Southern University One of Southeast's Hidden Gems


@JAG89 JSU is focused on increasing out of state enrollment. They know now Mississippi's declining population is no longer good enough to keep them afloat. They basically waived all out of state fees starting this past fall to increase out of state enrollment ... they recruit heavy in Texas and Georgia.


@JAGSC Facilities are part of recruitment. You think when students tour campus that doesn't play a factor in them attending LOL? NCAT has a large non-African American population largely due to the fact it offers unique programs not available at nearby public colleges. For example, NCAT is the only public engineering and architecture institution in the northern region of NC. But also NCAT campus is really nice so that can't be ignored.

@JAG89 BR is majority black but the economic power is all-white. BR doesn't have a powerful enough black community that can make things happen economically without pandering to white folks. White people won't invest heavily in North BR period. Why you think there's not even a hospital to serve the NBR community? And do you know of anything close to a thriving black business district in BR b/c I don't know of any. Even the Asians have one and they been in BR for a shorter period of time. Also it doesn't help most educated black folks in BR don't want anything to do with NBR outside of SU, they reside and send their kids to schools outside the area. TSU got lucky b/c we're near UH and Downtown/Midtown so enough powerful white people come our way for them be invested in helping us revitalize the community we reside in.

@jag4life I'm pretty sure that plan ain't going anywhere. I read about so many plans for YEARS about them revitalizing NBR that fall apart. The black leaders are going to have to think of something amazing and damn near perfect for the face of NBR to change which is highly unlikely so don't get yo hopes up. The best idea is for black leaders to form a strategic partnership with the leaders of BTR airport to get something going ... for people flying into BR, NBR is the first impression of the city so it's important it looks good right?
 
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Hey tsugraytiger, you have spent a geat deal of your time in this forum trying to bash SU while at the same time trying to uplift TSU and Jackson State. I, for one, am not impressed with your antics. Those of us who are graduates of SU know what is the situation at SU without your imput. There is nothing you can tell us about SU that we don't already know or cannot find out. You obviously spend much time diggng up information about SU and the city of Baton Rouge. To the contrary, I know little about TSU, because that university is simply not that important to me to spend my time researching it. Don't get me wrong, having a nice physical infrastructure, as Texas Southern has, is the desire of every institution. You are right, it helps with recruitment, and consequently, enrollment! TSU and JSU are not perfect institutions! Not even close! If shiny new buildings were the hallmark of the university, then TSU would have higher academic rankings and a better reputation and higher level of respect right there in the immediate Houston area. Yes, SU went through an unfortunate failed gubernatorial administration (Bobby Jindal) that led to some degree of decline in its physical plant. Nonetheless, we have experienced a 7% to 10% enrollment increase the past 2 to 3 years. Today, 7031 udergraduate and graduate students and 800 law students call SU home. By comparison, as you have so aptly noted, TSU's enrollment has flatlined recently, and JSU's enrollment has seen a decline. Truth be told, SU's intellectual, economic, political and athletic prowess, its facilities notwithstanding, has set a standard by which other hbcus measure themselves. Few hbcus have experienced SU's global reach intellectually, economically, politically, or athletically. SU is one of the foremost hucus in the South/Southwest, and in the country, and one of the current faces of the Southwestern Athletic Conference.
 
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Hey tsugraytiger, the economic power in Baton Rouge is not all white, as you allege. Nowhere is that true in the Southern United States. Now the economic power might not parallel the percenage of the population that black folk make up, but nowhere is the economic power all white in this region of the country. You also said that you were "pretty sure that the current plan to revitalize NBR wasn't going anywhere." Who asked you? And why should anyone care about what you think about our community, a community in which you do not live? To hell with what you think!
 
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@JAG89 JSU is focused on increasing out of state enrollment. They know now Mississippi's declining population is no longer good enough to keep them afloat. They basically waived all out of state fees starting this past fall to increase out of state enrollment ... they recruit heavy in Texas and Georgia.


@JAGSC Facilities are part of recruitment. You think when students tour campus that doesn't play a factor in them attending LOL? NCAT has a large non-African American population largely due to the fact it offers unique programs not available at nearby public colleges. For example, NCAT is the only public engineering and architecture institution in the northern region of NC. But also NCAT campus is really nice so that can't be ignored.

@JAG89 BR is majority black but the economic power is all-white. BR doesn't have a powerful enough black community that can make things happen economically without pandering to white folks. White people won't invest heavily in North BR period. Why you think there's not even a hospital to serve the NBR community? And do you know of anything close to a thriving black business district in BR b/c I don't know of any. Even the Asians have one and they been in BR for a shorter period of time. Also it doesn't help most educated black folks in BR don't want anything to do with NBR outside of SU, they reside and send their kids to schools outside the area. TSU got lucky b/c we're near UH and Downtown/Midtown so enough powerful white people come our way for them be invested in helping us revitalize the community we reside in.

