JAG89
THE NEW AMERICA'S TEAM
I'll have to agree with you on that. It's called, "the White man's ice is colder than the Black man's ice syndrome" and the White man is now selling us fake ice at extremely high prices.
APR Announced, Including Penalties
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I'll have to agree with you on that. It's called, "the White man's ice is colder than the Black man's ice syndrome" and the White man is now selling us fake ice at extremely high prices.
BRAVEHEART123
The Clown Prince of Crime
See, this APR deal is an HBCU-Wide Problem. To solve this mess, we first have to figure out are the issues the same when it comes to BOTH SWAC and MEAC teams. We can't just beat this thing from a SWAC Standpoint anymore.
JAG89
THE NEW AMERICA'S TEAM
It's a combination of both. The NCAA is out to destroy HBCU sports and our leaders are sitting back allowing them to do it.
Journalist
Listen up maggots! And that's an order!
You know what Jerry Tarkanian said ... http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-tarkanian-appreciation-20150212-story.html
Tarkanian's rolling mantra was that the NCAA had a double-standard for enforcement, that it picked on smaller schools but protected the sugar-daddy power programs. This produced variations of his most famous quote: "The NCAA was so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland State two more years of probation."
Depending on his audience, he would often sub in UCLA and say the NCAA was going to "get so upset at UCLA, they'll put Northridge on two years probation."
Journalist
Listen up maggots! And that's an order!
I honestly believed SWAC/MEAC administrators and college presidents underestimated the impact of APR during the run-up to its implementation. Once again, HBCU leaders NOT BEING PROACTIVE. Once those penalties started rolling in, those leaders started to get reactionary. Instead of implementing conference-wide measures to help ALL members, the schools were pretty much left to their own devices for a few years.
Now, like @JAG89 I do believe the NCAA has a double standard when it comes to enforcement. Hell, no one in a Power 5 or FBS or whatever conference took APR seriously until UCONN men's basketball got hammered with a postseason ban.
However, I believe that SWAC/MEAC APR problems are more self-inflicted by not properly training folks and incompetent leadership than the intelligence of our student-athletes.
TSUalum05
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I understand what you are saying...We are now talking about two different things. Me: Subsidies. You: hawkish, profiling - HBCUs. Your points have evolved from talking about subsidies to this, which I understand.
We have mentioned competence throughout this thread. In our case we were fortunate to have the leadership of Dr. McClelland and Dr. Rudley to take APR, NCAA sanctions seriously.
Journalist
Listen up maggots! And that's an order!
The Founder
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Ok we want to blame administrators but don't the students play a role in this?
1. You have academic advisers that plan the classes.
2. Student athletes must pass their classes.
3. They progress toward graduation
4. Students graduate
That's the simplistic way to look at it. All this conversation about money and presidents is bullshit.
Furthermore in the Louisiana the GRAD ACT can help a school.
30 x 4 = 120 (that's 5 classes a semester or 10 classes a year
15 hours a semester and no summer courses.
Ok...say a kid goes to summer school and takes 6 hours
3 x 6 = 18
120 + 18 = 138
Per GSU's website a student must complete a minimum of 125 credit hours of course work to graduate.
http://www.gram.edu/academics/requirements/
Let's say a kid plays football.
12 hours in the fall or 4 classes
15 hours in the spring or 5 classes
12 x 4 =48
15 x 4 = 60
Total 108
Summer school 6 hours
6 x 4 = 24
Total 132
So what is so hard for a kid to take and pass 4 or 5 classes a semester?
Some of these problems lie with the student athlete.
1. You have academic advisers that plan the classes.
2. Student athletes must pass their classes.
3. They progress toward graduation
4. Students graduate
That's the simplistic way to look at it. All this conversation about money and presidents is bullshit.
Furthermore in the Louisiana the GRAD ACT can help a school.
30 x 4 = 120 (that's 5 classes a semester or 10 classes a year
15 hours a semester and no summer courses.
Ok...say a kid goes to summer school and takes 6 hours
3 x 6 = 18
120 + 18 = 138
Per GSU's website a student must complete a minimum of 125 credit hours of course work to graduate.
http://www.gram.edu/academics/requirements/
Let's say a kid plays football.
12 hours in the fall or 4 classes
15 hours in the spring or 5 classes
12 x 4 =48
15 x 4 = 60
Total 108
Summer school 6 hours
6 x 4 = 24
Total 132
So what is so hard for a kid to take and pass 4 or 5 classes a semester?
Some of these problems lie with the student athlete.
JAG89
THE NEW AMERICA'S TEAM
I applaud TSU for getting their act together in athletics and meeting the NCAA's APR guidelines, but the main focus of ALL schools is ACADEMICS for ALL students. IMO, SU is managing a lot better than most of those Louisiana Southland schools during the state's budget crisis. Although I initially used subsidies to make my point by following the money, my message has always been the same, which is pointing out the NCAA's irregularities when it comes to issuing penalties.
