Division 1 HBCUs Should Consider Dropping Football To Gain Basketball Glory


jag4life said:
I wonder how much free pub SU received. Has to be in the millions. Just playing on CBS against a #1 seed is worth a few mil$ in publicity, but add trending on twitter for a good few hours during and after the game is worth a lot also.
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As well as the exchange that took place between Pablo Torre and Broussard (who deserves MAJOR credit for making the most of that situation).
 
jag4life said:
I wonder how much free pub SU received. Has to be in the millions. Just playing on CBS against a #1 seed is worth a few mil$ in publicity, but add trending on twitter for a good few hours during and after the game is worth a lot also.
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I'm glad someone brought SU into this. I would like to see some numbers as to how the pub for almost beating Gonzaga affected the SU website, application numbers, etc.
 



In_The_662 said:
I'm glad someone brought SU into this. I would like to see some numbers as to how the pub for almost beating Gonzaga affected the SU website, application numbers, etc.
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Honestly, for a one year thing, I don't think it had much effect. If they do things consistently, I can see it pay off. Free pub is always good but really, how many college bound HS kids were really watching and giving a dayum? Gongaza still won and SU went back to being SU. Players who want to go to the big schools still won't consider SU but it might help them recruit some of the leftover kids when are trying to make a decision.
 
I don't believe we should go as far as dropping football, but I can defiantly see where the author is coming from. I do think our programs need to put more money into basketball. Lets be honest nobody really cares about FCS football except the people that are in it and what makes it worse is that SWAC schools can't even compete with the other FCS programs so what is the point.

At least in basketball our schools got a shot at being recognized nationally, that's not going to happen anytime soon with football. Some of you say that it is luck of who gets hot in the conference tournament, but if we put more money into basketball to the point where we are winning a lot more non-conference games we could probably get multiple bids into the tournament.

Basketball is the only sport that HBCUs can play on an even scale with other Div. 1's and compete on a national stage, so it would be easier to recruit from. Anything that can be accomplished in college basketball can be done at an HBCU with money investments, I can't say the same thing for football.
 
Dynamite said:
Basketball is the only sport that HBCUs can play on an even scale with other Div. 1's and compete on a national stage, so it would be easier to recruit from. Anything that can be accomplished in college basketball can be done at an HBCU with money investments, I can't say the same thing for football.
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And baseball
 
i will say no to the thread topic.
however, i do support an HBCU, of any level, shifting resources to a focused sport be become an expert(regularly successful). why be somewhat ok across the board than great a few? which such an approach, the institution might be more profitable and better resourced, collectively, than before.

i'm actually surprised this hasn't been present yet.
 
According to the Delta Cost Project at American Institutes for Research, FCS programs spend roughly $36,000 per athlete. (according to data complied from a 2010 report)

- 27 percent of those dollars are funneled to athletic student aid.
- 0.7 percent is used for recruiting.
- 10 percent is used for travel and expenses
- 14 percent is used on equipment and facilities.

Source of athletic budget revenue:
- 42 percent from student fees
- 5.9 from ticket sales.
- 4.8 from television contracts and conference distribution.
- 9.8 from donors.

Texas Southern, a school that finished 16-2 in SWAC play but was ineligible for the conference tournament this year, had basketball expenses that totaled $1.5 million. Grambling State, which finished the season winless, grossed $324,000 in expenses.
 
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number1 said:
So with no football, how are we going to finance the other non-revenue sports like baseball, softball, etc.?
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Some schools make up the costs by attracting students with their academic programs. My college attracts tons of adults into its Masters program and the Undergrad attracts kids from all over including kids whose parents have very deep pockets and are business owners.

It also helps if you are in areas where you are battling tons of other colleges. Mine only has Paul Quinn & University of Texas in Arlington (maybe TCU as well) as the closest colleges to it. We just got basketball and quite a few DISD & private school kids are on the team and a new stadium in being built. So getting money won't be an issue.


FGCU spends almost $10M on athletics without football. They are definitely investing in their product.
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To a certain point they don't have a choice. If we just talk about the state of Florida-who do they have to fight with for kids? Florida, Florida State, Miami &, Florida International. Along with the conferences they represent.

Then you look at the conference they play in-Mercer & Stetson-who else is really a threat? And most of those school do one thing good-they lose to HBCUS at least once or twice.

As for Butler & Northern Iowa. How many money beatdown games do they play? They play near and around their schools. Aside from the Big 10-how many powerhouse conferences do they deal with in recruiting versus SWAC schools?
 
look at it like this...Norfolk State won last year but did it raise their profile any more than it already is? Did SU benefit from the 1993 win over Georgia Tech (only a few saw it) or the 1993 Bayou Classic in front of 70K on NBC?
 
