I'm sorry MVSU, but...


Jaguar99 said:
Honestly if it’s not your Schools it’s Not Your Business!!!

Stay Strong Valley
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As we have seen with other conferences it does become everyone's business.
Because every team has to have a purpose and benefit to their conference.

We saw Chicago State get tossed from WAC. They are now in the Northeast Conference. After the MEAC said NO. Who have no business being picky.

Something is not right and yelling "it's not your business" doesn't work here. It is the business of the conference to find out WHAT is the issue.
Is someone stealing money? Is money not being spent right? Is money from various sources not being used right?
Are the right folks in charge?

Or the need to shutdown sports might need to happen. Miami Hurricanes shutdown basketball in 1971-1985. And they fixed things.
40 year later only 13 losing seasons. 27 winning seasons. 20 post seasons.

Because sooner than later the WRONG type of "stuff" is going to infect the programs. You don't want a losing culture. Because sooner than later you get desperate and LOWER standards for quick wins.

Ask Binghamton University basketball how that worked. One winning season that got deleted and the coach running back to the MEAC and that school having it's first winning season in 15 years.
 



unknown1 said:
I just don't get the logic lol. I get that you all don't care about anything but the Celebration Bowl... but I've just never understood not, at the least, caring about actually being competitive. it's stuff like that as to why the SWAC is constantly rated as one of the worst conferences in FCS. I do not get what you get out of having athletics just for the sole purpose of having them with no actual intention of being good. Hell Vanderbilt even wins games that matter every now and then. The even more ironic part is no one caring about the fact that they just sacrifice the athletes to the Gods year in and year out in those money games. How does anyone enjoy this... especially their fans?

I don't see how them playing in a conference with the likes of Albany State, Kentucky State, etc. would be a bad thing for their program. At least their fans would actually get to see wins. Half those teams in the SIAC would probably beat them too. People tend to forget that college football is basically a business. WSSU and SSU realized that FCS just wasn't financially viable for them and went to where it made sense. And they were better off than Valley... at least WSSU was.
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And nothing says you can return or get looked at by another conference. That might be looking to get a foot into the state. Like Southland or United Athletic Conference.
 
ColdBlooded said:
Take Alcorn off this list. They don’t have a brand or a fanbase until they play JSU and most of those fans went to JSU for grad school so they’re technically still Jacksonians.
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Stop lying! Alcorn problems with athletics came with the internal strife from our administration the last 5 years. Now we have a President who wants to change things. We have an athletic director and a stable administration we have chance to correct some of the wrongs in the recent past. Nothing with Alcorn starts and stops with JSU. We all face the same wicked a88 state legislator, IHL and governor. Carolyn Meyers butt fu8ked your institutions with the help of the state legislator and the IHL, it was intentionally done to stop growth at JSU. In addition to the presidents that followed Meyers that continue to be buffoons at JSU that still made y'all look silly with the help of the IHL. Just be honest about the history of Mississippi and it's politics post-Reconstruction, segregation and what they did to all 3 institutions. Not one HBCU school in Mississippi is greater than the sum.
 
Honestly, if their admin actually cared anything about the athletes, it wouldnt be a "force them out" situation. It would be a "we need to be where we can actually be competitive situation. And if you're saying they shouldn't consider it, then you honestly don't give a damn about their players lol. Let's look at the past few seasons starting with this year.

2024
Tennessee State - L - 41-21
Lamar - L - 28-14
Murray State - L - 59 - 8
Nicholls - L - 66 - 0
Alcorn - L - 42 - 21
Bama State - L - 54 - 17

2023
CENTRAL STATE - L - 24 - 21
Delta State - L - 35 - 7
NCCU - L - 45 - 3
FAMU - L - 31 - 7
PV - L - 31 - 12
UAPB - W - 42 - 17
JSU - L - 21 - 6
Alcorn - L - 24 - 3
BCU - L - 20 - 7
Bama State - L - 20 - 3
AAMU - L - 30 - 21

2022
Tarleton - L - 29 - 13
Austin Peay - L - 41 - 0
DELTA STATE - L - 41 - 0
JSU - L - 49 - 7
FAMU - L - 34 - 7
Alcorn - L - 30 - 7
Bama State - L - 24 - 9
BCU - L - 45 -35
AAMU - W - 30 - 20
SU - L - 27 - 7
PV - W - 27 - 7

It gets worse the further you go. You're telling me, it makes sense to subject kids to this just for the sake of being FCS?????? I mean, they have a losing record against D2 RIGHT NOW. Ya'll trippin.
 
