Should Stoudamire and Diaw be suspended?


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MikeBigg said:
I agree with the suspension... but truth be told, Duncan should have been suspended also. Regardless of whether an altercation occurred or not, he entered the court because of a potential altercation. What was his intent? No one can say...just as no one can honestly say what Diaw's intent was (he looked passive to me---Stoudemire's demeanor however was different). If they are gonna have such a strict interpretation then be consistent and suspend Duncan as well...especially after they had reviewed the tape and it was pointed out about Duncan.
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For Duncan....It was NOT an altercation...not even NEARLY one. Players never even faced off in front of each other.
 
ToPdOg said:
Rules and some policies do need to be looked at from time to time based on situations that were unforseen when the rule was put into place. Perfect example, the playoff system. It was changed this season from the 3 division winners in each conference getting the top 3 seeds, to the top 2 seeds being the teams with the best record regardless of conference, then the remaining division winners getting the next highest seeds, which is why Cleveland was a #2 seed this year instead of a #4 seed which is what they would've been based on last year's rules. The reason being is that a lot of people were pissed off because the teams with the 2 best records in the western conference met in the second round of the playoffs instead of the conference finals. The brawl a while back between the Pacers and the Pistons was a bench clearing brawl, but only a handful of players that participated in the altercation got suspended. Why wasn't the whole team suspended for "leaving the bench?" Rules in any sport are sometimes changed or altered based on certain situations and unforseen flaws in the way the rule is written, and the NBA is no different.
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The situations in Detroit, and in San Antonio were different because fans started the fight, and some were actually on the court as well, and it became a player safety issue. Remember Jermaine O'Neal's right hand that he threw at the fan who ran up on him on the sideline, and a few other players going after fans. Complete maylay.

You keep people on the bench because you don't know what their intent is, and what the other players intent may be. Robert Horry threw a forearm at Raja Bell because he saw Raja Bell running at him, not to say Bell was going to hit him, but being in the heat of the moment, he saw a player from the other team running at him, so he reacted. See it's not always what Diaw's, and Stoudemire's intent was, but what could've happened had they not been restrained, because they could've been hit just by running out there. In Stoudemire's case, he couldn't even get his lie straight. First he said he was off the bench because he was going to check into the game, and then he said he was going to check on Steve Nash. Which one was it?

I'm not saying that rules shouldn't be altered, or judged on a case by case basis, but when you have incidents like the Celtics/Sixers, and Rockets/Trailblazers back in the day, and like the Knicks/Heat, and more recently Knicks/Nuggets, this rule is necessary, because though one player's intention may be to break up the fight, the person he's running at may not view it that way, and in turn get his shot off first.

The bottom line though, they knew what the rule was before they left the bench, and I know emotions are running deep, but they had to be aware of the situation, and consequences that came with their actions, and that's why it's up to the coach's to make sure they didn't leave the area.

Mike Bigg I agree. I thought Duncan should've been subjected to suspension as well, and if there's anything the Suns should've been protesting, was that very thing.

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jag4life said:
For Duncan....It was NOT an altercation...not even NEARLY one. Players never even faced off in front of each other.
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No it wasn't BUT Duncan didn't know that at the time that he left the bench because of a potential altercation. I don't see any wiggle room on that one...he left the bench. The referee got between the players before they could even give each other a glance (The Suns player was headed up court and the guy from the Spurs was stopped by the official before anything could happen---not that anything was gonna happen). But Duncan didn't know this...his azz was on the court.

Time to move on though...
 
MikeBigg said:
I agree with the suspension... but truth be told, Duncan should have been suspended also. Regardless of whether an altercation occurred or not, he entered the court because of a potential altercation. What was his intent? No one can say...just as no one can honestly say what Diaw's intent was (he looked passive to me---Stoudemire's demeanor however was different). If they are gonna have such a strict interpretation then be consistent and suspend Duncan as well...especially after they had reviewed the tape and it was pointed out about Duncan.
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Dude, you must have read my post or something. I said the EXACT same thing.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Dude, you must have read my post or something. I said the EXACT same thing.
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d'antoni's lack of coaching skills throughout the game lost it for the suns.
The spurs had their worst shooting game of the season and still won the game.
D'antoni's use of one sub was flat out ridiculous. With phoenix' style of play, there's no way they could play practically an entire game without getting tired in the end. D'antoni's coaching experience should've told him this, but maybe some people don't learn as quick as others.

He could've at least subbed barbosa in the fourth on offense, while putting thomas back in on defense after a dead ball. He didn't even do that, and it cost his team the game.:smh:
 
JayRob said:
d'antoni's lack of coaching skills throughout the game lost it for the suns.
The spurs had their worst shooting game of the season and still won the game.
D'antoni's use of one sub was flat out ridiculous. With phoenix' style of play, there's no way they could play practically an entire game without getting tired in the end. D'antoni's coaching experience should've told him this, but maybe some people don't learn as quick as others.

He could've at least subbed barbosa in the fourth on offense, while putting thomas back in on defense after a dead ball. He didn't even do that, and it cost his team the game.:smh:
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The man made a coaching move and it didn't work... it very easily could have worked but didn't. He's not making excuses or blaming players...Phil Jackson send help!
 
MikeBigg said:
The man made a coaching move and it didn't work... it very easily could have worked but didn't. He's not making excuses or blaming players...Phil Jackson send help!
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You callin the right man. d'antoni could use phil's help. With all that talent, Jackson would've won a title a couple of years ago.
 
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