SEC Accepts Texas A&M


wbishop3 said:
Baylor doesn't fit because they bring nothing to the table that the SEC doesn't already have. By adding TAMU, the SEC gets into the coveted Houston and Dallas market. Now the SEC will turn its attention to another market that it doesn't have a solid footing in. The 14th team will be about TV markets and money. The SEC's television contract with ESPN has a clause that allows for immediate renegotiation if the conference expands. I expect that when they sit down at the table with ESPN, that deal will blow away the PAC-12's.

Besides, Baylor doesn't have the tradition historically that would fit in with the SEC.
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The Pac 12 teams are in the footprint of nearly every major West Coast media market ...Trust, they'll be straight regardless of what the SEC cable deal will be. The thing about these deals is...yeah there's that national TV money, but regional contract money is the bread and butter.
In essence, which markets would you prefer, the Pac-12 (SoCal, NoCal, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Portland, Ore., Seattle, Salt Lake City and Denver) or the SEC (Houston?, Baton Rouge/New Orleans, Nashville, Jacksonville, Orlando, Atlanta, Birmingham)....

Hell, the ACC's market footprint is great also, with Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill, Atlanta, Charlotte, Va Times/Hampton/Newport News, Washington DC and Boston to name a few. If the SEC were in markets like that....game, set, match.

Also, TAMU's ties to the SEC are somewhat deeper than what most think ...lemme see Bear Bryant's Junction Boys (former Bama coach Gene Stallings was one of them)..However, TAMU would more than likely split the San Antonio market with UT-Austin and get mostly the Houston market. Dallas-Fort Worth...eh it's football...they'll consume it regardless.


Also, the SEC will never get rid of Vandy. Vandy got the OOOOOLLLLD money, is really the only SEC school directly located in a major market (Nashville), and is good in a lot of different sports other than football.
Politics kept TCU out of the Big 12, it's funny now that TCU's future looks a little more sound than Baylors.

Hmm, if the Big 10 (with 12 members) brought in Missouri and Kansas...that would be a great fit academically and geographically as well. Big 10 already has the majority of Midwest US markets on lock. Adding teams in the Kansas City and St. Louis areas (they probably get some spillover from Illinois in STL) would be a cool fit for them. Now the question is...After Mizzou and Rock Chalk Jayhawk....who would the Big 10 w/12 go to make 16 teams.
 
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SAME OLD G said:
I feel you on that. I know nothing about Iowa State, K. State and Kansas, but I don't think that is the case for Missouri. It was my understanding that part of the reason why Missouri was being looked at by the Big 10 the last time (along with Nebraska) was because of academics.
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All schools in the Big 10 are members of the AAU which is a prestigious academic distinction. Nebraska was also a member, but had its membership revoked last year. I remember Missouri being the school who wanted to go to the Big 10 but got rejected. If OU,OSU,TX,and TT go west to the PAC12 then I see Kansas and KSU going to the Big East and Missouri to the SEC
 



JaguarNation99 said:
There's a bit of an academic gap between the two groups, especially with Minnesota and Illinois. Besides, the Big 10 isn't expanding further just to expand, and none of those schools add anything to the conference.
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So you are calling Kansas basketball “nothingâ€￾? Also, I am not talking about expanding for the sake of expending, the point is why the Big Ten would not consider Iowa St., Kansas, K.St., and Missouri. It’s not like we are talking about Tulsa, Wichita St. and Idaho. Now you say there is a bit of an academic gap between the two. Is that your opinion or you have something tangible to proof that?
 
bigmanofds said:
This is the first I ever heard of the CIC. So I am saying up front that I don’t know anything about it. However, after doing a Google search, I found the following link on the history of the CIC (Committee on Institutional Cooperation)

http://www.cic.net/home/AboutCIC/CicHistory.aspx


It states “Following its admittance to the Big Ten in 1990, the CIC invited Pennsylvania State University to join the consortium.” So why can’t they do the same thing with other schools who wish to join the Big Ten.?
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The CIC is just another group the Big 10 schools lead with the University of Chicago being the only non Big 10 member. The group that JState83 really meant to post is this one below which came up when adding Nebraska. As you can see Iowa State, Kansas and Missouri all belong to this association. This is the one that means the most to Big 10 officials. The CIC is only for Big 10 schools and they can add you to it once you join like they did Penn State. It is really more of a Midwest allegiance and like I said only U of Chicago which is a very top notch school is the only non Big 10 member. The AAU below is the one they look at before inviting you to the Big 10.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities#Public_.2834.29
 
