SWAC Statement on Southern / UAPB Football Altercation


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How else do you propose the few officers that were there disperse the fighters? Not saying that they should spray randomly, but if this were a fight on the street of the same scale, the same measures would be used to control it. They only have so many options at their disposal.....Bare hands and voice (wasn't gonna do shat)...Pepper Spray (which they used)...Baton (then folks would be hollering brutality), or the pistol (obviously not the logical choice). Some people who were trying to break it up were undoubtedly hit...But dayum, that was the best option at the disposal of the officers to control the chaotic scene they were presented with.

And out of all the videos I saw, neither school has more culpability than the other, save for the SU player who started it with his swing.
 
They say the guilty speaks, and a hit dog will holler. Other than no further comments on this, because people are going to defend their own no matter what....
 



U may be right.. Im just saying form my time as a player and coach. i was never in a situation where pepper spray was used. Like it has been said. They were spraying people who were trying to break it up.

But lets speak of another issue. All these coaches talk about discipline. Well this is one of those situations where discipline was non existent. When I was in college we had a written policy. If you leave the bench during a fight or do not proceed to the locker room during a post game situation u were suspended for a game. It happened once after a game and we had to play the next 2 games without our QB and all conference middle linebacker
 
As a police officer how do you disperse a fight when the people fighting have a weapons? Furthermore, when the people fighting are damn near in gladiator shape. Also, when the people fighting are young and immature and down for whatever?

Outside of a pistol....what else do cops have?
 
Just like I wrote in my weekly column, some folks just chomp and drool at every opportunity to prove the SWAC Office is against them...:smh:.

Like I've said, you are just making it worse for you and your respective institution the more you whine and complain...:smh:. Suck It Up.
 
The police was not in the wrong. It is their job to control ignorance before it turns violent. Don't wanna be sprayed, don't fight.
 
s phi s said:
How else do you propose the few officers that were there disperse the fighters? Not saying that they should spray randomly, but if this were a fight on the street of the same scale, the same measures would be used to control it. They only have so many options at their disposal.....Bare hands and voice (wasn't gonna do shat)...Pepper Spray (which they used)...Baton (then folks would be hollering brutality), or the pistol (obviously not the logical choice). Some people who were trying to break it up were undoubtedly hit...But dayum, that was the best option at the disposal of the officers to control the chaotic scene they were presented with.

And out of all the videos I saw, neither school has more culpability than the other, save for the SU player who started it with his swing.
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I agree.
 
emptyright said:
U may be right.. Im just saying form my time as a player and coach. i was never in a situation where pepper spray was used. Like it has been said. They were spraying people who were trying to break it up.

But lets speak of another issue. All these coaches talk about discipline. Well this is one of those situations where discipline was non existent. When I was in college we had a written policy. If you leave the bench during a fight or do not proceed to the locker room during a post game situation u were suspended for a game. It happened once after a game and we had to play the next 2 games without our QB and all conference middle linebacker
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You are right but everyone was already off the bench and on the field and celebrating. The fight once it started they were already at the party. I really can't see anyone running away from it, even those that were trying to stop it got involved whether they wanted to or not.
 
CEE DOG said:
The police was not in the wrong. It is their job to control ignorance before it turns violent. Don't wanna be sprayed, don't fight.
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I agree....every time *****es fight....other *****es run to the fight...then when they get fugged up for running to the fight...they mad!!!
 
The Founder said:
As a police officer how do you disperse a fight when the people fighting have a weapons? Furthermore, when the people fighting are damn near in gladiator shape. Also, when the people fighting are young and immature and down for whatever?

Outside of a pistol....what else do cops have?
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Totally agree. I'm not mad that pepper spray was used. I'm just curious as to why the coaches were sprayed. Were they fighting, too?
 
Nonchalant said:
Totally agree. I'm not mad that pepper spray was used. I'm just curious as to why the coaches were sprayed. Were they fighting, too?
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Sometimes innocent people suffer because of the masses. When you use pepper spray it's designed for groups unlike the type sold for individual use.
 
emptyright said:
This is a case of us dropping the ball again. I have been in games as a player and a coach where a brawl or a post game romp has broken out. The "white police" dont use that pepper spray until it is an absolute must. the "black police" come out the gate spraying. Thats the situation here. The State Troopers should not have sprayed any pepper spray unless a full scale riot breaks out. The troopers are to assist coaches and school personnel in breaking up the fight. Not spraying pepper spray.
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Where are you non-police getting this bull about pepper spray???? You are obviously speaking on emotion, not fact!!!! FYI! The use of pepper spray is clarified in the "Use of force continuum"! This continuum has been changed twice in the past ten years.
 



