Even in defeat, Grambling left no doubt about dominating the SWAC


Originally posted by bluedog
Well you want have anybody outside the conf. to help you this year, you gotta earn it on your on, they're all gonna be healthy and you know what means.

As for your three swac titles in a row, i tried to tell you but like most info it gets deleted, but i'll try again and if this one doesn't make it, i'll e-mail ya.


3 BIG SWAC CHAMPIONSHIPS like 97,98,& 99 right?The only thing missing for you to do is to be named the team of the decade and win the James Franks award for best athletic program. But to do the latter you got to be good at more than football,so that's probably out. :eek2:

Btw, during that 97, 98, 99 run we didn't lose any conf. games, how about you?
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Congrat on the James Frank award. But besides that.
1st off we are talking FOOTBALL, stay on the subject at hand. Okay SU had its run 97, 98 &99, GSU 2000-2002 and soon to be 2003. WIth all that in mind They are still swac championships. Just because you did not loose a swac game on the way to the title are we suppose to give you a cookie for that? Yeah, I could sit here and go on an and on about GSU other sports programs and name their accomplishments i.e. GSU womans basketball. But that is in the past. So you would be fooling yourself to sit and think GSU has only been good in Football. As far as this decade goes, who is running it currently? Who is the team to beat? New flash it's not SU but GSU. Everybody is always on GSU about riding the legacy/history, Well guess what. We have seen the future and the future is GSU! You say SU is gonna be healty, So that means no excuses when we send Pete packing huh?
 
Originally posted by TRU2GSU
DonTiger, I totally agree with ya. You had to be there to see it. Those long runs were the result of missing tackels which contributed to that 215 yds rushing.
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Tru and Don

I'm feeling what you are saying. King had runs of 31 and 60 yards for touchdowns. He also had a run of over 50 yards to set up his other one. They would have had to have been there to see what happened. Keep in mind that King had 30 carries for 215 yards. That means that besides those three long runs, he had 27 carries for about 75-80 yards. King is a good runner, probably the best in the SLC. And when you think about 27 carries that netted only 75-80 yards, I'd say that is pretty good. On the flip side of that, I think what really hurt the Tigers is the alignment that the coaches puts the players in. Grambling plays a 4-3 defense. Anyone with good football sense knows that the most vulnerable area on the field when the 4-3 defense is used is the middle of the field because your inside linebackers are 4-5 yards off of the ball. Unfortunately, that is where McNeese tries to run the ball, between the tackles. The problem with Grambling is that unlike the traditional 4-3, they don't use two safeties all the time and if they do, they usually bring one up within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage. When King broke through the defensive line, which did indeed play a helluva game, he had nothing but green in front of him. It is very difficult for the safety that is left back there to make an open field tackle when he is having to run up on a running back like that, especially one that doesn't go down easily. Remember on each long run, it was cornerbacks that brought him down. The safeties (both of them) were never in position to make clean tackles. I think if Grambling uses a traditional 2-deep safety approach, they would have won. McNeese adjusted to what they were doing at half and scored 24 points in the second half. That was the bottom line.
 



King is a good back but remember that our returning leading tackler from last year (Mike Daigre) normally starts at safety. Nothing against Bridges and Mills but they are not the physical hitter that Daigre is...Dude brings the hat! I'm told that he will be ready by the PVU game. Knowing Mike, that hamstring must be really hurting.

He'll be around to knock out some blues and yellas!
 
Originally posted by bluedog
West

Conference Points Overall Points
Team W L T For Opp Pct W L T For Opp Pct
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Southern............ 1 0 0 62 7 1.000 3 0 0 126 23 1.000
Grambling State..... 1 0 0 45 14 1.000 2 2 0 105 102 .500
Texas Southern...... 1 1 0 63 31 .500 2 1 0 90 51 .667
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 1 1 0 37 44 .500 1 3 0 87 110 .250
Prairie View A&M.... 0 2 0 10 104 .000 1 2 0 55 135 .333
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Both undefeated in the SWAC...for now :D
 
Originally posted by Robber
Man, I tell ya. They play D. White Mann close and think that makes them superior to the rest of us. S _ _.

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Dude, ya'll barely beat Texas So. You are not ready for us to tag you......

If I were you, I'd try to postpone 10/25 as long as I could.....

It's gonna get real ugly out there.....
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Originally posted by Robber
Man, I tell ya. They play D. White Mann close and think that makes them superior to the rest of us. S _ _.

Bring that azz to Jackson. You gonna wish y'all were playing McNeese again. We gonna get deep in that azz.
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Dude, ya'll barely beat Texas So. Ya'll are not ready for us @ all....