Storm96 said:
All schools in the Big 10 are members of the AAU which is a prestigious academic distinction. Nebraska was also a member, but had its membership revoked last year. I remember Missouri being the school who wanted to go to the Big 10 but got rejected. If OU,OSU,TX,and TT go west to the PAC12 then I see Kansas and KSU going to the Big East and Missouri to the SEC
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I don't think Missouri got rejected. Nebraska was just a bigger fish football wise. Missouri was probably a shoe in until Nebraska showed interest in leaving the Big 12. Also with that AAU deal. I bet Nebraska gets it back in the next year or so. Adding Nebraska for Football was too big to pass over for the Big 10. Doesn't hurt to have a Big 10 alum in Bo Pellini (Ohio State) being the head coach and the President being in good with some of the powers that be in the Big 10. It was a good move on the Big 10's part. But I think if they add more teams, then Missouri would have a shot. It was just that their name was not big as Nebraska at the time.
 
Here are some interesting tidbits.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/colleg...ment-update-the-pac-12-doesnt-want-to-expand/


*** If Texas A&M becomes the SEC’s 13th team, that sets the superconferences in motion.

“The SEC won’t stop at 13, or even 14. And if the SEC is at 14 or 16, the Big Ten will do it,†a source said. â€At that point, (the Pac-12) would be crazy not to entertain the idea of expansion.â€

(Multiple sources said the SEC’s 14th team would most likely be Missouri. Combine untapped TV dollars with geography, and the schools that make the most sense for the SEC are Texas A&M, Missouri and Virginia Tech.)

Only if the SEC goes to 13 would the Pac-12 evaluate its options.

It won’t take Oklahoma unless A&M leaves first, despite the accelerated timeline laid out last week by Oklahoma President David Boren.

*** And yes, in all likelihood the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma and Oklahoma State even if Texas were off the table, multiple sources said.
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*** Would Texas be off the table for the Pac-12?

Sources said the implosion of the Big 12 would leave the Longhorns with only two choices: the Pac-12, or independence.

In other words, the Big Ten is not an option for the Longhorns because the B10 doesn’t want Texas Tech — and TTU would be a package deal with UT.

Taking the independent path would be fraught with challenges for Texas, which would have to find a home for its Olympic sports.

As noted on the Hotline recently, and confirmed by sources in the media-rights industry, there is more money for Texas in the Pac-16 than in the Big 12 or as an Independent — perhaps not in the first few years, but certainly once the league’s TV network(s) ramps up distribution and advertising.

But Texas-to-the-Pac won’t work unless the Longhorns agree to the league’s revenue sharing model, and the CEOs won’t budge on that issue.

So UT would have to swallow its pride and take the same cut as Texas Tech.

(Cue chuckles from Lubbock … and College Station.) :lol:
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*** The Big Ten won’t expand until it’s time to renegotiate the league’s deals with CBS and ESPN, which expire in 2016, according to a source.

At that point, if the Pac-12 and the SEC have grown to 16 teams, then Notre Dame will join the Big Ten.
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JR said:
The CIC is just another group the Big 10 schools lead with the University of Chicago being the only non Big 10 member. The group that JState83 really meant to post is this one below which came up when adding Nebraska. As you can see Iowa State, Kansas and Missouri all belong to this association. This is the one that means the most to Big 10 officials. The CIC is only for Big 10 schools and they can add you to it once you join like they did Penn State. It is really more of a Midwest allegiance and like I said only U of Chicago which is a very top notch school is the only non Big 10 member. The AAU below is the one they look at before inviting you to the Big 10.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities#Public_.2834.29
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Thanks
 
Journalist said:
The Pac 12 teams are in the footprint of nearly every major West Coast media market ...Trust, they'll be straight regardless of what the SEC cable deal will be. The thing about these deals is...yeah there's that national TV money, but regional contract money is the bread and butter.
In essence, which markets would you prefer, the Pac-12 (SoCal, NoCal, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Portland, Ore., Seattle, Salt Lake City and Denver) or the SEC (Houston?, Baton Rouge/New Orleans, Nashville, Jacksonville, Orlando, Atlanta, Birmingham)....

