Should Stoudamire and Diaw be suspended?


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The Foundation said:
I think this article sums up everything there is to say about the NBA and this situation.

As much as I'd love to condemn the NBA higher-ups for ruining the Spurs-Suns series, I can't jeopardize the chances of them fixing the 2007 Lottery for my beloved Celtics. We desperately need one of the top two picks or I'm going to develop a serious drinking problem. Those are the stakes. Now, you could argue that a serious drinking problem would inject some much-needed life into my column, and you might even be right. But I'd rather avoid this scenario.

So here's my defense on the NBA's behalf ...

You can't blame them for the Stoudemire-Diaw suspensions because they correctly interpreted a stupid, idiotic, foolish, moronic, brainless, unintelligent, foolhardy, imprudent, thoughtless, obtuse and thickheaded rule. Can you blame them for having that rule in the first place? Yes. But you can't blame them for the actual interpretation -- after all, Stoudemire and Diaw did leave their bench during an altercation, just like Tom Brady's right arm was still coming down as Charles Woodson popped him in the Tuck Rule Game. Everyone knows about the leaving-the-bench rule. It's been around for more than a decade. It's the reason assistant coaches spin around during potential fights and hold their arms out like bouncers at a nightclub. It's the reason a really good Knicks team got bounced from the '97 playoffs (robbing everyone of a much-anticipated Bulls-Knicks Eastern Conference finals). It's also the reason why we haven't had a bench-clearing brawl since the rule was invented.

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And why are people blaming stern and jackson in this case, when the majority of the owners voted and approved the rule?
 
JayRob said:
And why are people blaming stern and jackson in this case, when the majority of the owners voted and approved the rule?
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Personally, I understand that there needs to be a rule in place, but it does need to be altered somewhat.
 
It's also the reason why we haven't had a bench-clearing brawl since the rule was invented.
Foundation what do you call the Pacers and the Pistons a few years back??????
 
shawiggi said:
It's also the reason why we haven't had a bench-clearing brawl since the rule was invented.
Foundation what do you call the Pacers and the Pistons a few years back??????
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What do you mean what do I call them, I don't really call them anything. Honestly I was just posting an article that I thought was very interesting, some of his points I agree with some I don't, just like the comments that you all have on this particular thread. I think they did exactly what the rule stated and that's that everyone just needs to shut up and play ball tonight, and in the off season I think this rule (among others) need to be looked at and altered to some degree. As far at whatever happened with the Pistons and Pacers I dont think they really cared about the rule and it the rule didn't seem to work to stop that incedent that is just what I got from it.
 
The Foundation said:
What do you mean what do I call them, I don't really call them anything. Honestly I was just posting an article that I thought was very interesting, some of his points I agree with some I don't, just like the comments that you all have on this particular thread. I think they did exactly what the rule stated and that's that everyone just needs to shut up and play ball tonight, and in the off season I think this rule (among others) need to be looked at and altered to some degree. As far at whatever happened with the Pistons and Pacers I dont think they really cared about the rule and it the rule didn't seem to work to stop that incedent that is just what I got from it.
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Nuff said!!!! :lecture:
 
D'Antoni rips ruling; Amare, Diaw accept it


PHOENIX (AP) - Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw accepted their one-game suspension with little criticism on Wednesday. Their coach had plenty to say.

"You know we do have the most powerful microscopes and telescopes in the world in Arizona," Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni said after the Suns' morning shootaround. "You could use those instruments and not find a shred of fairness or common sense in that decision."

The NBA suspended Stoudemire and Diaw for Wednesday night's Game 5 of what's become an intense, rough Western Conference semifinal series against the San Antonio Spurs.

The two violated an NBA rule by leaving the bench area after Robert Horry's flagrant foul on Steve Nash in the final seconds of Phoenix's 104-98 victory in Game 4, a win that tied the series at 2-2.

Horry was suspended for Game 5 and Friday night's Game 6.

Commissioner David Stern canceled his scheduled trip to Phoenix for Game 5. He plans to go to Cleveland instead.

While acknowledging their two players broke the rule, the Suns believe they got the worst of an incident instigated by the Spurs.

"We definitely got punished for what they did," Stoudemire said. "But I guess that's the rules right now where it stands, and I have no control over it."

The rule, strictly enforced in the past, is aimed at preventing a fight from escalating into a full-scale brawl.

"I know for a fact that Boris Diaw would never, ever be in a fight," D'Antoni said. "I know that. To suspend him for going to Steve Nash, for looking and curiosity, that's a little harsh."

The Frenchman Diaw said he could not remember being in a fight, even as a kid.