If I were you, I would try to postpone 10/25 as long as I could
'cause it's gonna get ugly out there.....
 
Originally posted by LilMissTigress1
-------------------Dude, ya'll barely beat Texas So. Ya'll are not ready for us @ all.... If I were you, I would try to postpone 10/25 as long as I could 'cause it's gonna get ugly out there.....
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You show is right, LilMissTigress1. It is totally unfair for me to smack JSU, so I digress. ~snicker~
 
Originally posted by PAPAJAG
Did he say awesome up front? :lmao:

You can't be serious after watch Vic King run over, around, and through them for over 200 yards. Never thought I see the day that the so called Icon be happy for a moral victory.
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Just imagine what they would have done to SU.... Oh, I forgot they don't play, or contend with quality teams.
 
Originally posted by G-Man75
Just imagine what they would have done to SU.... Oh, I forgot they don't play, or contend with quality teams.
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Yeah lets imagine that......

SU 48 Ic**n 24

Boy self smack sho make you look like an @ss :smh:

MikeBigg I blame you for this. :smh:
 
Thanks for that clip, Doc. It sorta helps to illustrate the point I made earlier about not using another safety. For anyone that has looked at it or will look at it, notice the safety in the play. When the clip starts he is out of the picture but when the quarterback pulls out from under center, you can see him on the 25 yard line at the bottom of the screen. As the toss flows, he moves with the play towards the sideline but then the running back cuts back. The safety is totally out of position to make a play on the runner. One might say that the linebacker should have made the play . . . . King ran right by him. But this is the one weakness of the 4-3 defensive scheme. The inside linebackers are the primary tacklers for runs in the middle of the field. The problem is that they are usually 5 yards off of the ball, which makes it awfully hard to tackle a cut back runner in space. This, to me, made the difference in the game. Lining up a second safety like a traditional 4-3 does would do wonders for Grambling. On all of King's long runs, there was never another safety in there to help make plays in the secondary. . . Oh, and blitzing so much doesnt always help either.
 
This is to sad, yo punk@ss gettin smacked and your praising him for it. MikeBigg this ones on you! :smh:
 
Originally posted by bluedog
This is to sad, yo punk@ss gettin smacked and your praising him for it. MikeBigg this ones on you!
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Do all Southern posters have Blue Dog's attitude problem? ;)

Posting the run video wasn't intended as smack. :)
 



GramFan,

I understand exactly what your saying about the safety being their to make the play. Our regular strong safety is Mike Daigre and he's been out all season. He told me that he's due to come back for the PV game. The hamstring wasn't just pulled but suffered a slight tear. He has been jogging on it and will be ready for the conference grind. I told him to take it slow in the PV game and not try to over do it.

Taking nothing from King and the guys playing safety, but Daigre kills that play before it even gets started.

Note to BlueDog: GramFan doesn't smack...he will comment on the smack board but he keeps it real.
 
MB

Yanno, I'm glad you brought up Daigre. Bridges and Mills were only in the game, together, when it was an obvious passing situation. Other than that, they rotated in and out from the free safety position. I wonder if the coaching staff decided that because Daigre was not there, they would instead use a fourth linebacker or 5th down lineman. On the clip that Doc posted, they were really in a 4-4. But most of the time, there were 5 defensive linemen in there.
 
Originally posted by MikeBigg

Note to BlueDog: GramFan doesn't smack...he will comment on the smack board but he keeps it real.
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Well tell him/her carry his/her @ss over ---------------------------->

Playtimes over dammitt :redhot:
 
Originally posted by McNeese72
Do all Southern posters have Blue Dog's attitude problem? ;)

Posting the run video wasn't intended as smack. :)
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Do all McGeese posters having reading problem? This is the smackboard carry yo @ss over thur------------------------>

Opps! my bad, forgot about that 39% graduation rate :eek2:
 
Quote from Bludog

Do all McGeese posters having reading problem? This is the smackboard carry yo @ss over thur------------------------>
Opps! my bad, forgot about that 39% graduation rate
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Oh I forgot SU is the Harvard of the Bayou. That must explain why they play a weak azz schedule like those Ivy league boys.

You need to stay on the porch until its time for you to get hammered by the G-Men in the Classic


:smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:
 
Originally posted by McNeese75
Quote from Bludog



Oh I forgot SU is the Harvard of the Bayou. That must explain why they play a weak azz schedule like those Ivy league boys.

You need to stay on the porch until its time for you to get hammered by the G-Men in the Classic


:smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:
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:lmao:


That's some funny isht.:lmao:
 
Originally posted by McNeese75
Quote from Bludog



Oh I forgot SU is the Harvard of the Bayou. That must explain why they play a weak azz schedule like those Ivy league boys.

