The REAL issue with electric cars! Your input?


Olde Hornet

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The real issue with electric cars is how to get them to pay the equivalent of the gasoline tax.

The states and Feds are going to have to figure this out - the roads and bridges must be maintained. Electric cars are heavier that electric cars, hence putting in theory more wear on the road. This a side bar, but how do we "fuel" tax those vehicles?
 
maybe a fee on their tires in addition to the sales tax, but not sure because after 35,000 miles my son's Tesla only needed tires and that was because he was in Boston on those really rough roads with low profile tire. Good question
 
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plugshare is a good app also, me and my son mostly charge at home
My wife charges her Tesla at home. We did stop and charge the car in New Jersey when drove to NY around New Year. Abut $30 was spent round trip. We stayed in Manhatten. The hotel that we stayed in had a charging station, but the valet didn't charge the car. When we were heading back to MD, it was hard to find a charging station that wasn't in a hotel, so we had to drive to Jersey and charge the car at one of the malls.
 
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My wife charges her Telsa at home. We did stop and charge the car in New Jersey when drove to NY around New Year. Abut $30 was spent round trip. We stayed in Manhatten. The hotel that we stayed in had a charging station, but the valet didn't charge the car. When we were heading back to MD, it was hard to find a charging station that wasn't in a hotel, so we had to drive to Jersey and charge the car at one of the malls.
hateful Texas has charging stations all over. I watched a video where Rich Rebuilds drove in that area and had a hard time finding chargers unless they are at hotels.
 
hateful Texas has charging stations all over. I watched a video where Rich Rebuilds drove in that area and had a hard time finding chargers unless they are at hotels.

NYC; the Big Apple; the city that never sleeps; is also where you can’t find a charging station for your electric vehicle. You would think that a massive city with 8 million residents would have ample locations for EV charging, but that’s simply not the case.

Ingenuity becomes the mother of necessity without charging stations​

Imagine living in the massive city that is New York with its vertical real estate. This concrete jungle is short on parking, which is why many New Yorkers choose to use public transportation as their primary means. Even though many use buses, subways, and taxis, the city streets fill with cars in gridlock every day with those that choose to drive themselves around.
 
My wife charges her Telsa at home. We did stop and charge the car in New Jersey when drove to NY around New Year. Abut $30 was spent round trip. We stayed in Manhatten. The hotel that we stayed in had a charging station, but the valet didn't charge the car. When we were heading back to MD, it was hard to find a charging station that wasn't in a hotel, so we had to drive to Jersey and charge the car at one of the malls.

How long did that set you back?
 
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Electric car downside: Some states look at charging motorists by the mile amid falling gas taxes​

Widespread push toward electric vehicles has left state governments seeking new ways to pilfer motorists of their hard earned dollars without curbing the lasting goals of societal engineering.

A cursory glance at the bluest states in the union is all that it takes to see that leftist micromanagement seeks to reinforce behavior, regulate the markets and restrict consumers into complying with their desired outcome. However, the “E” of ESG scoring has hampered tax revenue generation from gasoline sales, according to the Associated Press, as they reported on states seeking alternative ways to bilk drivers in the name of maintaining infrastructure.

Currently, there are only three states that have implemented a road usage charge program, taxing motorists per mile, with another expected to begin its own revenue collection scheme. Those states — Oregon, Utah, Virginia and soon Hawaii — have experimented with devices installed in vehicles that capture mileage data, with the Beaver State having done so since 2015.


The federal government is also looking to get in on the action as $125 million from President Joe Biden’s Nov. 2021 infrastructure package is geared toward piloting such a program.

Meanwhile, Colorado introduced a 27 cent tax on online retail home deliveries like Amazon meant to bridge the gap in lost revenue from gasoline sales which Boston-based engineering company CDM Smith estimated could reach $67 billion by 2050 simply through fuel efficiency.
 

As fuel taxes plummet, states weigh charging by the mile instead of the tank​


COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Evan Burroughs has spent eight years touting the virtues of an Oregon pilot program charging motorists by the distance their vehicle travels rather than the gas it guzzles, yet his own mother still hasn't bought in.

Margaret Burroughs, 85, said she has no intention of inserting a tracking device on her Nissan Murano to record the miles she drives to get groceries or attend needlepoint meetings. She figures it's far less hassle to just pay at the pump, as Americans have done for more than a century.

“It’s probably a good thing, but on top of everybody else’s stress today, it’s just one more thing,” she said of Oregon's first-in-the-nation initiative, which is run by the state transportation department where her son serves as a survey analyst.

Burroughs’ reluctance exemplifies the myriad hurdles U.S. states face as they experiment with road usage charging programs aimed at one day replacing motor fuel taxes, which are generating less each year, in part due to fuel efficiency and the rise of electric cars.

The federal government is about to pilot its own such program, funded by $125 million from the infrastructure measure President Biden signed in November 2021.

