SWAC parity?


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The days of yesteryear are over folx. The cellar dwellers have put forth the effort to 'shine' yet some want to downplay as "a down year in the SWAC" recently. Exactly what is that? lol :lol: A down year in the whole conference? :lol: I guess that's the exact same logic other ACCers used to downplay Wake's turnaround. Guess people never thought to look @ the talent across from them to know that maybe.... just maybe that team was more talented and had better coaching during that particular moment in time?

I think this fall is going to be a great surprise to a lot of folx. :) It's quite natural to assume that quite a few folx will <b>attempt</b> to downplay and call it a "down year" in the SWAC. In all <b>factuality</b> lol, it won't be a down year. Maybe... just maybe it will have something to do w/ superior coaching and superior talent @ this present date in time. Look across the ball and admire. I don't seem to recall saying it was down year when SU had those recent championships and were HIGHLY ranked in the national polls. Ditto for Grambling and their stretch starting this current millenium.

Congrats to Bama A&M on the 2006 championship and UAPB for taking the SWAC West crown! Good luck to all SWAC teams this fall. Except when you face our PV Panthers....because <b><font color=purple>WE ARE........</font></b>
 
P the SWAC did not place a team in the top 25. We weren't even top 30. Say what you want Parity is one thing. But if our champion is not considered top 25 then it's a down year.
 



Panthro said:
The days of yesteryear are over folx. The cellar dwellers have put forth the effort to 'shine' yet some want to downplay as "a down year in the SWAC" recently. Exactly what is that? lol :lol: A down year in the whole conference? :lol: I guess that's the exact same logic other ACCers used to downplay Wake's turnaround. Guess people never thought to look @ the talent across from them to know that maybe.... just maybe that team was more talented and had better coaching during that particular moment in time?

I think this fall is going to be a great surprise to a lot of folx. :) It's quite natural to assume that quite a few folx will <b>attempt</b> to downplay and call it a "down year" in the SWAC. In all <b>factuality</b> lol, it won't be a down year. Maybe... just maybe it will have something to do w/ superior coaching and superior talent @ this present date in time. Look across the ball and admire. I don't seem to recall saying it was down year when SU had those recent championships and were HIGHLY ranked in the national polls. Ditto for Grambling and their stretch starting this current millenium.

Congrats to Bama A&M on the 2006 championship and UAPB for taking the SWAC West crown! Good luck to all SWAC teams this fall. Except when you face our PV Panthers....because <b><font color=purple>WE ARE........</font></b>
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2005 was actually a down year too but Grambling was still a great champion...going 11-1 in convincing fashion. If the conference did have another good team, it would have been hard for that team to beat Grambling. They beat the second best team 100-0. In 2003 and 2004, you had SWAC champs and runner-ups who not only did well in conference but also out of conference. You won't know if a year is a down year until the season is over. I expect this year to be only a little better than last but like it or not, the conference will rest on how well JSU and Grambling do because I don't see much room for improvement from the Tx Schools, Valley, or Alcorn to make them divisional contenders. SU and AlaState claim they will be better. For the sake of the conference, I hope so. Too many down years in a row is not good. AAMU and UAPB should be about the same as last year and (no smack intended), we need some better teams than that.

At the end of the year, I would at least like to be able to say that we had at LEAST one good team in each division. I don't think anyone can say that we did in 2006. Having two good teams in each division would be great but we have not seen that scenerio since 2001.
 
shawiggi said:
P the SWAC did not place a team in the top 25. We weren't even top 30. Say what you want Parity is one thing. But if our champion is not considered top 25 then it's a down year.
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Yeah, he is right about the parity and in some cases, parity is good but last year's parity in the SWAC was not good.
 
Tigerpride said:
Yeah, he is right about the parity and in some cases, parity is good but last year's parity in the SWAC was not good.
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Parity is all through the NFL but do they have down years?
AAMU is happy they beat the big three and TNSU yet all four of those teams were a shell of their former selves. Had nothing to do with Parity.