FYI! To put this pepper spraying to rest:
Use of Force Continuum can be broken down into the standard police use of force continuum:]

1. Physical Presence
2. Soft Hands
3. Mace or Pepper Spray
(A K-9 unit would fall here)
4. Hard Hands
5. Police Baton, Taser, etc.
6. Threat of Deadly Force
7. Deadly Force
 
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I wasn't there, but I heard there were folks acting like thugs and fighting, cussing and being ignorant.
 
this is true....when the fight started the first thing the campus police did was start spraying and they were not spraying randomly in the air, they were spraying directly into SU player's faces....then I personally witnessed them spray one of our LA State Troopers in the face with the pepper spray. The Troopers were in the act of trying to break up the fight and protect coach Mitchel at the same time. I agree this was a tough situation for any law enforcement officer, Campus Plolice included, but if the proceedure was to use the pepper spray, I have a hard time believing that they are supposed to spray it directly into the face or to pick and choose whose face to spray the stuff. I also got some contact of the stuff, but mine came from the stuff just being in the air and that is how UAPB's coach got the stuff on him. Our D Coordinator was also sprayed directly in the face with the spray while trying to gather his players. I understand that you all saw the video of one of our players throwing the first punch, and in no way do I condone this, but I can understand why he did it. After loosing a game in the fashion in which we did, and then to have the opposing team run over to your sideline and taunt you I could see how in the heat of the moment one could loose their head. A lot of us have done things in the heat of a moment that we really have regretted later, or maybe that player and me are the only ones....but once that happened well then at that point you are expecting 17 to 21 year old young men, who have not yet come down from a very intense battle to all of a sudden just instantly become alter boys...it just doen't usually happen that way....again I agree that it was the wrong thing to do and he should be punished for his actions, because we should have to pay for our wrong doings, but again I do understand the situation.
 
IB4DemJags said:
this is true....when the fight started the first thing the campus police did was start spraying and they were not spraying randomly in the air, they were spraying directly into SU player's faces....then I personally witnessed them spray one of our LA State Troopers in the face with the pepper spray. The Troopers were in the act of trying to break up the fight and protect coach Mitchel at the same time. I agree this was a tough situation for any law enforcement officer, Campus Plolice included, but if the proceedure was to use the pepper spray, I have a hard time believing that they are supposed to spray it directly into the face or to pick and choose whose face to spray the stuff. I also got some contact of the stuff, but mine came from the stuff just being in the air and that is how UAPB's coach got the stuff on him. Our D Coordinator was also sprayed directly in the face with the spray while trying to gather his players. I understand that you all saw the video of one of our players throwing the first punch, and in no way do I condone this, but I can understand why he did it. After loosing a game in the fashion in which we did, and then to have the opposing team run over to your sideline and taunt you I could see how in the heat of the moment one could loose their head. A lot of us have done things in the heat of a moment that we really have regretted later, or maybe that player and me are the only ones....but once that happened well then at that point you are expecting 17 to 21 year old young men, who have not yet come down from a very intense battle to all of a sudden just instantly become alter boys...it just doen't usually happen that way....again I agree that it was the wrong thing to do and he should be punished for his actions, because we should have to pay for our wrong doings, but again I do understand the situation.
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Finally, a response that makes sense from a person who was there. Your story is more in line with what the State Trooper who was sprayed told me.
 
ALPHA3 said:
Finally, a response that makes sense from a person who was there. Your story is more in line with what the State Trooper who was sprayed told me.
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I think it's safe to say just ignore all of the hearsay. This thing has taken on a life of it's own. Let's talk about how UAPB players were running on the field before the last play was over, I'm just saying. I remember us being called for the same thing maybe like 4 years ago in PB after a blocked kick.
 
I remember my junior year of college we played Alcorn State. We won the game. So our coaches have us gather into short left field for our post-game meeting. All of a sudden one of our guys sees our trainer in a scuffle with a couple of the opposing players in the visitors dugout.

ALL of us sprint from left field to the visitors dugout to confront those guys on the other team.

I mean, all heck is breaking loose. Punches were thrown, objects were used, there was kicking...the whole nine yards. The whole time our coach is screaming at us to not get involved.

NONE of us listened to him. We saw someone on our side in dire straights and proceeded to aid him.

A coach can preach discipline all he wants all day. However, once something happens, nine times out of 10, the athletes on the field will react based on instinct.

There was another case where we got into it with Grambling State. I'm on the bench and two seconds later I'm running on the field with the rest of my teammates right in the middle of everything.

I think athletes get involved in these fights or whatever to stick up for themselves and their teammates for the most part. Sure, it might be stupid, but few actually consider the consequences in the heat of the moment when the situation is developing so quickly.
 
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