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2kool
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I'm referring to the presidents of the universities that constantly have this problem. Or problems with the athletic department in general.
Why is it that presidents are blameless when their athletic departments are in shambles? It seems that we like to blame ADs, shiddy employees, and the commissioner, the students, but never want to point the finger at the head of the snake.
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2kool
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1. The problem isn't 100% on academics. There are athletes out here going to class, passing, and getting scholarships yanked because a coach mis-evaluated his/her playing ability during the recruiting process.
2. The reality is, you'll NEVER have that kind of student output without massive changes to the academic support structure inputs. Power 5 schools have "officers" making sure players are actually going to class, among other amenities. We don't have a quarter of those resources dedicated to athletics.
jsupop33
Loyalty & Respect
@The Founder
If the academic advisor is affiliated with athletics, his loyalty will be to the coaches... ask @Kendrick about Mr. Lowe, when he and I were playing ball at JSU.
If the academic advisor is affiliated with athletics, his loyalty will be to the coaches... ask @Kendrick about Mr. Lowe, when he and I were playing ball at JSU.
The Founder
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Well if school is not following thru with that they need to do then there are consequences. I'm saying this based on what GSU is doing with a far shortage of resources, and a constant shift of instability in leadership. Apparently we are doing something right outside of having 3 different presidents in a 7 year period and at least 4 different ADs.
jsupop33
Loyalty & Respect
@The Founder
If the academic advisor is affiliated with athletics, his loyalty will be to the coaches... ask @Kendrick about Mr. Lowe, when he and I were playing ball at JSU.
If the academic advisor is affiliated with athletics, his loyalty will be to the coaches... ask @Kendrick about Mr. Lowe, when he and I were playing ball at JSU.
Yall also haven't had a year that basically counted as NOTHING to the NCAA. That year won't roll off for a couple more years.
The Founder
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You should worry about SU. LOL
JSUTigers1877
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I am with Jag89 and the late great Jerry Tarkanian. Also, I agree that the administration at Southern brought these issues on themselves. But the NCAA have schools like UNC that blatantly cheated academically with witnesses and they still have yet to come down on them. Its obvious that we will be hit because of penalties from the larger schools. The NCAA are not receiving enough backlash for what they are doing from us at HBCUS even though we play a role in it. However, the larger schools would raise hell. UNC will get notice of what is about to take place then self impose their own sanctions before official notice comes out.
Yep.
There are things I wanna say about Lowe than will cost me a trip to heaven. I'll play nice for now.
Herbert77060
Texas Southern University
It is not a little competency....trust me.
JAG89
THE NEW AMERICA'S TEAM
The NCAA didn't do anything to UNC because they said it was a scam that ALL students benefitted. Not only this would have been a violation of NCAA's rules, but UNC's accreditation should have been in jeopardy, but it was business as usual for them. And most of their Black graduates will get jobs over Blacks from HBCUs who actually earned their degrees just because they graduated from UNC or some other well-known PWC. I think Black communities should be more critical of hiring Black graduates from PWC's, SU definitely should have when they hired Greg LaFleur incompetent ass, but he was hired on a political hookup.
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The Founder
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I just don't think 100% of the problem is the administration. There are levels of accountability.
I truly believe our schools can get out of this APR hole if folks just did their fucking job.
I truly believe our schools can get out of this APR hole if folks just did their fucking job.
Herbert77060
Texas Southern University
And that is where accountability comes in. And I agree with you.
How can anyone purport to advise a student regarding academics(matriculation & progression) if they themselves were a marginal student as an undergraduate? I have a serious problem w/ that fact and in arbitrarily observing here and there, it's painfully obvious who was serious and can functionally advise well vs those others who are borderline illiterate imho. 
2kool
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Who sets the tone for accountability? The AD or the president?
The Founder
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The buck ALWAYS stops with the President no matter what. Which I can understand to a certain point but is a president certified to be a Compliance Officer? Case and point GSU over the last few year have had scientist as presidents. I think our universities especially HBCUs place too much value in a person with an EdD or PhD. Give me a person with B.A. or B.S. with sound judgement any day. The first thing you will have out of black folk's mouths will be "He/she ain't got no PhD they no qualified." Look at every presidential search committee and I will bet $1 against a dime the first thing is: "A doctorate in a field of study from an accredited university."
Hell I know some people with PhDs and EdDs that if you asked them what methods they used in their doctorate they would tell you Microsoft Word. LOL
A university is a business and that CBS show about the boss who dresses up like an employee has proven that many owners only know one side of their business. Our presidents only know one side of the university business which is why they should hire individuals who can do the job. Yet, at many of our schools folks just want to STEAL a check.
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