Grambling should have won the west but Spears poor coaching lost it. Grambling should have beat Hampton which would have made the SWAC MEAC Champs.:happydance: That was not parity that was stupid coaching.

TNSU hasn't been the same since they went undefeated. LC left them in shambles and they still trying to make it back. Not parity

JSU fighting back from a poor coaching dicision. Oh we have not won a championship in ten years but we still beat a lot of teams in the last 10 years even with the 3 bell years. Not Parity

SU-maybe the only team that would fall under this catergory. Same head coach,mostly the same coaching staff. Build leads can't hold them. Loose to former doormats and D2. A victim of Parity.

Alabama State-Great D no Offense-Parity

AAMU- Good D not great, decent offense- Did they get better? with loses to Valley and PV. Parity

Just Admit it and move on. The SWAC was down last year.
 
Parity my mouf. Mediocrity is more like it.

We'll see once these new coaches get established in the conference. If Comegy and Broadway come in and run ruffshod over the conference then Parity is a mistress in a catholic cathedral.
 
Some mentioned poor coaching...but doesn't that fit into the equation. Having the right guy making the right decisions to get the win is HUGE!

I don't know if there is parity, but I do believe that we have more competitive balance. By that I mean that no team is a sure win anymore... No smack, but check out PV last year who beat SU (early in the season when the jags were still in contention) and also them beating eventual champ AAMU. Then consider that JSU was on a serious opening roll until an eventual 3-8 Grambling team won in convincing fashion...only to go to TxSU shortly thereafter and get our azzes handed to us. Not because it was a down year, but because of competitive balance (in other words, bring your "A" game cuz ain't nobody winning on talent alone anymore).

Some say that the SWAC is down...we hear it from outsiders so we accept it as being true. Pollsters didn't include A&M in the top 25 and we accept it as gospel...Why? I can agree that they might be dropped because they lost a lot of players, but it is more a product of others viewing us as less than a quality conference. UAPB returns a lot of their skill guys and Comegys seems to have stocked the cupboard over in Jackson. However, we (as a conference) still get no respect in the polls...cool, it's just up to us to prove otherwise. But until we do... let's stop belittling our conference when the traditional powers are not winning the championship. Let's give credit to whomever wins it... because they earned it on the field.

Now next year, once the mandate is left...then we get a chance to schedule more out of conference games. Then let's make sure we do things the old SWAC way... Let's whup a futhamucka's azz!
 
MikeBigg said:
But until we do... let's stop belittling our conference when the traditional powers are not winning the championship. Let's give credit to whomever wins it... because they earned it on the field.
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some people dont understand that concept because they are jealous for whatever reason their team didnt win and until they win it they will always think its a down year..

which is sad and dumb at the same time!
 
MikeBigg said:
Some mentioned poor coaching...but doesn't that fit into the equation. Having the right guy making the right decisions to get the win is HUGE!

I don't know if there is parity, but I do believe that we have more competitive balance. By that I mean that no team is a sure win anymore... No smack, but check out PV last year who beat SU (early in the season when the jags were still in contention) and also them beating eventual champ AAMU. Then consider that JSU was on a serious opening roll until an eventual 3-8 Grambling team won in convincing fashion...only to go to TxSU shortly thereafter and get our azzes handed to us. Not because it was a down year, but because of competitive balance (in other words, bring your "A" game cuz ain't nobody winning on talent alone anymore).

Some say that the SWAC is down...we hear it from outsiders so we accept it as being true. Pollsters didn't include A&M in the top 25 and we accept it as gospel...Why? I can agree that they might be dropped because they lost a lot of players, but it is more a product of others viewing us as less than a quality conference. UAPB returns a lot of their skill guys and Comegys seems to have stocked the cupboard over in Jackson. However, we (as a conference) still get no respect in the polls...cool, it's just up to us to prove otherwise. But until we do... let's stop belittling our conference when the traditional powers are not winning the championship. Let's give credit to whomever wins it... because they earned it on the field.

