Donald Trump and the Birther Debate


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Yanno, he could simply shut all these mofos up by producing the document, that's what everyone else does.
 
J4L, what he produced was a certificate of live birth, and not a birth certificate,his own grandmother said he was born in Kenya. I am not an Obama supporter, I have waaay too many other reasons to disagree with his policies. But Trump is not exactly in the same category as the "birthers", believe me, he wouldn't be after this as hard as he is if he wasn't convinced otherwise. Again, I don't care if he was born on mars, I have more issues with his presidency as opposed to where he was or was not born.
 
J4L, what he produced was a certificate of live birth, and not a birth certificate,his own grandmother said he was born in Kenya. I am not an Obama supporter, I have waaay too many other reasons to disagree with his policies. But Trump is not exactly in the same category as the "birthers", believe me, he wouldn't be after this as hard as he is if he wasn't convinced otherwise. Again, I don't care if he was born on mars, I have more issues with his presidency as opposed to where he was or was not born.

Didn't the State of Hawaii verify a number of times that they have his birth certificate on record? The myth that his grandmother said he was born in Kenya has long been debunked.
 
Didn't the State of Hawaii verify a number of times that they have his birth certificate on record? The myth that his grandmother said he was born in Kenya has long been debunked.

JN99, both sides argue to the contrary, again, it makes no difference to me, but Trump is beating the weeds again about his credentials. Personally, there is much more I have issue with than where he was born.
 
JN99, both sides argue to the contrary, again, it makes no difference to me, but Trump is beating the weeds again about his credentials. Personally, there is much more I have issue with than where he was born.

Sadly, this is the same mess we're getting from other "birthers". Casting doubt on his citizenship while at the same time saying they aren't. How can anyone take you seriously about anything when you're naive enough to believe a crackpot theory based on Obama's parents, grandparents, relatives and the State of Hawaii all engaging in conspiracy to ensure he was born in the US? I mean really...

Here's the conversation where the Grandmother supposedly said he was born in Kenya. Thought you were better than this man.....

Here's the conversation:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa
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OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.
 
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Yanno, he could simply shut all these mofos up by producing the document, that's what everyone else does.

Don't know why BLACK folk don't understand that fact!

If it was any other black mofo holding out.. they all in here would be tearing that person apart....smdh
 
J4L, what he produced was a certificate of live birth, and not a birth certificate,his own grandmother said he was born in Kenya. I am not an Obama supporter, I have waaay too many other reasons to disagree with his policies. But Trump is not exactly in the same category as the "birthers", believe me, he wouldn't be after this as hard as he is if he wasn't convinced otherwise. Again, I don't care if he was born on mars, I have more issues with his presidency as opposed to where he was or was not born.

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Sadly, this is the same mess we're getting from other "birthers". Casting doubt on his citizenship while at the same time saying they aren't. How can anyone take you seriously about anything when you're naive enough to believe a crackpot theory based on Obama's parents, grandparents, relatives and the State of Hawaii all engaging in conspiracy to ensure he was born in the US? I mean really...

Here's the conversation where the Grandmother supposedly said he was born in Kenya. Thought you were better than this man.....

You mean you though he was brainwashed like you?

Name me 5 legit things you like about this president.. besides the fact he has black in him...
 
Didn't the State of Hawaii verify a number of times that they have his birth certificate on record? The myth that his grandmother said he was born in Kenya has long been debunked.

Sure did.

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real
By Dan Nakaso, The Honolulu Advertiser

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated Monday afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
 
Sure did.

Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real
By Dan Nakaso, The Honolulu Advertiser

In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated Monday afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

J4L that is a certificate of live birth.. if Obama ever produced a real birth certificate... this issue would have BEEN over.

That's the least of my concerns when it comes to Obama though..
 
Ever noticed how proud black folks are to show they dis-like Obama?

Ever noticed how proud Obama was to stand up for our HBCUs and jobless black folk...


He was sholl proud to represent the Gays and Latinos...

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J4L that is a certificate of live birth.. if Obama ever produced a real birth certificate... this issue would have BEEN over.

That's the least of my concerns when it comes to Obama though..

Where in that article does the Hawaii official say "certificate of live birth"?
 
The one's who don't think Obama is a citizen have serious issues. Do you honestly think the government would allow a non U.S. citizen to be President of The United States of AMERICA? You do know they're certain qualifications to be President? Some of you need to stop allowing the media to take over your minds and use realism for once.

1. Dude is a U.S. Citizen
2. When dude became President the government was messed up badly and it was inevitable that the economy was going to get worse but it has eased up.

Whoever thought everything would just get better overnight is simply naive and the main one's complaining couldn't do any better because things that were done couldn't be fixed overnight.

Most of you all have allowed the Hannity's, Trumps, and O'reilly's get in your heads, plain and simple. Obama isn't perfect, he has his fault but i believe dude is for the people and is trying to get the U.S. on track. Actually when he won the Presidency, i told many it would take 4 years to get things going smoothly, i was not one that think things were happening overnight. I'm sure he learned a lot while in office. As far people on here criticizing dude for favoring gays, dude is not favoring them, he is just not judging peeps because no one on earth has the right o judge anyone morally, a higher power has that authority and he's not on earth.
 
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The one's who don't think Obama is a citizen have serious issues. Do you honestly think the government would allow a non U.S. citizen to be President of The United States of AMERICA? You do know they're certain qualifications to be President? Some of you need to stop allowing the media to take over your minds and use realism for once.

