FCS Runner-Up (Towson State) Lost Money in the Playoffs


jag4life said:
So basically the game you play in Houston is the reason your alums are more involved (in that game), thus creating more visibility in Houston (largest city in Texas), and possibly promoting an uptick in interest from potential applicants.

Nothing you said there is in relation to the playoff runs.
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It's funny how HBCU "Classics" used to get dogged by certain individuals now that a certain non-HBCU participates in one its the greatest thing to infuse blood into the program. :rolleyes:
 
Tigerpride said:
i don't support the playoffs AT ALL... but lets be honest here, that $50K is relative. What if they made $200K more at the gate this year than they did last year? What if the playoffs gave them some additional games to host to major sponsors that gave them more than $50K?
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If they had a projection that playing in the playoff game would result in higher ticket sales the next year, they would have been happy to make the playoff.

These people are telling you the playoff games are waste of money and time.

Why would you want to buy a product when the person selling the product is telling you the product is not worth the value you are paying for it?
 



MikeBigg said:
I agree! Folk get mad at me, but I really think our coaches are afraid to go against these folk... I hope our new staff isn't opposed to playing other FCS programs home and home.
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Not true. There are 4 FCS institutions in Alabama (ASU, A&M, Samford, Jacksonville St) and Bama State has played them all. No fear just difficulties in scheduling due to conference games.
 
J C said:
Not true. There are 4 FCS institutions in Alabama (ASU, A&M, Samford, Jacksonville St) and Bama State has played them all. No fear just difficulties in scheduling due to conference games.
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I stand correction, but with no disrespect mentioned, I wasn't talking about you guys. However, I must admit that the conference has begun to once again play outside our "regular" rotation of schools. I think our folk are starting to realize that our segregated scheduling is hurting us in recruiting.
 
Anonymous said:
There are a lot of truths to the "soft money" argument... Also you really have to look at those schools who are competitive in the playoffs and the recruits, and yes black student-athletes, that go to these schools... Can't keep up the why are they going to "those" schools argument if a kids wants to play for a national title, and our schools (SWAC) don't... It is also pertinent in why some coaches (black coaches), especially the younger ones, tend to want to go to schools that play for that title... I understand your money argument, but don't dismiss what playing in the playoff system can/does for a program overall. My two cents...
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The MEAC has been participating in the playoffs for over a decade now. What has it done for them?

Do they get better talent? NO

Do the get support for better facilities? NO

But the SWAC has seen an overwhelming support for upgraded facilities across the board at several schools.

Do they get more television exposure? NO

So in reality the playoffs hasn't done a damn thing for them that they couldn't accomplished without it.
 
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bluedog said:
The MEAC has been participating in the playoffs for over a decade now. What has it done for them?

Do they get play talent? NO

Do the get support for better facilities? NO

But the SWAC has seen an overwhelming support for upgraded facilities across the board at several schools.

Do they get more television exposure? NO

So in reality the playoffs hasn't done a damn thing for them that they couldn't accomplished without it.
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Very, Very interesting!
 
*sigh*...Still trying to justify why the SWAC is relevant in FCS huh? Good luck with that. Like I've said before, a squat rack and bench press in the SWAC should be the same in FCS like ND State, etc. but it's not some reason and it ain't got a damn thing to do with money.

But please...continue on. We diss the MEAC every chance we get but don't want to schedule them in the regular season.
 
BRAVEHEART123 said:
*sigh*...Still trying to justify why the SWAC is relevant in FCS huh? Good luck with that. Like I've said before, a squat rack and bench press in the SWAC should be the same in FCS like ND State, etc. but it's not some reason and it ain't got a damn thing to do with money.

But please...continue on. We diss the MEAC every chance we get but don't want to schedule them in the regular season.
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If you're addressing that to me you need to be a little clearer and I'll be more than happy to reply.
 
MikeBigg said:
I stand correction, but with no disrespect mentioned, I wasn't talking about you guys. However, I must admit that the conference has begun to once again play outside our "regular" rotation of schools. I think our folk are starting to realize that our segregated scheduling is hurting us in recruiting.
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MB, I would like to see Samford and Jacksonville State added to our regular schedule. Last year's contest with Jacksonville was a good game and was well attended.
 
Anonymous said:
There are a lot of truths to the "soft money" argument... Also you really have to look at those schools who are competitive in the playoffs and the recruits, and yes black student-athletes, that go to these schools... Can't keep up the why are they going to "those" schools argument if a kids wants to play for a national title, and our schools (SWAC) don't... It is also pertinent in why some coaches (black coaches), especially the younger ones, tend to want to go to schools that play for that title... I understand your money argument, but don't dismiss what playing in the playoff system can/does for a program overall. My two cents...
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I will not dismiss what the playoffs can do. They seemed to have worked for Marshall, Delaware, Georgia Southern, North Dakota State and Youngstown State. Of course those schools have won titles. Players and coaches at those schools and others wanted to win championships-not just conference ones.

I will agree that just playing in the playoffs is not enough. Schools need to improve facilities, promote their programs and schools, and have grads donate to their colleges and universities and increase the recruiting budgets. These are things that HBCUs have been lacking for the most part for decades.

I will not dismiss the soft money argument either. I will not say that a winning program makes a school better academically. After all I was at PV during the long losing streak. However, I think that HBCUs could learn a few things from their PWC counterparts.