Oklahoma Brave said:
Stop lying! Alcorn problems with athletics came with the internal strife from our administration the last 5 years. Now we have a President who wants to change things. We have an athletic director and a stable administration we have chance to correct some of the wrongs in the recent past. Nothing with Alcorn starts and stops with JSU. We all face the same wicked a88 state legislator, IHL and governor. Carolyn Meyers butt fu8ked your institutions with the help of the state legislator and the IHL, it was intentionally done to stop growth at JSU. In addition to the presidents that followed Meyers that continue to be buffoons at JSU that still made y'all look silly with the help of the IHL. Just be honest about the history of Mississippi and it's politics post-Reconstruction, segregation and what they did to all 3 institutions. Not one HBCU school in Mississippi is greater than the sum.
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None of this has anything to do with y’all not having a brand or fans. What I said was facts. Keep up man 😂

Now back to Valley 🥳
 
Oklahoma Brave said:
BS! Stop lying! Thee delusional fanbase. :D:D:D
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Delusional is averaging 4k fans a year and thinking you have a fanbase. 😂

If I’m lying, you’re more than welcome to prove me wrong. We talk with facts, not feelings. So pull up some numbers and show me how wrong I am. Otherwise, yall can go D2 along with lil Valley 😂
 
ColdBlooded said:
Delusional is averaging 4k fans a year and thinking you have a fanbase. 😂

If I’m lying, you’re more than welcome to prove me wrong. We talk with facts, not feelings. So pull up some numbers and show me how wrong I am. Otherwise, yall can go D2 along with lil Valley 😂
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Man stop lying as usual, I have facts, however if we are D2 level we still kick y'all a88e8. The "TheeIlie" :D:D:D
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Oklahoma Brave said:
Man stop lying as usual, I have facts, however if we are D2 level we still kick y'all a88e8. The "TheeIlie" :D:D:D
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Yet, you see where BIG THEE is sitting. Since you were so worried about our attendance. We are and always will be #1 as well as your daddy 😂

How’s soccer going? I heard y’all could barely afford a coach which is why yall forfeiting all those games. D2 is the place for you. 🥳
 
ColdBlooded said:
Yet, you see where BIG THEE is sitting. Since you were so worried about our attendance. We are and always will be #1 as well as your daddy 😂

How’s soccer going? I heard y’all could barely afford a coach which is why yall forfeiting all those games. D2 is the place for you. 🥳
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I never said anything about your attendance, I just stated the facts that all HBCU's are at the mercy of each state legislator, governor and IHL or the state Board of Regents. Never that, the last time I checked 1871 precedes 1877, we are you father's always remember that. Where is your top notch Men's Golf program? I'll wait, you see how that hypocrite ish works. I'll rather forfeit games than close the whole program, that's D2 to me as well. We are all in the same boat, with that hypocrite ish. It's always switch and bait; no logical reasoning. 😁😁😁😁😁
 
Oklahoma Brave said:
I never said anything about your attendance, I just stated the facts that all HBCU's are at the mercy of each state legislator, governor and IHL or the state Board of Regents. Never that, the last time I checked 1871 precedes 1877, we are you father's always remember that. Where is your top notch Men's Golf program? I'll wait, you see how that hypocrite ish works. I'll rather forfeit games than close the whole program, that's D2 to me as well. We are all in the same boat, with that hypocrite ish. It's always switch and bait; no logical reasoning. 😁😁😁😁😁
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47-30 series with JSU leading means we are your daddy. In every sport. Even golf which we don’t have anymore. Stay in a child’s place. 😂

Also, we have many championships in all sports. We can shut them all down and still be fine. Yall can’t say that. It would take yall 40-50 years to catch up to us. We aren’t and never will be in the same boat 😂
 
ColdBlooded said:
47-30 series with JSU leading means we are your daddy. In every sport. Even golf which we don’t have anymore. Stay in a child’s place. 😂