Now next year, once the mandate is left...then we get a chance to schedule more out of conference games. Then let's make sure we do things the old SWAC way... Let's whup a futhamucka's azz!
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Competitive balance.... Parity..... Parody? lol Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

Talent's on the rise and so is good coaching. No Saturday game is an instant "W" like back in the day for certain teams.

You're right Bigg. Gotta' bring that "A" game every single Saturday or you'll get an "L."
 
AAMU Alum said:
And why is that? (I can just imagine what kind of ridiculous response I'm gonna get.)

:( :smh:
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STC and Shawiggii answered the question.

1. When parity is good....everyone is good. (that is what Shawiggi said)

2. When parity is bad...everyone is bad (that is what STC said)


In 2006, the SWAC was #2. I find it amazing that the AAMU people seem to think they had a good team last year. :confused: If anything, JSU fans are the MOST critical of JSU sports. If we had put that product on the field, we would STILL be in our coaches azz. Little do you guys know that when JSU was 5-1 last year, we KNEW our team was not good. Our private forum was rocking and many JSU fans were trying to warn our coaching staff that their methods were not working. They didn't listen until the bottom fell out. Winning in Jackson is more than wins and losses. You have to be prepared to play against anyone at any time. AAMU fans need to be more like that than trying to call people jealous. Your team was simply not good. I would have put AlaState or GSU 2004 and 2005 squads up against Hampton' 2004 and 2005 squads but not AAMU's 2006 squad against their 2006 squad. You won the conference for a reason and we simply have to do better. If you had won and people could honestly say you won becasue you got better, that would be one thing but you didn't get better.
 
Panthro said:
Competitive balance.... Parity..... Parody? lol Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

Talent's on the rise and so is good coaching. No Saturday game is an instant "W" like back in the day for certain teams.

You're right Bigg. Gotta' bring that "A" game every single Saturday or you'll get an "L."
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Years ago...my oldest son (was 18 or 19 at that time) was discussing SWAC football and the talent that's in the league. He said..."Dad, the SWAC still has talent on the field, but the coaches gameplan too much off athletic ability and not based on execution". I pressed him further and he said "The SWAC is a skill position conference... all the emphasis is on the big play instead of a series of small small plays to keep the chains moving and manage the clock".

I thought about that and I remembered the Eddie Rob coached teams of my youth and college days. Coach killed people with those 3 and 4 yard gains by the fullback, a quick outside run or two by the tailback, a counter with the wingback ang finally coming back off the same look and throwing a pass for a big gain or score. People ranted and raved about the big passing plays (and they were important) but it was the steady progression down the field that made the GMEN hard to defend. Same thing with Pete when he first came into the league... his teams were fundamentally sound --run game, intermediate passes, and a defense geared to make you have to drive down the field. That last aspect was key because the SWAC had become a "big play" oriented league... Pete limited a team's big plays by controlling the tempo and defending to make sure your third down play was third and long. As frustration mounted...offenses pressed more and more and played right into Pete's hand. But he got "swacified" and changed his offense to the "racehorse" style that became in vogue. I think he and others are going back to a more conventional offense geared to emphasizing execution as opposed to excitement. Don't get me wrong...we will always have big plays in this league because we do recruit good skill position folk. But we just need to learn not to force things... win by getting the most out of each possession while forcing your opponent to dig a deeper hole by going for the big play.
 
MikeBigg said:
However, we (as a conference) still get no respect in the polls...cool, it's just up to us to prove otherwise.
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We do get respect in the polls. AAMU is the first not to. Maybe had they not lost to PV and Valley....

When is the last time a SWAC champ had THREE SWAC losses and then had another teams' player (TxSo) avoid a 4th loss?
 