@jag4life I'm pretty sure that plan ain't going anywhere. I read about so many plans for YEARS about them revitalizing NBR that fall apart. The black leaders are going to have to think of something amazing and damn near perfect for the face of NBR to change which is highly unlikely so don't get yo hopes up. The best idea is for black leaders to form a strategic partnership with the leaders of BTR airport to get something going ... for people flying into BR, NBR is the first impression of the city so it's important it looks good right?
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Yeah you don't know WTF you're talking about. Thanks.
 
@Earle I'm a realist and I agree TSU reputation isn't where I would like for it to be. I've said before that I'm shock with the great improvements on and around campus TSU isn't where I feel like it should be but I'm very happy with the progress that has been made and optimistic with the trajectory of the university. A lot of those high performing black kids from the state's top rated high schools who would have not considered TSU at all 15 years ago or actually considering it as viable option today ... I see some of them in our Honors College which I'm a proud alum of as well.

However I'm concerned with the trajectory of SU for good reason but that's my opinion and this is an opinion forum. Also I spoke facts, everything I stated can be backed up, nothing I said has been disproven. So if some of ya'll want to make me a target for ya'll misguided frustrations than so be it and since I'm invested in the success of all HBCUs not just my own I felt the facts needed to be laid out so the right conversations can be had on how to improve the problems. I said all I wanted to say anyway. I hope SU actually gets to the point where I'm happy with the trajectory of the school because there is so much potential there.

As a black man in America, I don't have the luxury of only caring about one HBCU ... I got to care about them all b/c they are the backbone of the black community which I care about a lot. I love black people.
 
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@Earle I'm a realist and I agree TSU reputation isn't where I would like for it to be. I've said before that I'm shock with the great improvements on and around campus TSU isn't where I feel like it should be but I'm very happy with the progress that has been made and optimistic with the trajectory of the university. A lot of those high performing black kids from the state's top rated high schools who would have not considered TSU at all 15 years ago or actually considering it as viable option today ... I see some of them in our Honors College which I'm a proud alum of as well.

However I'm concerned with the trajectory of SU for good reason but that's my opinion and this is an opinion forum. Also I spoke facts, everything I stated can be backed up, nothing I said has been disproven. So if some of ya'll want to make me a target for ya'll misguided frustrations than so be it and since I'm invested in the success of all HBCUs not just my own I felt the facts needed to be laid out so the right conversations can be had on how to improve the problems. I said all I wanted to say anyway. I hope SU actually gets to the point where I'm happy with the trajectory of the school because there is so much potential there.

As a black man in America, I don't have the luxury of only caring about one HBCU ... I got to care about them all b/c they are the backbone of the black community which I care about a lot. I love black people.
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Yeah, right! The only people whose opinions matter about the trajectory of SU are SU's people.
 
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For Southern to be the only HBCU on the list of hidden gems in the Southeast and ranked 4 out of 10, it speaks volumes on how others see Southern academically. That alone has a recruitment value outside Black communities. It's not by accident that Southern's enrollment continues to rise even after being stripped of a substantial amount of state funds during Jindal's administration. IMO, Southern is in better shape than most now that it has figured out how to operate and continue to grow with a much smaller amount of state funds as a public HBCU. And the real beauty, SU's tuition is still relatively affordable, which provides an opportunity for some who probably couldn't afford anywhere else and graduate from degree programs with the assurance of a high dollar salary in the job market.
 
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@JAG89 JSU is focused on increasing out of state enrollment. They know now Mississippi's declining population is no longer good enough to keep them afloat. They basically waived all out of state fees starting this past fall to increase out of state enrollment ... they recruit heavy in Texas and Georgia.

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This right here is enough to prove that you are full of sh!t. According to U.S. Census Bureau, Mississippi's overall population increased by 0.3% from April 1, 2010 to July 1, 2019.

Overall population Change from 2010 to 2019.
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This right here is enough to prove that you are full sh!t. According to U.S. Census Bureau, Mississippi's overall population increased by 0.3% from April 1, 2010 to July 1, 2019.

Overall population Change from 2010 to 2019.
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0.3% doesn't even qualify for real growth sir because there is a margin of error that can easily erase that. Again ya'll issue isn't with me ... it's the facts I reported no one has been able to disprove. I find it hilarious ya'll are so bothered by this and I'm not LOL .... you would've thought I said I wish SU needs to shut down which I never said anything close to that ... some of ya'll need to relax and chill b/c I stand by what I stated about SU/NBR and it's not gonna change until I see FACTS stating different.

I haven't used vulgar language towards anyone in this forum community so I feel I deserve that same courtesy ... real classy and mature move Jag89. It's possible to disagree respectively just FYI.