Also, we have many championships in all sports. We can shut them all down and still be fine. Yall can’t say that. It would take yall 40-50 years to catch up to us. We aren’t and never will be in the same boat 😂
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I agree you have more championships in the non revenue sports. 6 more in Football, but we have more in Men's Basketball and just about even in Women's Basketball even with y'all even in your good years the last 5 years. so there is where it ends
 



Oklahoma Brave said:
I agree you have more championships in the non revenue sports. 6 more in Football, but we have more in Men's Basketball and just about even in Women's Basketball even with y'all even in your good years the last 5 years. so there is where it ends
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We know. You have no choice but to agree. We have the most overall 😂

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@In_The_662


I guess you will call me out for agreeing with the minority of the SWAC Football Fans who believe y’all should stay a FCS program.


As a few posters have stated before, y’all need to stop scheduling above your means in non conference play and play more traditionally losing FCS, Division II & NAIA programs before entering SWAC play. You brought up PV in your response to @Kenn Rashad , but PV showed y’all the formula in the Frazier days after playing the Paul Quinn’s of the world to get you to a 2-0 start before conference play. Schedule down, gain confidence, and trying to pull off 2-3 SWAC wins to bring your program from the dead. Valley shouldn’t drop down, but they should schedule down.
 
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unknown1 said:
Honestly, if their admin actually cared anything about the athletes, it wouldnt be a "force them out" situation. It would be a "we need to be where we can actually be competitive situation. And if you're saying they shouldn't consider it, then you honestly don't give a damn about their players lol. Let's look at the past few seasons starting with this year.

2024
Tennessee State - L - 41-21
Lamar - L - 28-14
Murray State - L - 59 - 8
Nicholls - L - 66 - 0
Alcorn - L - 42 - 21
Bama State - L - 54 - 17

2023
CENTRAL STATE - L - 24 - 21
Delta State - L - 35 - 7
NCCU - L - 45 - 3
FAMU - L - 31 - 7
PV - L - 31 - 12
UAPB - W - 42 - 17
JSU - L - 21 - 6
Alcorn - L - 24 - 3
BCU - L - 20 - 7
Bama State - L - 20 - 3
AAMU - L - 30 - 21

2022
Tarleton - L - 29 - 13
Austin Peay - L - 41 - 0
DELTA STATE - L - 41 - 0
JSU - L - 49 - 7
FAMU - L - 34 - 7
Alcorn - L - 30 - 7
Bama State - L - 24 - 9
BCU - L - 45 -35
AAMU - W - 30 - 20
SU - L - 27 - 7
PV - W - 27 - 7

It gets worse the further you go. You're telling me, it makes sense to subject kids to this just for the sake of being FCS?????? I mean, they have a losing record against D2 RIGHT NOW. Ya'll trippin.
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Damn!
 
skyvolt2000 said:
As we have seen with other conferences it does become everyone's business.
Because every team has to have a purpose and benefit to their conference.

We saw Chicago State get tossed from WAC. They are now in the Northeast Conference. After the MEAC said NO. Who have no business being picky.

Something is not right and yelling "it's not your business" doesn't work here. It is the business of the conference to find out WHAT is the issue.
Is someone stealing money? Is money not being spent right? Is money from various sources not being used right?
Are the right folks in charge?

Or the need to shutdown sports might need to happen. Miami Hurricanes shutdown basketball in 1971-1985. And they fixed things.
40 year later only 13 losing seasons. 27 winning seasons. 20 post seasons.

Because sooner than later the WRONG type of "stuff" is going to infect the programs. You don't want a losing culture. Because sooner than later you get desperate and LOWER standards for quick wins.

Ask Binghamton University basketball how that worked. One winning season that got deleted and the coach running back to the MEAC and that school having it's first winning season in 15 years.
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The MEAC has every right to be picky, as making short sighted decisions is what lead the MEAC to where they are today with its' membership count. While adding the Florida Schools saved the conference, many years ago, it also set in motion the downfall of a number of athletic programs at individual schools in cost cutting measures due in part to traveling to Florida for all sports to face off against FAMU and BCU.