"I've been in the NBA for four years and I haven't got even one technical foul," Diaw said. "I was just looking to see that Steve was all right."

But he agreed he should have known better than to walk toward Nash.

"You fight against your instincts, but you've got to overcome that," Diaw said. "That was my mistake to walk a few feet toward Steve."

Stoudemire abandoned his excuse that he was trying to check in to the game.

"I know you can't step on the court and at that time it was a natural reaction," he said. "I was more concerned about Steve's health, and I got penalized for it."

Stoudemire said he would watch the game from his restaurant, "Stoudemire's Downtown," across the street from US Airways Center.

Meanwhile, Horry said he was "an old school guy" and that in his early years, his foul would have been no big deal. He said he bumped Nash when he realized he wouldn't be able to get in front of him to draw an offensive foul.

"If it would have been anybody but Steve Nash, it probably wouldn't have been two games," he said after the Spurs shootaround. "But you know Steve is a great player, MVP. He's a focal point of the NBA now and they just have to protect their players."


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That part in bold says alot about that guy. He still dont believe he did anything wrong. Spurs = dirty players

And Horry, that was more than just a "bump". Nash has been getting "bumped" all throughout this series. That dude put his forearm, shoulder, and weight into that......... "bump".
 
Blacknbengal said:
D'Antoni rips ruling; Amare, Diaw accept it


PHOENIX (AP) - Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw accepted their one-game suspension with little criticism on Wednesday. Their coach had plenty to say.

"You know we do have the most powerful microscopes and telescopes in the world in Arizona," Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni said after the Suns' morning shootaround. "You could use those instruments and not find a shred of fairness or common sense in that decision."

The NBA suspended Stoudemire and Diaw for Wednesday night's Game 5 of what's become an intense, rough Western Conference semifinal series against the San Antonio Spurs.

The two violated an NBA rule by leaving the bench area after Robert Horry's flagrant foul on Steve Nash in the final seconds of Phoenix's 104-98 victory in Game 4, a win that tied the series at 2-2.

Horry was suspended for Game 5 and Friday night's Game 6.

Commissioner David Stern canceled his scheduled trip to Phoenix for Game 5. He plans to go to Cleveland instead.

While acknowledging their two players broke the rule, the Suns believe they got the worst of an incident instigated by the Spurs.

"We definitely got punished for what they did," Stoudemire said. "But I guess that's the rules right now where it stands, and I have no control over it."

The rule, strictly enforced in the past, is aimed at preventing a fight from escalating into a full-scale brawl.

"I know for a fact that Boris Diaw would never, ever be in a fight," D'Antoni said. "I know that. To suspend him for going to Steve Nash, for looking and curiosity, that's a little harsh."

The Frenchman Diaw said he could not remember being in a fight, even as a kid.

"I've been in the NBA for four years and I haven't got even one technical foul," Diaw said. "I was just looking to see that Steve was all right."

But he agreed he should have known better than to walk toward Nash.

"You fight against your instincts, but you've got to overcome that," Diaw said. "That was my mistake to walk a few feet toward Steve."

Stoudemire abandoned his excuse that he was trying to check in to the game.

"I know you can't step on the court and at that time it was a natural reaction," he said. "I was more concerned about Steve's health, and I got penalized for it."

Stoudemire said he would watch the game from his restaurant, "Stoudemire's Downtown," across the street from US Airways Center.

Meanwhile, Horry said he was "an old school guy" and that in his early years, his foul would have been no big deal. He said he bumped Nash when he realized he wouldn't be able to get in front of him to draw an offensive foul.

"If it would have been anybody but Steve Nash, it probably wouldn't have been two games," he said after the Spurs shootaround. "But you know Steve is a great player, MVP. He's a focal point of the NBA now and they just have to protect their players."


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That part in bold says alot about that guy. He still dont believe he did anything wrong. Spurs = dirty players

And Horry, that was more than just a "bump". Nash has been getting "bumped" all throughout this series. That dude put his forearm, shoulder, and weight into that......... "bump".
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Beans, I am not siding with the Spurs on this. But Horry is right to a certain extent. He deserved to be suspended but I think for only 1 game. But since it was Nash he hit, he got more. If he had bumped Diaw like that it would be only one. I wish the NBA could have a rule where maybe the players have to sit out a half instead of a whole game. But such is life.

LOL at punk arse Stern for not manning up to go to Phoenix and changed his plans to show up in Cleveland. Be hard Stern. Coward. LOL. Just take Barkley with you and he can protect you from Phoenix fans. I bet the NFL commish wouldn't be scared. LOL.