As for recruiting budgets I will repeat what coaches often say: "If you don't win on signing day, you can't win on game day. Recruiting is the lifeblood of the program."
 
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Our issues have nothing to do with the playoffs. If we are able to get a better base of alums donating money back into their school, you would really see some beasting going on in the SWAC.
 
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bluedog said:
The MEAC has been participating in the playoffs for over a decade now. What has it done for them?

Do they get better talent? NO

Do the get support for better facilities? NO

But the SWAC has seen an overwhelming support for upgraded facilities across the board at several schools.

Do they get more television exposure? NO

So in reality the playoffs hasn't done a damn thing for them that they couldn't accomplished without it.
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I wouldn't agree with that... on the field, its says otherwise
 
bluedog said:
The MEAC has been participating in the playoffs for over a decade now. What has it done for them?

Do they get better talent? NO

Do the get support for better facilities? NO

But the SWAC has seen an overwhelming support for upgraded facilities across the board at several schools.

Do they get more television exposure? NO

So in reality the playoffs hasn't done a damn thing for them that they couldn't accomplished without it.
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I wouldn't agree with that... on the field, its says otherwise
 



stroke said:
I wouldn't agree with that... on the field, its says otherwise
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So in other words you don't believe your own eyes.

You don't believe that ASU and SU has had facilities upgrades with reports of TSU and PVSU upgrades coming soon?

You don't believe every season there is at least one SWAC game that is broadcast every two weeks on national TV?

You don't believe that the SWAC has two schools that has the longest running annual rival shown on national TV in all of FCS and some FBS?

You don't believe that the SWAC continues to draw more fans to their games as a conference than any FCS conference and some FBS?

You don't believe that the MEAC has lost a couple of school from their conference to D2 and in danger of losing more?

With this being the case than there's no need for further discussion because you're simply an individual with some serious inferiority issues.
 
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Exposure is over used. When I traveled around the SWAC with the Basketball Team, there are many empty seats. When I traveled to Vanderbilt, U of Tenn, Wright State, U of Alabama and others they have sell outs. In football the Auburn Game was a sell out and GT attendance was up. We have been around since the 1870 and fans know who we are. We don't need exposure. Football lose money, but it is worth the lost in our HBCUs. BTW, the SWAC is doing much better than we were 10 years ago. If money was no issue, our Baseball Teams would travel to all schools.
 
MightyDog said:
Exposure is over used. When I traveled around the SWAC with the Basketball Team, there are many empty seats. When I traveled to Vanderbilt, U of Tenn, Wright State, U of Alabama and others they have sell outs. In football the Auburn Game was a sell out and GT attendance was up. We have been around since the 1870 and fans know who we are. We don't need exposure. Football lose money, but it is worth the lost in our HBCUs. BTW, the SWAC is doing much better than we were 10 years ago. If money was no issue, our Baseball Teams would travel to all schools.
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You mentioned schools with Basketball historys of winning. The mid majors and other FCS schools struggling with attendance for football all the way down to Soccer. Our fans support in the stands we must support as boosters and alumni.
 
97JSULEGEND said:
You mentioned schools with Basketball historys of winning. The mid majors and other FCS schools struggling with attendance for football all the way down to Soccer. Our fans support in the stands we must support as boosters and alumni.
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And until that's done you can play in a million playoff games, win the national title and you would still have the same issues.
 
Anonymous said:
There are a lot of truths to the "soft money" argument... Also you really have to look at those schools who are competitive in the playoffs and the recruits, and yes black student-athletes, that go to these schools... Can't keep up the why are they going to "those" schools argument if a kids wants to play for a national title, and our schools (SWAC) don't... It is also pertinent in why some coaches (black coaches), especially the younger ones, tend to want to go to schools that play for that title... I understand your money argument, but don't dismiss what playing in the playoff system can/does for a program overall. My two cents...
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Point taken! :tup:

With that said, do you know if WSSU's run in the playoffs had any kind of "soft money" impact for the school?
 
I wonder how most of the players feel about not being "eligible" to compete in the playoffs? I'd like to see the AD's put it to a vote (anonymous) and release the results from how the players feel.
 
MikeBigg said:
I wonder how most of the players feel about not being "eligible" to compete in the playoffs? I'd like to see the AD's put it to a vote (anonymous) and release the results from how the players feel.
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While I'm certain every athlete want to obtain his/her's highest possible achievement the fact they chose our institution of higher learning should be a sufficient barometer.
 
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Soft money benefit...??? Significant growth in royalties for North Dakota State, significant influx of NDSU merchandise into the marketplace and in turn, bolster of promoting school to perspective students, fans and donors....

Just like a solid food chain, everyone tied to it is looking for their piece of the apparel pie. NDSU Marketing tells us for every ten dollars spent, NDSU gets a dollar of the wholesale cost. NDSU is seeing tremendous increases in royalties. In 2010, their cut was nearly $117,000. Last year, it was more than $418,000, a four hundred percent increase. With time left in this budget year, they've already met expectations and could easily reach a half million dollars.

"We've worked the math backwards, just to see what kind of impact it has on our retail economy. When you think of 10% in royalties, I think we've figured 12-15 million dollars in retail sales," says Troy Goergen, NDSU Marketing.
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http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/24721804/the-sport-of-game-gear
 
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