will help people understand the baptism prehaps. If our 1 God was 3 persons then saying Father, Son and Holy Spirit would be ok. Lets see what the Bible says.
JESUS IS GOD
Hebrews1:3 and 1:8
colossians2:9
Rev.22:16
Isaiah35:4-6(Who will save us)
Luke7:22(Sounds like Isaiah to me)
John20-28
Acts20:28
Titus2:13
2Peter1:1
Mat.1:23
Ephesians4:6
John8:19-24
John14:6-7
Psalm139:7-13
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The last verse explains how God is everywhere at once. So some will ask,"Who was Jesus praying to and why was he always seeming to be talking as if him and his Father were seperate?"
When God came to earth, He was still in heaven also. God can act simutaneously in heaven and on earth. For that matter, he can be in as many locations as he wishis. He is the ALMIGHTY GOD. He can do that. It's very important that we recognize the magnitude of God's omnipresence and not limit it by our own human understanding or lack there of.
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OK...Is God a spirit? Yes he is? Is he holy? Yes he is. Does that make him the HOLY SPIRIT? Yes it does...(John14:18 Jesus said,"I will not leave you confortless: I will come to you.") The Holy Spirit came to the deciples on Pentecost. This must mean that they all are the same person...The name is Jesus.
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God calls himself all powerful and almighty many times throughout the bible.(Genesis17:1 and 35:11)
Now read Romans13:1
1Tim6:15
Rev19:6
Titus1:2
Hebrews6:18
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God is eternal
Deuteronomy33:27
Isaiah9:6 and 44:6
1 Timothy1:17
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you see, there is no such thing as a Son of God before Jesus was born. Because God himself got into Marry's body and made himself flesh, and that is how he became a son in the first place. Mary was a virgin. So God could only be his own Father because no Earthly man had mary. So, since we know that God is everywhere at once, why could he not have still been in heaven?
Jesus talked the way he did to people because he was in the Flesh also. The only way a Man can live a perfect life is if God is in him. Only God is perfect. Only God could die for us. The reason we have to go through the son (version) of God is because it was the earthly man who died. Wich brings us to the question, Who is the 4th man in the fire? You see, God being born is the reason for the phrase"Son of GOd." If I was able to give birth to myself and still be myself at the same time then who is my father? I would be my own father and it would have been my choice to send my self. Sounds confusing? It's suppose to because His ways are not our ways and thoughts are not our thoughts. We don't have to be able to explain God or what he says or does. All we have to do is believe every word that comes out of his mouth with the best understanding possible.
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THE FOURTH MAN IN THE FIRE
One supposed theophany is the fourth man who appeared inthe fire when Shadrach, Meshach, and Abendnego were cast into the furnace(Daniel3:24-25). The heathen king Nebuchadnezzar said,"lo, I see four men loose...and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God"(Daniel3:25). However, in the original language(aramaic) there is no definite article before Son; that is, there is no (the) before the word Son in this verse. The NIV and TAB reads this phrase as"a son of the gods." The king was using heathen terminology and had no knowledge of the future arrival of the only begotten Son of God so it would have been impossible
for hime to have made that statement. This is one of the few misstranslations of the King James version of the Bible. Most likely the king saw an angel, for he described this manifestation as an angel(Daniel3:28). It appears that the phrase"sons of God" can refer to angelic beings(Job38:7). At the most, what Nebuchadnezzar saw could only be a temporary theophany of God. Certainly, this was not a view of the Son of God described in the New Testament, because the Son had not been born and the sonship had not Begun yet.
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NOW WE MUST UNDERSTAND NAMES AND TITLES OF GOD
God used names as a means of progressive self revelation. For example, in Exodus6:3 God said,"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of GOD ALMIGHTY, but my name JEHOVAH was I not know unto them." Just like Matthew28 when Jesus said Baptise in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. The name is Jesus...(Acts2:38-to the end of the bible) Verses 4 through 8 makes it clear that the significance to Israel of the name Jehovah was its association with redemption and salvation. We know that Abraham did use the name Jehovah(Genesis22:14); however, God did not make known to him the full significance of this name in its redemptive aspect. So, in Exodus6:3 God promised to reveal Himself to His people in a new way. That is, He began to associate His name with a new understanding of his character and presence.
