Should Coe be taking to task for throwing a game?


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Should Coe be taken to task for throwing a game?

Speaking of the scheduling coming back around to bite someone, it might just be Southern that gets the worst of this deal.

When asked what Arkansas-Pine Bluff could expect to see on Dec. 4 if ASU has already assured up a spot in the SWAC championship game, Coe said, "We'll play nothing but backups. The starters won't see the field. The game doesn't count for us."

In a game that the SWAC office forced the Hornets to reschedule, ASU and Pine Bluff will meet just a week before the championship game.

It's ironic, considering Dec. 4 is one of the dates the conference office proposed for a Southern-Pine Bluff matchup. Of course, SU refused.

If it comes down to it, I bet the Jaguars would give anything to have their fate in their own hands, instead of leaving it up to ASU's second string
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Now I know that some of you if not all agree with this scenario, but the facts of the matter is if it pans out coach Coe would being intenionally throwing a game. A clear violation of Ncaa rules/law, not to mention the ultimate in cowardness not to want face and defeat the team that has own you every time you step to the plate in a game that meant something. So why shouldn't he be taking to task for it.

Please save the "they put second strings in all the time" excuses because we all know that this is different. Point in case that can be referred to.

Remember several years ago when a NFL team did exactly what Coe is suggesting when they knew they were in the playoffs and how the NFL came down on them?
 
First of all, all of this talk about SCG is sooooooo premature. Let the games play themselves out and whatever happens happens.

But at the very least if the mentioned scenrio takes place, aint no sanctions or any kind of "takin Coe to task" gonna happen. If it comes down to the Dec. 4th game, Southern can only blame Southern. You should have played Pine Bluff yourself - be it in St. Louis, the week before the Bayou, or Dec 4 - you all had ample opportunity to make the schedule work. I am not even gonna put it back in the hands of the SWAC headqtrs because it should not have even come down to them making that kind of decision. At worst, everyone knows you HAVE to play your conference games - its even more irresponsible being that the conference is split into divisions and you are not playing a division opponent.

Ya'll - Southern and PB - made ya beds and again whatever happens happens - but Coe and Alabama State have nothing to do with what should have been settled on the field between those 2 institutions. This aint no smack - we are just going to look out for ASU and our best interest on that day.
 



Dude don't go crying that shat now, if yall had stepped up to the plate this crap could've been settled before now (on the field). So don't go crying about what should happen to Astate if they do this or that. Hell didn't shat happen to yall for running out from under a division opponent!!!!!! What ever our role of responsibility was in that scheduling fiasco then we bear the blame and whatever happens happens, but Astate ain't got shat to do with it!
 
How is playing backups throwing a game.Coaches sometimes hold out players in a meaningless game.Hell I would why risk getting a key players injured in a game that doesn't count,especially if we're the Eastern Div. Champs and playing the following week.

Somebody must be getting nervous with the PB situation.Lol!!!
 
NFL teams do this all the time. The Cowboys sat out their key starters (Troy, Emmit, Mike) the last game of the season against the New Orlean Saints because they wanted to give them rest before the playoffs.

SU should have simply scheduled UAPB on the common open date, then they would have nothing to worry about. Playing your backups is not a NCAA violation.
 
Um...I can't help but keep noticing y'all saying Southern ran from Pine Bluff...um..check the records, Pine Bluff only beat Southern ONCE since Pine Bluff rejoined the SWAC. Question: Why would we "run" from a program that has only beaten us once, plus underwent a a coaching change prior to the season starting?

Also, the almighty SWAC office had SU playing back-to-back games in Alabama and I could see a reason why SU officials didn't want the team to travel to St. Louis prior to making two straight trips to Bama. Maybe the costs of traveling to St. Louis outweighed the money generated for playing one game in St. Louis prior to the Alabama swing. But i'm just guessing.

Honestly, UAPB fan, did y'all think y'all would be in this position prior to the season starting? No one, not even the SWAC office, thought UAPB would make a run. But I for one am, because it is showing the ineptness of conference leadership.

I agree that this is both SU's and Pine Bluff's fault, but the conference office also didn't have the Spaldings to force them to play anyway. That lack of leadership puts the office at full blame. That's like a parent who ain't got control of their children, or more aptly the inmates are running the asylum.
 
Also, the almighty SWAC office had SU playing back-to-back games in Alabama and I could see a reason why SU officials didn't want the team to travel to St. Louis prior to making two straight trips to Bama. Maybe the costs of traveling to St. Louis outweighed the money generated for playing one game in St. Louis prior to the Alabama swing. But i'm just guessing.