Coach Oliver mention that travel plays a part of how NCCU put together their schedule, so the decision not to add Chicago State without an increase in revenue to the other schools to counter act the increase in the travel cost for existing members and dip in conference payout shows it was a good move. The downside to this is the MEAC leadership made the decision almost mainly because CSU did not have football and was not going to guarantee to start a football program.

To me the MEAC leadership should be working on trying to improve the financials of the conference and find a way for the two other non-football schools to restart their football program along with providing a financial path way for any CIAA or West Virginia State to join the conference in the future which does not include giving them a waiver for conferance dues (since the leadership has made it clear that they are only interested in HBCUs and PBIs schools).

While I think CSU could still be added in the future, the MEAC must ensure that such a move would not hurt the other schools in any way, thus they need generate more revenue or help out Chicago State to generate revenue to help out the other schools with travel to Chicago (kind of like how Hawaii had to pay for schools in the in their own conference to travel to Hawaii, which is one of the reason why Hawaii is making the move to the MWC as full member).
 
ECSU_NCCU_Christopher said:
The MEAC has every right to be picky, as making short sighted decisions is what lead the MEAC to where they are today with its' membership count. While adding the Florida Schools saved the conference, many years ago, it also set in motion the downfall of a number of athletic programs at individual schools in cost cutting measures due in part to traveling to Florida for all sports to face off against FAMU and BCU.

Coach Oliver mention that travel plays a part of how NCCU put together their schedule, so the decision not to add Chicago State without an increase in revenue to the other schools to counter act the increase in the travel cost for existing members and dip in conference payout shows it was a good move. The downside to this is the MEAC leadership made the decision almost mainly because CSU did not have football and was not going to guarantee to start a football program.

To me the MEAC leadership should be working on trying to improve the financials of the conference and find a way for the two other non-football schools to restart their football program along with providing a financial path way for any CIAA or West Virginia State to join the conference in the future which does not include giving them a waiver for conferance dues (since the leadership has made it clear that they are only interested in HBCUs and PBIs schools).

While I think CSU could still be added in the future, the MEAC must ensure that such a move would not hurt the other schools in any way, thus they need generate more revenue or help out Chicago State to generate revenue to help out the other schools with travel to Chicago (kind of like how Hawaii had to pay for schools in the in their own conference to travel to Hawaii, which is one of the reason why Hawaii is making the move to the MWC as full member).
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CSU doesn't bring in anything unless you are trying to sniff that recruiting market that not even Depaul can do. How were they even considered in the first place.

Coppin and Morgan can't do football. Maryland eats up any local recruits. 4 PWI don't have football either. They are in the same boat as Valley and most of the SWAC.

You are surrounded by too many power house schools that eat up local recruits. How Coppin was one of the top winning basketball teams in the 90s with all those schools around it is a testament to Fang Mitchell.
 
skyvolt2000 said:
CSU doesn't bring in anything unless you are trying to sniff that recruiting market that not even Depaul can do. How were they even considered in the first place.

Coppin and Morgan can't do football. Maryland eats up any local recruits. 4 PWI don't have football either. They are in the same boat as Valley and most of the SWAC.

You are surrounded by too many power house schools that eat up local recruits. How Coppin was one of the top winning basketball teams in the 90s with all those schools around it is a testament to Fang Mitchell.
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Whether I agree with the MEAC leadership or not, they have made it clear that they want to expand the MEAC with more schools. My best guess is they are looking to get the MEAC to 10 to 12 schools, with football having 8 to 10 schools. I can only think of few reasons they want CSU, which is PBI. A PBI school is PWI that has over 40 percent black undergrad student population (I think CSU has around 80 or more black student population).

From my understanding, none of the MEAC media contracts includes anything that increases the conference payouts if they additional schools, so that why I wonder why the MEAC did not cut a deal with Urban Edge Network for some of their media inventory that is not being show by their other media parners. I think the MEAC is looking at CSU as a way to increase over all membership and get into a new market to recruit students to member schools.

While Coppin and UMES can't support football now based on their athletic budgets, the MEAC only have limited options when it comes to adding schools or getting more football programs if they are going to stay within their footprint along with only wanting HBCUs\PBIs.

I am surprise that the MEAC is so focus on football, where they should be looking for their schools to improve in all sports, with basketball being a focus because of the possible revenue of getting multiple schools in the NCAA basketball tournament.
 
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