Yahwe(Jehova) is the repdemptive name of God in the old testament(Exodus6:3-8), and the unique name by which the 1 true God distinguished himself in the Old Testament from all other gods(Isaiah42:8). It means the "Sekf Existing one or the Eternal one." This concept also appers in the phrases"I AM THAT I AM" and "I AM," used by God of Himself. Flanders and Cresson explain that Yahweh is the third person form of the verb "to be" in Hebrew. Yahweh means "He is." When used by God, the verb form is in the first person, or "I AM." In other words, Yahweh and "I AM" are different forms of the SAME verb. Futhermore, both connote an active (possibly causative or creative) existance rather than just a passive existance.
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THE NAME JESUS
When the fulness of time came, God did satisfy the longings of his people and revealed Himself in all His power and glory through the name Jesus. Jesus is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew name variously rendered as Jehoshua(numbers13:16), Jeshua(Ezra2:2), or Joshua(Exodus17:9). Both Acts7:45 and Hebrews4:8 show that Jesus is the same name as Joshua. (See also NIV).
Jesus means Jehovah-savior, Jehovah our Salvation, or Jehovah is Salvation. This is why the angel said, "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins"(Matthew1:21) The identification of the name Jesus with salvation is particularly evident because the Hebrew for Jeshua is practically identical to the Hebrew for salvation, especially since ancient Hebrew did not use written vowels. In fact, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance transliterates Jeshua as Yeshuwa and the Hebrew word for salvation as Yeshuwah. Although others have borne the name Jehoshua, Joshua, or Jesus, the Lord Jesus Christ is the only one who actually lived up to that name. He is the only one who is actually what that name describes.
The New Testament church is identified by the name of Jesus. In fact Jesus said we would be hated among all men for His name's sake(Matthew10:22). The early Church was persecuted for the name of Jesus(Acts5:28;9:21;15:26), and they considered it a privilege to be counted worthy to suffer for His name(Acts5:41). Peter stated that the lame man at the gate Beautiful was healed"by the name of Jesus(Acts4:10). He then explained the supremacy and necessity of this name in receiving salvation:
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men where by we must be saved" (Acts4:12) The Apostle Paul wrote, "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of the earth in earth and under earth"(Philippians2:9-10).
Jesus said that he is the way, The Truth. No one comes to the father But through him. (meaning that through him are all things accomplished.) Therefore, anything not done in his name isn't done at all. (Including Baptism)
Because of the exalted position of this name, we are exorted to rely upon the name of Jesus in all we do or say:"whatso ever you do in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus"(Colossians3:17). We teach and preach in the name of Jesus(Acts4:17-18; 5:28). We cast out devels and speak in tounges and heal the sick all in the name of Jesus(Mark16:17-18-James5:14). Signs and wonders are done by the name of Jesus(Acts4:30). We pray and make requests known to God in the name of Jesus(John14:13-14; 16:23). We gather together in the name of Jesus(Matthew18:20). We baptise in the name of Jesus(Acts2:38)
Through the name Jesus, therefore, God reveals Himself Fully. To the extent that we see, know, honor, believe, and recieve Jesus, to that extent we see, know, honor, believe, and receive God the Father(John5:23; 8:19; 12:44-45; 13:20; 14:7-9). If we deny Jesus, we deny the Father(1John2:23), but if we use the name of jesus we glorify the father(colossians3:17).
The Bible foretold that the Messiah would declare the name of the Lord(Psalm22:22; see Hebrews2:12). Jesus asserted that He had manifested and declared the name of the Father(John17:6 and 26). In fact, He inherited his name from the Father(Hebrews1:4). How did Jesus manifest and declare the Father's name? He did so by unveiling the meaning of the name through the works that he did, which were the works of Jehovah(John14:10-11). Just as God in the Old Testament progressively revealed more about His nature and his name by responding to the needs of his people, so Jesus in the New Testament fully revealed the nature and name of God through miracles, healings, casting out of devils, and forgiveness of sins. Jesus declared the Father's name by His works; for by them He proved that He was indeed the Father, the Jehovah of the Old Testament. (See Isaiah35:4-6 with Luke7:19-22) By demonstrating the power of God in accordance with the prophecies, he proved that Jesus was the name of the Father.
Why is the name of Jesus the full revelation of God? Simply because Jesus is Jehovah and in Jesus dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, including the role of the Father(Colossians2:9).
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JESUS IS GOD part 2
The fact that Jesus is God is as firmly established in scripture as the fact that God is one. The Bible teaches that Jesus is fully God and fully man. Even the old Testament testifies that Jesus is God. Isaiah9:6 is one of the most powerful proofs that Jesus is God.The terms CHILD and SON refer to the Incarnation or manifestation of "The mighty God" and "The everlasting Father."