Hell, the ACC's market footprint is great also, with Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill, Atlanta, Charlotte, Va Times/Hampton/Newport News, Washington DC and Boston to name a few. If the SEC were in markets like that....game, set, match.

Also, TAMU's ties to the SEC are somewhat deeper than what most think ...lemme see Bear Bryant's Junction Boys (former Bama coach Gene Stallings was one of them)..However, TAMU would more than likely split the San Antonio market with UT-Austin and get mostly the Houston market. Dallas-Fort Worth...eh it's football...they'll consume it regardless.


Also, the SEC will never get rid of Vandy. Vandy got the OOOOOLLLLD money, is really the only SEC school directly located in a major market (Nashville), and is good in a lot of different sports other than football.
Politics kept TCU out of the Big 12, it's funny now that TCU's future looks a little more sound than Baylors.

Hmm, if the Big 10 (with 12 members) brought in Missouri and Kansas...that would be a great fit academically and geographically as well. Big 10 already has the majority of Midwest US markets on lock. Adding teams in the Kansas City and St. Louis areas (they probably get some spillover from Illinois in STL) would be a cool fit for them. Now the question is...After Mizzou and Rock Chalk Jayhawk....who would the Big 10 w/12 go to make 16 teams.
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I agree. It will also make Big 10 basketball even more competitive especially since Indiana dropped off. Missouri and Kansas are great fits. But if they go to 16 to match what the Pac 12 wants to do. Then I expect the Big 10 to look to the East to add the other 2 teams. My bet would be Syracuse or Rutgers and Pittsburgh.
 
bigmanofds said:
So you are calling Kansas basketball “nothing”? Also, I am not talking about expanding for the sake of expending, the point is why the Big Ten would not consider Iowa St., Kansas, K.St., and Missouri. It’s not like we are talking about Tulsa, Wichita St. and Idaho. Now you say there is a bit of an academic gap between the two. Is that your opinion or you have something tangible to proof that?
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BCS conferences sign million dollar basketball TV agreements and billion dollar football TV agreements. So yes, in the grand scheme of things, Kansas basketball is nothing. But as far as academics go, where do you want to start, US News and World Reports, Education Times university rankings, QS world university rankings, research expenditures, endowments? Kansas State isn't even a tier I school. Those schools add little to the financial bottom line and dilute the academics of the conference. That's why none of them would be strongly considered. Missouri has been begging to get in for years and has never been strongly considered.
 
SAME OLD G said:
Here are some interesting tidbits.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/colleg...ment-update-the-pac-12-doesnt-want-to-expand/
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Good stuff Soggy. If ND does join the Big 10 in 2016. Then it would change who else they would invite. I think they will have to invite teams before that because at the rate these conferences are getting broken up or folks moving. It would make sense for the Big 10 to jump on who they want before schools find homes elsewhere......ie....Missouri, Kansas, and possible Big East schools if things continue with this trend. I really don't see how they can wait until 2016. Actually if they got teams to join now before their contract is up. It will give them more leverage when it comes to negotiating the deal. They may be able to get that contract re-done before 2016.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
BCS conferences sign million dollar basketball TV agreements and billion dollar football TV agreements. So yes, in the grand scheme of things, Kansas basketball is nothing. But as far as academics go, where do you want to start, US News and World Reports, Education Times university rankings, QS world university rankings, research expenditures, endowments? Kansas State isn't even a tier I school. Those schools add little to the financial bottom line and dilute the academics of the conference. That's why none of them would be strongly considered. Missouri has been begging to get in for years and has never been strongly considered.
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The Big 10 will not invite Kansas State. LOL. Kansas has a chance just because of AAU membership. I say a chance. They bring nothing to the table football wise. Basketball is good. And geography is good. Going to be interesting.
 