You need to stay on the porch until its time for you to get hammered by the G-Men in the Classic


:smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

:nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod: :nod:
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Doc, you know good and well that Nicholls is "Harvard on the Bayou"....lol
 
Re: Oh..J-State done "Got Read" huh

Originally posted by DonTiger
Man,

You must be done lost your mind GetReady.


Ya'll win one game...Against TSU....In the last seconds and now you SMACK TALKIN' about October 25th.

Jackson State SUCKS. Jackson state is like Enron Stock..WORTHLESS.

I'm not even going to reply to any more smack about Oct 25th. GET REAL man.

Win another game. I dare you !
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Originally posted by bluedog
You do realize that we won three in a row before you did and that we were name team of the decade...right?

Btw, stats?....what stats these?

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Team Statistics
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2003 Southwestern Athletic Conference Team Statistics Through games of Sep 21, 2003


SCORING OFFENSE G TD XP 2XP DXP FG Saf Pts Avg
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Southern............ 3 17 14 1 0 2 1 126 42.0
Alabama State....... 4 18 17 0 0 4 0 137 34.2
Alcorn State........ 3 11 10 1 0 5 0 93 31.0
Texas Southern...... 3 11 10 1 0 4 0 90 30.0
Grambling State..... 4 14 11 1 0 2 1 105 26.2
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 12 9 0 0 2 0 87 21.8
Alabama A&M......... 4 11 6 2 0 3 0 85 21.2
Prairie View A&M.... 3 7 7 0 0 2 0 55 18.3
Jackson State....... 4 8 6 1 0 0 0 56 14.0
Miss. Valley State.. 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 7 1.8

SCORING DEFENSE G TD XP 2XP DXP FG Saf Pts Avg
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Southern............ 3 3 2 0 0 1 0 23 7.7
Texas Southern...... 3 6 6 0 0 3 0 51 17.0
Alabama A&M......... 4 10 8 1 0 2 1 78 19.5
Jackson State....... 4 11 10 1 0 6 1 98 24.5
Grambling State..... 4 12 8 2 0 6 0 102 25.5
Alabama State....... 4 13 9 1 1 4 0 103 25.8
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 14 14 0 0 4 0 110 27.5
Alcorn State........ 3 13 11 1 0 2 1 99 33.0
Miss. Valley State.. 4 18 16 0 0 4 1 138 34.5
Prairie View A&M.... 3 20 15 0 0 0 0 135 45.0

PASS OFFENSE G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds Avg TD Yds/G
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Grambling State..... 4 208 109 4 52.4 1352 6.5 9 338.0
Southern............ 3 74 52 2 70.3 675 9.1 5 225.0
Prairie View A&M.... 3 108 60 6 55.6 647 6.0 3 215.7
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 146 65 9 44.5 862 5.9 7 215.5
Jackson State....... 4 139 69 5 49.6 849 6.1 5 212.2
Alcorn State........ 3 82 41 7 50.0 610 7.4 4 203.3
Alabama A&M......... 4 133 58 8 43.6 663 5.0 4 165.8
Alabama State....... 4 96 42 4 43.8 625 6.5 4 156.2
Miss. Valley State.. 4 108 52 5 48.1 450 4.2 0 112.5
Texas Southern...... 3 60 41 2 68.3 242 4.0 0 80.7

PASS DEFENSE G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds Avg TD Yds/G
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Jackson State....... 4 87 49 3 56.3 401 4.6 1 100.2
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 107 50 9 46.7 567 5.3 4 141.8
Texas Southern...... 3 76 39 7 51.3 454 6.0 2 151.3
Miss. Valley State.. 4 114 52 7 45.6 695 6.1 6 173.8
Southern............ 3 95 43 4 45.3 528 5.6 3 176.0
Alabama A&M......... 4 134 59 5 44.0 821 6.1 6 205.2
Alabama State....... 4 118 68 6 57.6 854 7.2 6 213.5
Alcorn State........ 3 90 42 5 46.7 657 7.3 4 219.0
Prairie View A&M.... 3 79 49 2 62.0 738 9.3 7 246.0
Grambling State..... 4 145 79 4 54.5 992 6.8 5 248.0

KICKOFF RETURNS G Ret Yds TD Avg
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Southern............ 3 6 213 1 35.5
Texas Southern...... 3 11 287 0 26.1
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 19 487 1 25.6
Jackson State....... 4 16 397 0 24.8
Alabama State....... 4 14 286 0 20.4
Miss. Valley State.. 4 22 432 0 19.6
Alcorn State........ 3 18 329 0 18.3
Alabama A&M......... 4 14 243 0 17.4
Grambling State..... 4 19 281 0 14.8
Prairie View A&M.... 3 18 259 0 14.4