And below is an article from 2020 disputing that minuscule and questionable 0.3%
mspolicy.org

Mississippi population decline continues. What can we do to break the cycle?

Mississippi suffered its fourth population decline over the past five years in 2019. According to new estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau, the state’s population declined by 4,871, the sixth highest total in the country. Mississippi and neighboring Louisiana, which saw a decrease of 10,896...
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0.3% doesn't even qualify for real growth sir because there is a margin of error that can easily erase that. Again ya'll issue isn't with me ... it's the facts I reported no one has been able to disprove. I find it hilarious ya'll are so bothered by this and I'm not LOL .... you would've thought I said I wish SU needs to shut down which I never said anything close to that ... some of ya'll need to relax and chill b/c I stand by what I stated about SU/NBR and it's not gonna change until I see FACTS stating different.

I haven't used vulgar language towards anyone in this forum community so I feel I deserve that same courtesy ... real classy and mature move Jag89. It's possible to disagree respectively just FYI.

And below is an article from 2020 disputing that minuscule and questionable 0.3%
mspolicy.org

Mississippi population decline continues. What can we do to break the cycle?

Mississippi suffered its fourth population decline over the past five years in 2019. According to new estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau, the state’s population declined by 4,871, the sixth highest total in the country. Mississippi and neighboring Louisiana, which saw a decrease of 10,896...
mspolicy.org mspolicy.org
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That 0.3% population increase comes from the United States Census Bureau. I think you are basing your facts on some article instead of actual statistical data. Even so, the article you posted states that Louisiana is experiencing an even larger decline than Mississippi, but both Southern and Grambling are experiencing growth. Also, the State of South Carolina is experiencing the largest population growth of all southern states, but South Carolina State University has experienced a drastic decline in enrollment. As I stated, you are full of it, since your theory on a state's decline in population has nothing to do with the growth of an university.
 
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As someone that lives in the Spartanburg Greenville area , the UPSTATE is one of the fastest-growing corridors in the Southeast nestled between two major cities in Charlotte and Atlanta

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but South Carolina state honestly has just been surpassed. In the coastal corridor you have CCU that has become one of the popular choices among students

In the UPSTATE of South Carolina USC Spartanburg is probably the youngest University in the State founded in the 1970s and is one of the fastest-growing universities in the southeast they already have the largest BSN program in the state and in a few years will break away from the USC system like CCU did.

Our HBCUS needs to do better, Yes the State of SC could have funded the school more, but the State has bailed SC State out many times and they have given funding for several buildings in campus. SU and GSU were worse off then STATE.

View: https://youtu.be/uiOq79SAmig


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And let me just clear the air because something that I cannot stand is when HBCUS give out false information.

If it wasn't for the Ayers case in Mississippi I can tell you that Jackson State facilities would be subpar, it wasn't like Jackson State had donors putting in 10, 20, 30 million dollars in their building.

And the same thing can be said for a Prairie View and Texas Southern it kills me when some of the alumni act like they're putting in millions of dollars into these buildings and the CAMPUS, when everyone knows that if it wasn't for the State of Texas actually funding your buildings and CAMPUS improvements, your campuses would be subpar.. So kudos to the State of Texas.
 
Texas Southern graduates would do well to handle their own business rather than to be so overly concerned about the plight of other hbcus. TSU seems to have all kinds of issues itself ranging from admissions, to money/scholarship mismangagement, to students being shot and killed right there on campus, to its law school, which is targeted by some to be taken away from TSU. The shootings, killings, and other violence on and near the campus have given TSU a bad name and image in the Houston area and caused many to avoid the campus altogether. Check out some news stories below:
www.wtvr.com

Photos: Texas Southern University shooting: 1 dead, 1 wounded after gunfire erupts at campus apartment

www.wtvr.com www.wtvr.com
www.houstonchronicle.com

New bombshells revealed in TSU admissions scandal

Texas Southern University awarded more than $400,000 in scholarships to poorly performing...
www.houstonchronicle.com www.houstonchronicle.com
www.texastribune.org

Admission bribes, kickbacks at heart of Texas Southern University turmoil

An internal investigation found that unqualified students were admitted and given scholarships at Texas Southern's law school and unearthed allegations of kickbacks to an admissions official. The incidents led to the ouster of university President Austin Lane.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org
 
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The issue is growth - Texas And other high growth states are attracting the alums of these schools and they live well. Most move to the suburbs and raise kids in non-majority settings where HBCUs aren’t pushed unfortunately.

then its time to go to college it’s the uphill battle. Very few of any middle class AA schools in Houston where majority of leadership is of HBCU ties. So our kids have to rely on parents and close friends with hbcu ties to push the narrative

Louisiana is desperate for students they’ll waive out of state but you lose some revenue.

Maybe it’s different in South Dallas (cedar hill, etc) as definitely not north Dallas and won’t even discuss Austin or San Antonio.
 
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