JR said:
The Big 10 will not invite Kansas State. LOL. Kansas has a chance just because of AAU membership. I say a chance. They bring nothing to the table football wise. Basketball is good. And geography is good. Going to be interesting.
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The issue with Kansas besides their lack of football prowess is that much like Oklahoma and OK State, KU and KSU appear to be a package deal. But I do agree with what you said earlier, the Big Ten is more likely to expand east, which means schools like Syracuse, Rutgers, maybe even Pitt, which would be especially attractive given their academics if Penn State weren't already in the conference. I also wouldn't be surprised to see them make a run at some ACC schools like Maryland and Virginia if multiple schools leave the ACC for the SEC.
 
Here's a interesting tidbit: If all these schools start to make moves and leave openings in their respective conferences, do you think these conferences will send invites to mid-major schools such as Louisville, Rutgers, USM, etc..? And if that happens, do you think these mid-major conferences will send invites to FCS schools?
 
JR said:
Good stuff Soggy. If ND does join the Big 10 in 2016. Then it would change who else they would invite. I think they will have to invite teams before that because at the rate these conferences are getting broken up or folks moving. It would make sense for the Big 10 to jump on who they want before schools find homes elsewhere......ie....Missouri, Kansas, and possible Big East schools if things continue with this trend. I really don't see how they can wait until 2016. Actually if they got teams to join now before their contract is up. It will give them more leverage when it comes to negotiating the deal. They may be able to get that contract re-done before 2016.
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I agree. There is no way they can wait until 2016.

All of these mega conferences. It's just a matter of time before Congress steps in and puts an end to all of this shit and the NCAA is no more. :lol:
 



Blacknbengal said:
Here's a interesting tidbit: If all these schools start to make moves and leave openings in their respective conferences, do you think these conferences will send invites to mid-major schools such as Louisville, Rutgers, USM, etc..? And if that happens, do you think these mid-major conferences will send invites to FCS schools?
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Louisville and Rutgers are both in a BCS conference.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Here's a interesting tidbit: If all these schools start to make moves and leave openings in their respective conferences, do you think these conferences will send invites to mid-major schools such as Louisville, Rutgers, USM, etc..? And if that happens, do you think these mid-major conferences will send invites to FCS schools?
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Well, the Big East did extend membership to Villanova for football, but Nova said "no thanks". And I want to say that the WAC extended membership to one of the Montana schools (correct me if I am wrong someone), but I think they said now too.
 
jag4life said:
Louisville and Rutgers are both in a BCS conference.
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SAME OLD G said:
Well, the Big East did extend membership to Villanova for football, but Nova said "no thanks". And I want to say that the WAC extended membership to one of the Montana schools (correct me if I am wrong someone), but I think they said no too.
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Yeah,I think it was Montana that was contacted about the move, but they said that the move would cost them too much. Well, will there be any chance for any black FCS schools to move up because of all this?
 
SAME OLD G said:
Well, the Big East did extend membership to Villanova for football, but Nova said "no thanks". And I want to say that the WAC extended membership to one of the Montana schools (correct me if I am wrong someone), but I think they said no too.
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It was Montana. That made sense for both schools, both would be also-rans at best if they moved up. I know someone will say 'what about Boise State,' but they're the exception, not the norm.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Yeah,I think it was Montana that was contacted about the move, but they said that the move would cost them too much. Well, will there be any chance for any black FCS schools to move up because of all this?
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Not as a direct result. Truthfully, from a financial point of view, no individual HBCU is prepared to move up alone.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
It was Montana. That made sense for both schools, both would be also-rans at best if they moved up. I know someone will say 'what about Boise State,' but they're the exception, not the norm.
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Plus Boise did their move when it was a good time. They have had many years to get to where they are now. Moving up now means a whole lot more money and different strategy approach than it did for them when they did it. I think if they were still FCS they would be like Montana and Villanova and say no too.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Probably right. I think the next move will be Appalachian State.
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I think they want to, but the question is where would they go? It would be next to impossible for a team not already in a BCS conference in other sports (like a Villanova or Georgetown) to jump up from FCS directly to a BCS conference. I don't see them wanting to move up just to be in the Sun Belt.
 
JaguarNation99 said:
I think they want to, but the question is where would they go? It would be next to impossible for a team not already in a BCS conference in other sports (like a Villanova or Georgetown) to jump up from FCS directly to a BCS conference. I don't see them wanting to move up just to be in the Sun Belt.
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Maybe the Big East or ACC?
 
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