The Suns coach is going to get hit with a big fine. But I can understand him saying what his players want to say but can't. Oh well.
 
JR said:
Beans, I am not siding with the Spurs on this. But Horry is right to a certain extent. He deserved to be suspended but I think for only 1 game. But since it was Nash he hit, he got more. If he had bumped Diaw like that it would be only one. I wish the NBA could have a rule where maybe the players have to sit out a half instead of a whole game. But such is life.

LOL at punk arse Stern for not manning up to go to Phoenix and changed his plans to show up in Cleveland. Be hard Stern. Coward. LOL. Just take Barkley with you and he can protect you from Phoenix fans. I bet the NFL commish wouldn't be scared. LOL.

The Suns coach is going to get hit with a big fine. But I can understand him saying what his players want to say but can't. Oh well.
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But JR, the dude is STILL saying that he did nothing wrong. It's Steve's fault because he "flopped" and went into the scorer's table. Now how do that sound? If the dude never pushed him (with the game out of reach), then he wouldnt have went into the scorer's table.

Take a look at this JR. Even Horry said that he couldnt properly get in front of Nash for the charging foul. So why bump the man with only a few seconds left in the entire game? Why not let him just run the clock out? The game was out of reach for those few seconds.
 
Blacknbengal said:
D'Antoni rips ruling; Amare, Diaw accept it


PHOENIX (AP) - Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw accepted their one-game suspension with little criticism on Wednesday. Their coach had plenty to say.

"You know we do have the most powerful microscopes and telescopes in the world in Arizona," Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni said after the Suns' morning shootaround. "You could use those instruments and not find a shred of fairness or common sense in that decision."

Meanwhile, Horry said he was "an old school guy" and that in his early years, his foul would have been no big deal. He said he bumped Nash when he realized he wouldn't be able to get in front of him to draw an offensive foul.
"If it would have been anybody but Steve Nash, it probably wouldn't have been two games," he said after the Spurs shootaround. "But you know Steve is a great player, MVP. He's a focal point of the NBA now and they just have to protect their players."


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That part in bold says alot about that guy. He still dont believe he did anything wrong. Spurs = dirty players

And Horry, that was more than just a "bump". Nash has been getting "bumped" all throughout this series. That dude put his forearm, shoulder, and weight into that......... "bump".
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First of all, d'antoni's statement is on the wrong post. It needs to be placed on the WHINERS post for cryin out loud. He still whinin and *****in, like he's been doin the whole series and will continue to do tonight?

Second, Horry is correct. If that was anyone else, there's no way there would be this much complaining. For example, Baron Davis really cheap shotted Fisher, but very little was said about that.
Suns fans and those GWH people and media are simply doing this because it's steve nash, plain and simple.
Just a plain hard foul. The media can make people believe that clouds are green if they say it long enough.
 



1. I think the NBA did the right thing by suspending Stoudamire and Diaw. It should not matter if those guys are stars or not. They were wrong and now have to pay the price.
2.However, I do believe that the rule should be tweaked for next season though.
3. Also Robert Horry deserved to be suspended for the 2 games. He was suspended for committing a Penalty 2 flagrant foul. That's an automatic suspension. He was suspended the for Game 6 because he threw a forearm at Bell.
4. In this case the NBA did everything right on this one. It's too bad that one incident has changed the complexion of the series.
 
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he gone drop a double double on the spurs tonight.....:slap:
 
JayRob said:
First of all, d'antoni's statement is on the wrong post. It needs to be placed on the WHINERS post for cryin out loud. He still whinin and *****in, like he's been doin the whole series and will continue to do tonight?

Second, Horry is correct. If that was anyone else, there's no way there would be this much complaining. For example, Baron Davis really cheap shotted Fisher, but very little was said about that.
Suns fans and those GWH people and media are simply doing this because it's steve nash, plain and simple.
Just a plain hard foul. The media can make people believe that clouds are green if they say it long enough.
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Dude, get outta here...*lmao*

You'd be doing cartwheels and speaking in toungues if Ebok was on the recieving end of that cross body check in stead of Nash. The bottom line is that the foul in itself was an unecessary one.

As far as the rule goes, you gotta do what you gotta do. the rules are the rules. It's definitely something that will be looked at in the off-season. The funny thing is that the style of play the suns employ does more to compensate for those missing parts than folks realize. Spurs would be wise to slow down the game a bit and pound it in to TD every chance they get.
 
HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

ONE MORE TO GO AND NO MORE WHINERS!!:jump:
 
JayRob said:
HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

ONE MORE TO GO AND NO MORE WHINERS!!:jump:
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Poor coaching down the stretch by d'antoni. Why take kurt thomas out in the last minute and put in barbosa? Stupid, stupid, stupid.
 
The NBA did the right thing in suspending both players. The rule is simple, and clear, and it's been enforced in the playoffs before. If Phoenix loses this series it will be because of their sidelines inability to do their jobs, and make sure everything is adhered to. The public, and media want to throw this off on Stu, and Stern, but nobody wants to point blame at the parties who phugged up, and that's Phoenix's sideline, Diaw, and Stoudemire.

Phoenix's sideline, had over 8 minutes to stop Nash's bleeding in game 1, and couldn't, and their sideline was too busy paying attention to what was going on, on the floor instead of making sure none of their players got off of the bench, and they didn't. So we should blame the NBA for their ineptness?

The Knicks lost 4 players, including Patrick Ewing for the same exact thing in a game 7, so what makes Phoenix so special? The rule has been in place for years it's not like it new, and Stoudemire, and Diaw are not rookies, they know better, the rule shouldn't be changed, or altered because players, and coach's don't adhere to them.

NICE
 
D-NICE said:
The NBA did the right thing in suspending both players. The rule is simple, and clear, and it's been enforced in the playoffs before. If Phoenix loses this series it will be because of their sidelines inability to do their jobs, and make sure everything is adhered to. The public, and media want to throw this off on Stu, and Stern, but nobody wants to point blame at the parties who phugged up, and that's Phoenix's sideline, Diaw, and Stoudemire.

Phoenix's sideline, had over 8 minutes to stop Nash's bleeding in game 1, and couldn't, and their sideline was too busy paying attention to what was going on, on the floor instead of making sure none of their players got off of the bench, and they didn't. So we should blame the NBA for their ineptness?

The Knicks lost 4 players, including Patrick Ewing for the same exact thing in a game 7, so what makes Phoenix so special? The rule has been in place for years it's not like it new, and Stoudemire, and Diaw are not rookies, they know better, the rule shouldn't be changed, or altered because players, and coach's don't adhere to them.

NICE
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Rules and some policies do need to be looked at from time to time based on situations that were unforseen when the rule was put into place. Perfect example, the playoff system. It was changed this season from the 3 division winners in each conference getting the top 3 seeds, to the top 2 seeds being the teams with the best record regardless of conference, then the remaining division winners getting the next highest seeds, which is why Cleveland was a #2 seed this year instead of a #4 seed which is what they would've been based on last year's rules. The reason being is that a lot of people were pissed off because the teams with the 2 best records in the western conference met in the second round of the playoffs instead of the conference finals. The brawl a while back between the Pacers and the Pistons was a bench clearing brawl, but only a handful of players that participated in the altercation got suspended. Why wasn't the whole team suspended for "leaving the bench?" Rules in any sport are sometimes changed or altered based on certain situations and unforseen flaws in the way the rule is written, and the NBA is no different.
 
D-NICE said:
The NBA did the right thing in suspending both players. The rule is simple, and clear, and it's been enforced in the playoffs before. If Phoenix loses this series it will be because of their sidelines inability to do their jobs, and make sure everything is adhered to. The public, and media want to throw this off on Stu, and Stern, but nobody wants to point blame at the parties who phugged up, and that's Phoenix's sideline, Diaw, and Stoudemire.

Phoenix's sideline, had over 8 minutes to stop Nash's bleeding in game 1, and couldn't, and their sideline was too busy paying attention to what was going on, on the floor instead of making sure none of their players got off of the bench, and they didn't. So we should blame the NBA for their ineptness?

The Knicks lost 4 players, including Patrick Ewing for the same exact thing in a game 7, so what makes Phoenix so special? The rule has been in place for years it's not like it new, and Stoudemire, and Diaw are not rookies, they know better, the rule shouldn't be changed, or altered because players, and coach's don't adhere to them.

NICE
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I agree with the suspension... but truth be told, Duncan should have been suspended also. Regardless of whether an altercation occurred or not, he entered the court because of a potential altercation. What was his intent? No one can say...just as no one can honestly say what Diaw's intent was (he looked passive to me---Stoudemire's demeanor however was different). If they are gonna have such a strict interpretation then be consistent and suspend Duncan as well...especially after they had reviewed the tape and it was pointed out about Duncan.

Was a good game last night... I can't disagree with D'Antoni's decision to go with Barbosa. Although in hindsight, maybe Thomas would have been a better option. However, I too would have gone with a perimeter player to spread the court and potential drive to the basket.
 
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