The conference didnt make the schedule. In case you didnt know-you are supposed to alternate on a home and home - ASU and AAMU came to SU last year, so it was your time to make that run. This has nothing to do with the SWAC office. And I am not saying you are running from anyone - I dont think anyone is saying you are running from anyone - BUT SU was the team to balk at playing in the "Lou" and said they were not going to play on Nov 25.
 
This topic is absolutely AMAZING!!!!!

talk about hypocritical!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You SU people were okay with SU not playing PB on Nov. 20, because of the "all important" Bayou Classic the following week. And you need that week off.

but yet, in this scenario, you want to have a fit cause Coe would not play his starters when the SCG would be the following week.



talk about myopic :tdown:
:smh::smh:

MAC,
You shole is right bout somebody running sced now. Seems like they're desperate for ASU's help.



but I can't get over this one though. I can only wonder if any SU person will step up and say that they disagree with bluedog.
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Da_Sperm said:
NFL teams do this all the time. The Cowboys sat out their key starters (Troy, Emmit, Mike) the last game of the season against the New Orlean Saints because they wanted to give them rest before the playoffs.

SU should have simply scheduled UAPB on the common open date, then they would have nothing to worry about. Playing your backups is not a NCAA violation.
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Fair comment even though its misrepresenting the facts somewhat. Not to get off topic but everybody refuses to acknowledge this was UAPBs home game by constantly saying that S.U. should have schedule.

Another fact to that point is when I heard about the Ala./UAPB game being played on Dec. 4th I asked the question wasn't that one of the dates that was suggested and UAPB said they couldn't play on.

That had no affect on the other teams in their divison. Again the year that this happen and it did have an affect on other teams in their divison the NFL came down them for that and the fact the fans didn't want to see a exhibition game.
 
mighty hornet said:
This topic is absolutely AMAZING!!!!!

talk about hypocritical!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You SU people were okay with SU not playing PB on Nov. 20, because of the "all important" Bayou Classic the following week. And you need that week off.

but yet, in this scenario, you want to have a fit cause Coe would not play his starters when the SCG would be the following week.



talk about myopic :tdown:
:smh::smh:

MAC,
You shole is right bout somebody running sced now. Seems like they're desperate for ASU's help.



but I can't get over this one though. I can only wonder if any SU person will step up and say that they disagree with bluedog.
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I'm sure they will we are S.U. Now the question is will anybody from ASU step and say if this scenario comes to reality that Coe is a coward?
 
Fair comment even though its misrepresenting the facts somewhat. Not to get off topic but everybody refuses to acknowledge this was UAPBs home game by constantly saying that S.U. should have schedule.


Okey dokey, I will acknowledge that this was PB's home game - and the dates offered were Sept 25 and Nov 20 and SU said no. It really doesnt matter who's home game, I think it is pretty much known that SU said they wouldnt/couldnt play on those dates. Excuse me - they wouldnt play on Sept 25 cause the payout was not right - and they couldnt play on Nov 20 cause they have a Classic 7 days later.
 
I'm sure they will we are S.U. Now the question is will anybody from ASU step and say if this scenario comes to reality that Coe is a coward?

Coe could play with 8 combined intramural flag football teams - the point is at least we are playing. What does that say for SU - I mean only using your train of thought?
 



majiksity said:
- and they couldnt play on Nov 20 cause they have a Classic 7 days later.
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but yet he has a problem with Coe when he says his starters won't play on Dec 4 if they have a championship game 7 days later.
:smh::smh:
 
Deuce said:
By "inmates", I assume you mean the Council of Presidents. :emlaugh:
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As my mama would say, If the shoe fits... :teleport: :teleport:

Majiksity, didn't you read in the quote you lifted from me when I said "But I'm just guessing."...I'm just trying to do the impossible -- rationalize the comedy of errors going around here.

If my memory serves correct, UAPB was SU's 3rd game while Bama St. was our fourth when I was in undergrad. The scheduling oversight of going to Bama back-to-back weeks you can put on SU. But "running" from a team that only beat us once, um, that's a stretch.

And about the bye week before the classic, you're not going to win that argument, Mighty Hornet. I wonder why both teams didn't play last weekend in August? Wonder why the SWAC didn't jump in sooner to correct this? That goes back to my earlier comment...

Journalist said:
...the conference office also didn't have the Spaldings to force them to play anyway. That lack of leadership puts the office at full blame. That's like a parent who ain't got control of their children, or more aptly the inmates are running the asylum.
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Also, I don't have a problem with Coe sitting out Williams, Randolph and the skinny dude that catches jump balls all day at WR. That's his prerogative. The question I'm asking is about that UAPB game is sitting out players that more important than closing out strong, possibly winning the SWAC title and a claim at the black college nat'l title?