1. Dude is a U.S. Citizen
2. When dude became President the government was messed up badly and it was inevitable that the economy was going to get worse but it has eased up.

Whoever thought everything would just get better overnight is simply naive and the main one's complaining couldn't do any better because things that were done couldn't be fixed overnight.

Most of you all have allowed the Hannity's, Trumps, and O'reilly's get in your heads, plain and simple. Obama isn't perfect, he has his fault but i believe dude is for the people and is trying to get the U.S. on track. Actually when he won the Presidency, i told many it would take 4 years to get things going smoothly, i was not one that think things were happening overnight. I'm sure he learned a lot while in office. As far people on here criticizing dude for favoring gays, dude is not favoring them, he is just not judging peeps because no one on earth has the right o judge anyone morally, a higher power has that authority and he's not on earth.

Good to now you trust the government... You trust them with your social security we all been shelling out over the years too huh?

How many retired family members you have still working or looknig for work because the "HAVE" to..
 
I don't trust the government on everything but there is to much red tape to get approved to run elections and to be the President. A long process that many have to approve and investigate things so i would think they wouldn't allow someone who isn't a citizen be running the U.S. Nothing but political smokescreen like many things but i see some don't realize that. The Government is far from perfect also. I have retired family members. Some work because they want, they don't have to. Most that are retired in my family are chillen and traveling btw the little people have always been pushed to the backburner, it's sad, wrong but true. The government and the system is corrupt that's not a secret.
 
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I don't trust the government on everything but there is to much red tape to get approved to run elections and to be the President. A long process that many have to approve and investigate things so i would think they wouldn't allow someone who isn't a citizen be running the U.S. Nothing but political smokescreen like many things but i see some don't realize that. The Government is far from perfect also. I have retired family members. Some work because they want, they don't have to. Most that are retired in my family are chillen and traveling btw the little people have always been pushed to the backburner, it's sad, wrong but true. The government and the system is corrupt that's not a secret.

If you are part of the establishment whether it be democrat or republican.. alot of the red tape is ignored..

IE. how many senators have we heard of not paying taxes and still work in DC.. getting promoted?
 
If you are part of the establishment whether it be democrat or republican.. alot of the red tape is ignored..

IE. how many senators have we heard of not paying taxes and still work in DC.. getting promoted?

When you have friends in high places that's what happens. BTW, Why is Obama the only President that was asked about his birth certificate? One thing about white people they stick together and do most things behind closed doors but black people are the opposite, that's a shame and that's a major problem that cripples us as a race.
 
J4L, what he produced was a certificate of live birth, and not a birth certificate,his own grandmother said he was born in Kenya. I am not an Obama supporter, I have waaay too many other reasons to disagree with his policies. But Trump is not exactly in the same category as the "birthers", believe me, he wouldn't be after this as hard as he is if he wasn't convinced otherwise. Again, I don't care if he was born on mars, I have more issues with his presidency as opposed to where he was or was not born.




Pardon my ignorance, isn't it the CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH that counts? I'm sitting here looking at my birth certificate (from way back in 1971) and it states:

"This Document should be carefully preserved. It is your family's heirloom record of the facts pertaining to your child's birth. The law requires that the original certificate (not this document) be filed with the Vital Statistics Office at the Kansas State Department of Health from which an original copy may be made official"


My Certificate of Birth DOES NOT have the official seal of the State of Kansas on it; it was issued from the hospital where I was born and not from the State of Kansas. But my CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH does have the official seal. When it came time for me to get my driver's license & my Affidavit of Registration (Voter), Arkansas would not accept my Certificate of Birth because it didn't have the seal; they accepted my CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH without question.

I always thought if a document(birth, death, high school transcript, etc) did not have the State's Seal, it was not significant/valid.:noidea:


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Pardon my ignorance, isn't it the CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH that counts? I'm sitting here looking at my birth certificate (from way back in 1971) and it states:

"This Document should be carefully preserved. It is your family's heirloom record of the facts pertaining to your child's birth. The law requires that the original certificate (not this document) be filed with the Vital Statistics Office at the Kansas State Department of Health from which an original copy may be made official"


My Certificate of Birth DOES NOT have the official seal of the State of Kansas on it; it was issued from the hospital where I was born and not from the State of Kansas. But my CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH does have the official seal. When it came time for me to get my driver's license & my Affidavit of Registration (Voter), Arkansas would not accept my Certificate of Birth because it didn't have the seal; they accepted my CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH without question.

I always thought if a document(birth, death, high school transcript, etc) did not have the State's Seal, it was not significant/valid.:noidea:


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uhh ohh 96 lioness. you are not from America. im finna get the birthers on you.
 
When you have friends in high places that's what happens. BTW, Why is Obama the only President that was asked about his birth certificate? One thing about white people they stick together and do most things behind closed doors but black people are the opposite, that's a shame and that's a major problem that cripples us as a race.


In government and those Ivy league schools it's not about white or black.. It's only that way with the HBCU's and State PWC schools that are not IVY league..

We always fall into that trap!

Trust me Obama and blacks from Standford, Princeston, Harvard, MIT, CIT ect. are not viewed the way they view us.
I guess what I am saying is.. when you are part of the clique there is no "red tape" with those folk.
 
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