Isaiah prophesied that the messiah would be called Immanuel, that is, God with us(Isaiah7:14; Matthew1:22-23).
Isaiah35:4-6 shows that Jesus is God: "Behold, your God...he will come and save you." This passage goes on to say that when God comes the eyes of the blind would be opened, the ears of the deaf would be unstopped, the lame would leap, and the tongue of the dumb would speak. Jesus applied this passage of Scripture to Himself(Luke7:22) and, of course, His ministry did produce all of these things.
Isaiah40:3 declares that one would cry in the wilderness,"Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our GOD." John the Baptist fulfilled this prophecy when he prepared the way for Jesus(Matthew3:3) si Jesus must be THE LORD...(Jehovah our God) Remember the bible teaches that there is 1 Lord, 1 Faith and 1 Baptism.
Micah5:2 proves that the messiah is God. "But thou, Bethelehem Ephratah...out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel, whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."
The Old Testament clearly states that the Messiah and Savior to come would be God himself. Jesus is not just a part of God, but all of God is resident in Him. If there were several persons in the Godhead, according to Colossians2:9 they would all be resident in the bodily form of Jesus. We are complete in Him(Colossians2:10)
The statement that Jesus is God necessarily implies that God took on human flesh. This is in fact what the Bible says.
(1) "God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of the angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, recieved up into glory"(1Timothy3:16) See also verse 15 for futher confirmation that God is the subject of verse 16.
God is a Spirit--without flesh and blood and invisible to man. In order to make himself visible to man and in order to shed innocent blood for out sins, He had to put on Flesh.He is God veiled in flesh (Hebrews10:20). As Abraham prophesied, probably without understanding the full meaning of his own words, "God will provide himself a lamb"(Genesis22:8) God indeed provided a body for Himself: "Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me" (Hebrews10:5)
God came to his own creation and his own people but they did not recognize Him or recieve Him(John1:10-11).
It is true that we cannot comprehend fully how the miraculous conception- the union of God and man too place in the womb of Mary, be we can accept it by faith. In fact, if we do not believe that Jesus is come in the flesh we have an antichrist spirit(2John7), but if we do accept this doctrine of Christ we will have both Father and the Son(2John9). Both Father and Son are revealed in Christ(John10:30; 14:6-11). (John8:19-24)
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. TITLE SCRIPTURE TITLE SCRIPTURE
(1)Almighty Genesis17:1 Almighty Revelation1:8
(2) I Am Exodus3:14-16 I am John8:58
(3)Rock Psalm18:2-28:1 I am 1Cor.10:4
(4)Horn of salvation(Psalm18:2) Horn of Salvation(Luke1:69)
(5)Shepherd Psalm23:1&Isaiah40:10-11 Shepherd John10:11
(6)King of Glory Psalm27:1 Lord of Glory 1cor.2:8
(7)Light Isaiah60:19 Light John1:4-9
(8)Salvation Isaiah12:2 Salvation Acts4:10-12
(9)Lord of Lords Psalm136:3 Lord of Lords Revelation19:16
(10)Holy one Isaiah12:6 Holy One Acts2:27
(11)Lawgiver Isaiah33:22 Law giver Hebrews9:14-17
(12)Judge Isaiah33:22 Judge Acts10:42 and Rev1:8&22:13
(13)First and Last Isaiah41:4 First and Last Revelation1:8
(14)ONLY SAVIOR Isaiah44:11 Only Savior Acts4:12
(15)Giver of Spiritual water(Isaiah44:3) John4:10-14
(16)King of Israel Isaiah44:6 king of Israel John1:49&Rev19:16
(17)Only creator Isaiah44:24 Only Creator John1:3 Col1:16
(18)Only Just God Isaiah45:21 Just one Acts7:52
(19)Redeemer Isaiah54:5 Redeemer Galations3:13 & revelations5:9
Jehovah-shammah (ever present God) See Matthew28:20
This is more than adequate to prove that Jesus is Jehovah. There is only one Jehovah (Deuteronomy6:4), so this means Jesus is the one God of the Old and New testaments.
This is enough for today....If you need more proof...I will deliver..But it will be another day....Have a nice day....God bless and Good night.
"Thou shalt have no other gods beforeThou shalt not make unto thee anygraven image or any likeness of any thing
that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down
thyself to them, nor serve them: for I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the chil-
dren unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and
keep my commandments." EX. 34