MikeBigg said:
I thought about that and I remembered the Eddie Rob coached teams of my youth and college days. Coach killed people with those 3 and 4 yard gains by the fullback, a quick outside run or two by the tailback, a counter with the wingback ang finally coming back off the same look and throwing a pass for a big gain or score. People ranted and raved about the big passing plays (and they were important) but it was the steady progression down the field that made the GMEN hard to defend. Same thing with Pete when he first came into the league... his teams were fundamentally sound --run game, intermediate passes, and a defense geared to make you have to drive down the field. That last aspect was key because the SWAC had become a "big play" oriented league... Pete limited a team's big plays by controlling the tempo and defending to make sure your third down play was third and long. As frustration mounted...offenses pressed more and more and played right into Pete's hand. But he got "swacified" and changed his offense to the "racehorse" style that became in vogue. I think he and others are going back to a more conventional offense geared to emphasizing execution as opposed to excitement. Don't get me wrong...we will always have big plays in this league because we do recruit good skill position folk. But we just need to learn not to force things... win by getting the most out of each possession while forcing your opponent to dig a deeper hole by going for the big play.
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This is what we thought we were getting with Bell.
 



Just as I said...a RIDICULOUS response.

It was fully expected, so there is no suprise.

So sad and pityful.

:smh:
 
AAMU Alum said:
Just as I said...a RIDICULOUS response.

It was fully expected, so there is no suprise.

So sad and pityful.

:smh:
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Dude, I am NOT the only person who feels that way. Maybe I am the most vocal but how many people here have come to AAMU's defense and say that they were a good team last year? People don't like TP so if I was wrong, I would have been called out about it a LONG time ago from people other than AAMU.
 
I see you just keep piling on the stupidity and ignorance, don't you? But then again, you don't know any better.

Po (sad and pityful) you!
 
I don't expect every team to win the scg this year or any year. But atleast give a fighting chance.

Its not belittling or wahtever folks wanna call it .

Its called the Truth.

Im waitin on NOVE 10 to get here.

We can cry about he polls all day long but until We stat whooping these folks Iaint goin on AGS yapping and my team can't beat nobody and aint ranked either.

Coaching is the majotr reason why. This conference has never lacked talent. It has lacked sound coaching.

Mark Bradley is the biggest soundboard for my arguement. He left UAPB and went to OU and played his ass off.

Imagine a lil coaching.

James Bell send help!!!!

Dont get me started on SWAC coaching.
 
Tigerpride said:
Dude, I am NOT the only person who feels that way. Maybe I am the most vocal but how many people here have come to AAMU's defense and say that they were a good team last year? People don't like TP so if I was wrong, I would have been called out about it a LONG time ago from people other than AAMU.
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A&M got better last year as the season progressed... imo, what hurts them is their impatience on defense. Unlike most teams in the league that look for the big play on offense, A&M seems to look for the big play on defense a bit too much. Personally, I think yall blitz too much...it's fine if it works, but can mean a huge gainer for the offense if it doesn't.

When A&M first entered the league, your defenses were aggressive but they didn't try to blitz regardless of down and distance every time yall needed a stop. It could be 3rd and 15 and you guys brought the house... that always caused problems for yall against Grambling cuz we can chunk the ball. Anyone that keeps leaving the back four in man coverage (especially when your blitzes are so predictable) is asking for trouble. Yall don't give an offense a chance to mess up by having to keep a sustained drive... the more plays an offense has to run to score, the more chances they have to turn it over or get a penalty that takes them out of scoring position.

Just my opinion...
 
TRU3000 said:
:no::lol::lol::lol:

thats the thing!!! no one listens to you when you talk football cuz you are always wrong!
and whomever goes along with it is a lunatic and they believe ketchup is really red mustard.
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Isn't it strange that in one post, this looney will say something like what he posted "that's what we thought we were getting with Bell," and then in another, he (and his flunkies) will use that same Bell as an excuse for their "pityful-ness?"

I don't know why, but I really thought this kid would have tired of making an imbecile out of himself on this forum on the daily by now.

:smh:
 
i mean are we suppose to wait on jsue to have a "good team"? who is the person who "officially confirms" that lol

...like i said a buncha bs rhetoric
 
MikeBigg said:
A&M got better last year as the season progressed... imo, what hurts them is their impatience on defense.
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If you call losing to PV getting better... :confused:

What hurts them is their lack of talent (mainly) and poor coaching (to a lesser degree).
 
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