So far, only three states — Oregon, Utah and Virginia — are generating revenue from road usage charges, despite the looming threat of an ever-widening gap between states’ gas tax proceeds and their transportation budgets. Hawaii will soon become the fourth. Without action, the gap could reach $67 billion by 2050 due to fuel efficiency alone, Boston-based CDM Smith estimates.
 

Electric car downside: Some states look at charging motorists by the mile amid falling gas taxes​

Widespread push toward electric vehicles has left state governments seeking new ways to pilfer motorists of their hard earned dollars without curbing the lasting goals of societal engineering.

A cursory glance at the bluest states in the union is all that it takes to see that leftist micromanagement seeks to reinforce behavior, regulate the markets and restrict consumers into complying with their desired outcome. However, the “E” of ESG scoring has hampered tax revenue generation from gasoline sales, according to the Associated Press, as they reported on states seeking alternative ways to bilk drivers in the name of maintaining infrastructure.

Currently, there are only three states that have implemented a road usage charge program, taxing motorists per mile, with another expected to begin its own revenue collection scheme. Those states — Oregon, Utah, Virginia and soon Hawaii — have experimented with devices installed in vehicles that capture mileage data, with the Beaver State having done so since 2015.


The federal government is also looking to get in on the action as $125 million from President Joe Biden’s Nov. 2021 infrastructure package is geared toward piloting such a program.

Meanwhile, Colorado introduced a 27 cent tax on online retail home deliveries like Amazon meant to bridge the gap in lost revenue from gasoline sales which Boston-based engineering company CDM Smith estimated could reach $67 billion by 2050 simply through fuel efficiency.


As fuel taxes plummet, states weigh charging by the mile instead of the tank​


COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Evan Burroughs has spent eight years touting the virtues of an Oregon pilot program charging motorists by the distance their vehicle travels rather than the gas it guzzles, yet his own mother still hasn't bought in.

Margaret Burroughs, 85, said she has no intention of inserting a tracking device on her Nissan Murano to record the miles she drives to get groceries or attend needlepoint meetings. She figures it's far less hassle to just pay at the pump, as Americans have done for more than a century.

“It’s probably a good thing, but on top of everybody else’s stress today, it’s just one more thing,” she said of Oregon's first-in-the-nation initiative, which is run by the state transportation department where her son serves as a survey analyst.

Burroughs’ reluctance exemplifies the myriad hurdles U.S. states face as they experiment with road usage charging programs aimed at one day replacing motor fuel taxes, which are generating less each year, in part due to fuel efficiency and the rise of electric cars.

The federal government is about to pilot its own such program, funded by $125 million from the infrastructure measure President Biden signed in November 2021.

So far, only three states — Oregon, Utah and Virginia — are generating revenue from road usage charges, despite the looming threat of an ever-widening gap between states’ gas tax proceeds and their transportation budgets. Hawaii will soon become the fourth. Without action, the gap could reach $67 billion by 2050 due to fuel efficiency alone, Boston-based CDM Smith estimates.

There's no tax at the charging stations?
 

This Shell station removed all of its gas pumps — now, it’s being called the ‘gas station of the future’​



One London gas station has totally reimagined what a refueling area can look like.

Since the beginning of 2022, a Shell station in Fulham, England, has removed all of its gas pumps to instead offer rapid electric vehicle (EV) chargers for those who need to recharge, as reported by Bloomberg.

The awnings over each charger are equipped with solar panels and can fully charge a Tesla Model 3 in about a half-hour, costing around $39. And this “gas” station is far more luxurious than what most people are used to.

Because charging EVs takes longer than pumping gas, the station offers more food and activities for customers while they wait. People charging their cars can get groceries, buy coffee, get their cars washed, or even take a breather in lounge chairs.

It makes total sense that Shell would want to install tons more gasless gas stations, too, as people are more likely to spend money on other goods if they have to stay a bit longer. But worry not, you won’t have to linger too much longer, as the EV chargers here are ultra-fast, several times quicker than the ones installed in people’s homes.
 

No Buyers: EVs Jamming Dealerships with 3- and 4-Month Supplies​

The latest numbers for the first half of 2023 tell us that Tesla is moving the EV iron, but they also tell us that many of the startup and legacy automakers are not. Things seem unusually quiet for EV sales. The predictions for 2023 and rising EV numbers seem like they’re from Mars. So what we must presume is that Tesla, by far, accounts for those increasing overall EV sales. Here’s what the numbers are.

Many of the electric vehicles promised are now here, but where are the buyers? Overall sales make up 6.5% of all brands sold in the U.S. Several automotive consumer sites, including Cox, say this is the year we’ll jump past one million EV sales. Cox also says over 50% of consumers in 2023 are considering either a new or used one.

 
Ford pauses a $12 billion EV investment, after saying electric vehicles are too expensive

Ford has halted billions of dollars in investment in EV manufacturing, warning that customers will not pay a premium for these vehicles.

The auto giant announced in its third-quarter earnings call on Thursday that it would postpone $12 billion in planned spending on electric vehicle production and pause some major projects, including the construction of a new battery factory in Kentucky.

 
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