PUNTING G No. Yards Avg Ret Yds Avg Net/P
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Texas Southern...... 3 19 694 36.5 4 4 0.2 36.3
Alabama State....... 4 21 809 38.5 10 47 2.2 36.3
Alcorn State........ 3 17 659 38.8 9 89 5.2 33.5
Miss. Valley State.. 4 34 1201 35.3 13 77 2.3 33.1
Alabama A&M......... 4 23 834 36.3 11 105 4.6 31.7
Grambling State..... 4 19 638 33.6 10 73 3.8 29.7
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 22 740 33.6 10 98 4.5 29.2
Prairie View A&M.... 3 18 666 37.0 11 192 10.7 26.3
Southern............ 3 12 434 36.2 8 156 13.0 23.2
Jackson State....... 4 25 807 32.3 14 241 9.6 22.6

|--Gained--||---Lost---|
TURNOVER MARGIN G Fum Int Tot Fum Int Tot Mar Per/G
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Texas Southern...... 3 6 7 13 4 2 6 +7 2.33
Alabama State....... 4 11 6 17 6 4 10 +7 1.75
Southern............ 3 3 4 7 0 2 2 +5 1.67
Alcorn State........ 3 8 5 13 3 7 10 +3 1.00
Grambling State..... 4 4 4 8 6 4 10 -2 -0.50
Alabama A&M......... 4 3 5 8 3 8 11 -3 -0.75
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 5 9 14 9 9 18 -4 -1.00
Prairie View A&M.... 3 4 2 6 3 6 9 -3 -1.00
Miss. Valley State.. 4 1 7 8 7 5 12 -4 -1.00
Jackson State....... 4 2 3 5 5 5 10 -5 -1.25

RUSHING OFFENSE G Att Yds Avg TD Yds/G
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Texas Southern...... 3 149 674 4.5 8 224.7
Alabama A&M......... 4 158 814 5.2 7 203.5
Southern............ 3 113 588 5.2 10 196.0
Alabama State....... 4 151 780 5.2 11 195.0
Alcorn State........ 3 124 429 3.5 5 143.0
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 127 385 3.0 3 96.2
Grambling State..... 4 97 366 3.8 4 91.5
Jackson State....... 4 136 332 2.4 3 83.0
Prairie View A&M.... 3 96 213 2.2 4 71.0
Miss. Valley State.. 4 126 60 0.5 1 15.0

RUSHING DEFENSE G Rushes Yards Avg. TD Yds/G
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Southern............ 3 90 194 2.2 0 64.7
Alabama A&M......... 4 133 391 2.9 3 97.8
Grambling State..... 4 146 552 3.8 6 138.0
Alcorn State........ 3 95 420 4.4 7 140.0
Texas Southern...... 3 117 426 3.6 3 142.0
Alabama State....... 4 170 617 3.6 5 154.2
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 164 667 4.1 8 166.8
Jackson State....... 4 158 827 5.2 7 206.8
Miss. Valley State.. 4 161 920 5.7 11 230.0
Prairie View A&M.... 3 139 728 5.2 11 242.7

TOTAL OFFENSE G Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Yds/G
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Grambling State..... 4 366 1352 305 1718 5.6 13 429.5
Southern............ 3 588 675 187 1263 6.8 15 421.0
Alabama A&M......... 4 814 663 291 1477 5.1 11 369.2
Alabama State....... 4 780 625 247 1405 5.7 15 351.2
Alcorn State........ 3 429 610 206 1039 5.0 9 346.3
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 385 862 273 1247 4.6 10 311.8
Texas Southern...... 3 674 242 209 916 4.4 8 305.3
Jackson State....... 4 332 849 275 1181 4.3 8 295.2
Prairie View A&M.... 3 213 647 204 860 4.2 7 286.7
Miss. Valley State.. 4 60 450 234 510 2.2 1 127.5

TOTAL DEFENSE G Rush Pass Plys Yards Avg TD Yds/G
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Southern............ 3 194 528 185 722 3.9 3 240.7
Texas Southern...... 3 426 454 193 880 4.6 5 293.3
Alabama A&M......... 4 391 821 267 1212 4.5 9 303.0
Jackson State....... 4 827 401 245 1228 5.0 8 307.0
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 667 567 271 1234 4.6 12 308.5
Alcorn State........ 3 420 657 185 1077 5.8 11 359.0
Alabama State....... 4 617 854 288 1471 5.1 11 367.8
Grambling State..... 4 552 992 291 1544 5.3 11 386.0
Miss. Valley State.. 4 920 695 275 1615 5.9 17 403.8
Prairie View A&M.... 3 728 738 218 1466 6.7 18 488.7