You can make that big splash in basketball, but you better make sure you make sure your team continues the hot streak and avoids becoming a one-hit wonder.
 



Have you guys ever seen a Monday night SWAC basketball game with less than 100 people in the stands???? Or, am I the only one? So, we drop football for that???
 
people saying as much as we invest in football, but let's really look at it................do we really invest THAT MUCH in to football???? Look around the conference at the facilities we are playing in, outside of Bama St, TXSU, who else really has a nice stadium??? UAPB, SU, and AAMU??? Does anybody in the conference have an indoor practice facility???? State of the art weight room? Large nice offensive/defensive meeting rooms? Separate position coaches meeting rooms? A robust recruiting budget? Hell if anything I don't think we put enough in to football to ensure that it is productive. This may get a bit long but here we goooooo................you talk about possibly giving up football when your conference is in the CRADLE OF THE COUNTRY WHERE FOOTBALL IS A RELIGION!!!??

TXSU and PV -------> these 2 schools are located in a HUUUUGE state where athletes abound. Realistically neither of these schools should have to go outside of Texas to get good players.

GSU and SU ----------> these 2 schools also sit in fertile recruiting region and an edge that they have is that they only have LSU and maybe ULL who is on an upswing to worry about. Even with that being said, LSU can't sign all of the talent in Louisiana.

UAPB --------> may probably be in the best position outside of Texas and Alabama because they have the whole state to themselves and UA and Ark. St. They can also dip into Tenn, Missouri, Louisiana, and Texas.

Valley, JSU, Alcorn --------> may be in the toughest situation because of the smaller population and the fact that they not only have to compete with each other but also has to compete with Ole Miss, Miss. St. and USM. The one thing that helps the schools out is that Mississippi has the best JUCO football in the nation, so that supplements not having more high school talent to a certain extent.

AAMU and Bama St. ------> Even though they have Bama, Auburn, and Troy the state of Alabama is football crazy and no team in Bama should ever have a problem getting players, also they can step off into the hotbed of recruiting in Georgia/Florida and get a few talented kids.


This is just a little quick blurb, but each school and the conference as a whole needs to recognize their strengths and play to them. We make to many excuses as to why we can't get things down instead of using what we have to our advantage.
 
WalkWitaPanther said:
Have you guys ever seen a Monday night SWAC basketball game with less than 100 people in the stands???? Or, am I the only one? So, we drop football for that???
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WWP the SWAC Office does not understand marketing and/or lacks the vision to work with ESPN to put the right games on TV. Not all SWAC basketball games are like that, especially this year. If ESPN gives the SWAC office the available tv dates, the SWAC office needs to alter the game schedule from year to year in order to show rival games or marketable games on tv. It is easier to do with basketball than it is with football, but the SWAC office is too lazy to attempt it.
 
TSUGIRL07 said:
WWP the SWAC Office does not understand marketing and/or lacks the vision to work with ESPN to put the right games on TV. Not all SWAC basketball games are like that, especially this year. If ESPN gives the SWAC office the available tv dates, the SWAC office needs to alter the game schedule from year to year in order to show rival games or marketable games on tv. It is easier to do with basketball than it is with football, but the SWAC office is too lazy to attempt it.
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Call me being a homer. I don't care. Valley/JSU (at Valley) should be on TV every year. Always gonna be a full house and it looks good on TV. No tricky camera angles needed :lol:
 
TSUGIRL07 said:
WWP the SWAC Office does not understand marketing and/or lacks the vision to work with ESPN to put the right games on TV. Not all SWAC basketball games are like that, especially this year. If ESPN gives the SWAC office the available tv dates, the SWAC office needs to alter the game schedule from year to year in order to show rival games or marketable games on tv. It is easier to do with basketball than it is with football, but the SWAC office is too lazy to attempt it.
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Schools have the right to refuse TV games. Some have done that for football to protect ticket sales.
 
You guys always forget the most important hurdle. How do you recruit and maintain coach-able and quality talent when these kids and their are taught to associate anything that looks like them as bad? :idea:
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
GSU and SU ----------> these 2 schools also sit in fertile recruiting region and an edge that they have is that they only have LSU and maybe ULL who is on an upswing to worry about. Even with that being said, LSU can't sign all of the talent in Louisiana.
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They're other programs that are good and formidable recruiting foes to S.U. and Gram.....LA. Tech, Louisiana Monroe and Tulane and that is just the FBS schools come to mind. If memory serves me correctly, ULM appeared on national t.v. 3-4 times this year and LA. Tech actually cracked the top 25 for a minute either this season or last. Tulane is young but has been mopping up the last two years in recruiting. I'm not complaining though, but one cannot dismiss those programs as well as some that are edging us out on some players on the FCS level in Louisiana. It's just not that "black or white" the way you stated it.
 
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