I believe the only reason Bluedog mentioned it is because Coe was quoted saying what he said. Had he kept his mouth shut on the topic, we wouldn't be talking about it.

Bottom Line: Shid, Coe could start the waterboy for all I care. I'm kinda hoping UAPB and Southern wins out because sometimes you need a colossal uck fup to see the errors of what you planned (read: nine-game mandate). Remember: those who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat it.
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What happens let it happen. If Coe wants a tainted championship so be it.

It speaks alot about Alabama State and Coach Coe.

But then when you look at how they railroaded Coach Cole out of town you just look at the institution and shake your head.

One thing for sure, and that is SU beat that BAMA State butt in Montgomery.

Unless Alcorn pulls an upset SU is the champions of the EAST. Now flip whatever you want to about that.

What happens in December we just have to live with. :argue:
 
majiksity said:
Fair comment even though its misrepresenting the facts somewhat. Not to get off topic but everybody refuses to acknowledge this was UAPBs home game by constantly saying that S.U. should have schedule.


Okey dokey, I will acknowledge that this was PB's home game - and the dates offered were Sept 25 and Nov 20 and SU said no. It really doesnt matter who's home game, I think it is pretty much known that SU said they wouldnt/couldnt play on those dates. Excuse me - they wouldnt play on Sept 25 cause the payout was not right - and they couldnt play on Nov 20 cause they have a Classic 7 days later.
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No, still more misrepresentation of the facts. What they said was, they wouldn't play in St. Louis because UAPB wouldn't pick up the tab to move the game there or have the promotor do it and UAPB schedule another school on that date and "they" wouldn't reschedule. But I disgress..........:read:
 
This is funny y'all SU folks have the same twisted train of thought as TP.Call him a coward all you want.I call it being smart.
 
thegooddoctor said:
What happens let it happen. If Coe wants a tainted championship so be it.

It speaks alot about Alabama State and Coach Coe.
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where was this sanctimonious attitude when SU was giving out those flimsy excuses why they couldn't play PB. Even when a MUTUAL open date existed!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not to mention being in cahoots to railroading PB out of the teleconference when the vote took place.


Now you're crying cause it's a chance that karma might come back to bite SU right in the arse!!!

It's not Bama State's job to help you get to the SCG!

Hell, if there was a makeup game to be made with PB, it should have been SU/PB, not ASU/PB.

If you wanna be mad with something, Be mad about that!!!!
 
This is not a Coach Coe or ASU problem. If this happens he is doing exactly what any smart coach would do in preparing his team to win the SCG. Winning the SWAC is what is important. We shouldn't be him a coward because every coach in the league would do the same.... a meaningless game to sit his starters or play them for a quarter and then sitting them. We just need to focus on beating Alcorn this week, Texas Southern, and Grambling. When this is accomplished we are going to be a better team to compete for a 2nd championship. If we do not run the table we can only blame both institutions for putting their destiny in the hands of officials instead of the players on the football field.
 
MACBFAC said:
This is funny y'all SU folks have the same twisted train of thought as TP.Call him a coward all you want.I call it being smart.
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Trust me man, we understand 80% of the conf. schools train of thought.
 
thedesr said:
This is not a Coach Coe or ASU problem. If this happens he is doing exactly what any smart coach would do in preparing his team to win the SCG. Winning the SWAC is what is important. We shouldn't be him a coward because every coach in the league would do the same.... a meaningless game to sit his starters or play them for a quarter and then sitting them. We just need to focus on beating Alcorn this week, Texas Southern, and Grambling. When this is accomplished we are going to be a better team to compete for a 2nd championship. If we do not run the table we can only blame both institutions for putting their destiny in the hands of officials instead of the players on the football field.
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So why doesn't this train of thought apply for Pete Richardson when scheduling now conf. schools?
 
thedesr said:
This is not a Coach Coe or ASU problem. If this happens he is doing exactly what any smart coach would do in preparing his team to win the SCG. Winning the SWAC is what is important. We shouldn't be him a coward because every coach in the league would do the same.... a meaningless game to sit his starters or play them for a quarter and then sitting them. We just need to focus on beating Alcorn this week, Texas Southern, and Grambling. When this is accomplished we are going to be a better team to compete for a 2nd championship. If we do not run the table we can only blame both institutions for putting their destiny in the hands of officials instead of the players on the football field.
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Thankyou
 
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