PUNT RETURNS G Ret Yds TD Avg
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Alabama State....... 4 8 157 1 19.6
Miss. Valley State.. 4 11 161 0 14.6
Texas Southern...... 3 10 119 0 11.9
Southern............ 3 9 103 0 11.4
Grambling State..... 4 10 99 0 9.9
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 8 78 0 9.8
Prairie View A&M.... 3 2 16 0 8.0
Alabama A&M......... 4 13 73 0 5.6
Alcorn State........ 3 9 35 0 3.9
Jackson State....... 4 12 33 0 2.8

PASS EFFICIENCY G Att Cmp Pct Int Yds TD Effic
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Southern............ 3 74 52 .703 2 675 5 163.8
Grambling State..... 4 208 109 .524 4 1352 9 117.4
Alcorn State........ 3 82 41 .500 7 610 4 111.5
Jackson State....... 4 139 69 .496 5 849 5 105.6
Prairie View A&M.... 3 108 60 .556 6 647 3 103.9
Alabama State....... 4 96 42 .438 4 625 4 103.9
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 146 65 .445 9 862 7 97.6
Texas Southern...... 3 60 41 .683 2 242 0 95.5
Alabama A&M......... 4 133 58 .436 8 663 4 83.4
Miss. Valley State.. 4 108 52 .481 5 450 0 73.9

PASS DEF EFFICIENCY G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Effic
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Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 4 107 50 9 46.7 567 4 86.8
Texas Southern...... 3 76 39 7 51.3 454 2 91.8
Jackson State....... 4 87 49 3 56.3 401 1 91.9
Southern............ 3 95 43 4 45.3 528 3 93.9
Miss. Valley State.. 4 114 52 7 45.6 695 6 101.9
Alabama A&M......... 4 134 59 5 44.0 821 6 102.8
Alcorn State........ 3 90 42 5 46.7 657 4 111.5
Grambling State..... 4 145 79 4 54.5 992 5 117.8
Alabama State....... 4 118 68 6 57.6 854 6 125.0
Prairie View A&M.... 3 79 49 2 62.0 738 7 164.7

....or this?


West

Conference Points Overall Points
Team W L T For Opp Pct W L T For Opp Pct
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Southern............ 1 0 0 62 7 1.000 3 0 0 126 23 1.000
Grambling State..... 1 0 0 45 14 1.000 2 2 0 105 102 .500
Texas Southern...... 1 1 0 63 31 .500 2 1 0 90 51 .667
Ark.-Pine Bluff..... 1 1 0 37 44 .500 1 3 0 87 110 .250
Prairie View A&M.... 0 2 0 10 104 .000 1 2 0 55 135 .333
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The stats are cool but tell me who are y'all playing early in the season. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Originally posted by EyEoFtHeTiGeR
The stats are cool but tell me who are y'all playing early in the season. :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
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I'll do you one better, i'll let you take a look at your own backdoor.


Southwestern Athletic Conference - 2003
Grambling State


Date Opponent Score
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Aug 23, 2003 at San Jose State 0-29 L
Sep 06,2003 at Alcorn State W 40-28
* Sep 13, 2003 vs Alabama A&M W 45-14
Sep 20, 2003 MCNEESE STATE 20-31 L

* indicates conference game

San Jose State


Sat 8/23/2003 vs GRAMBLING STATE W 29-0

Sat 8/30/2003 at Florida Gainesville, Fla. L 3-65

Sat 9/6/2003 at Stanford Stanford, Calif. L 10-31

Thu 9/18/2003 vs NEVADA / Hall of Fame SPARTAN STADIUM L 30-42

Record 1-3



Southwestern Athletic Conference - 2003
Alcorn State



Date Opponent Score
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* Aug 30, 2003 at Ark.-Pine Bluff W 37-10
Sep 06,2003 GRAMBLING STATE 28-40 L
* Sep 13, 2003 at Alabama State 28-49 L

Record 1-2

Southwestern Athletic Conference - 2003
Alabama A&M



Date Opponent Score
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Aug 30, 2003 JACKSONVILLE ST. 3-9 L
Sep 06, 2003 TENNESSEE ST. W 31-24
* Sep 13, 2003 vs #18 Grambling State 14-45 L
* Sep 20, 2003 at Miss. Valley State WO 37-0

Record 2-2
 
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