An Ironic Situation


Tigerpride said:
On November 20th, on ANY other year, if JSU was 10-1, and that one loss was to Alabama State, we would ALREADY know we are not going to the SCG becasue ASU plays TU and the EAST rep would be set. Therefore, JSU would be playoff eligible.
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so TP,
are yall mad and on a vendetta against the NCAA for banning yall from post season play? you know, kinda like yall were on a rampage against the SWAC after its decision. :scared:

just asking...
 
CEE DOG said:
Man I tell you one thing, you JSU fans lie more than anyone in the world. They teach yall that in JSU 101- Theoretical Lies huh? :lol: You have fans and alumni who go to other folks games just like every other school does. I work and live by JSU fans who don't go to your games just like ours. The truth is TXSU game yall offered a deal. You are not going to be able to do that 11 games a year. Your fans would not come out year after year because going FBS is a pipe dream. Troy ST has more folks who give back than all 20 teams from the MEAC and SWAC together. Yet they are struggling at FBS. So would JSU.
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Cee, are you smoking something? We already had this talk about the games in Jackson. Our fans in Jackson is not going to travel to Nashville to see TnST play. They may go down to Baton Rouge or Alcorn, but it depends on how they're teams are. You talking about JSU alumni that lives in Bama and I'm talking about Jackson fans that stay in Jackson. Dont you know that 85-90% of our fans that fills our stadium each Saturday are fans in the city of Jackson and the surrounding areas? You did know that, right? Those are the ones I'm talking about. Not the ones that lives over a 2 hour drive from the stadium.

And are we Troy St? They maybe struggling but hell they giving it a try instead of staying in FCS crying and *itching about scholarships getting pulled, their band cant afford to travel to conference sister schools, etc.... Hell, I havent read anywhere yet where they stated that they may have to drop down. If they can do it, then hell we can too. I'm tired of this lazy ass n e g r o mentality of "We's got it good here. Why yall wanna leave dis? They treat us good hea." Like I said earlier, this conference isnt putting any more money in our school's pockets than back in the 80's.
 
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MikeBigg said:
My concern is that we're losing ground...and fast. Time was in the 80's we entertained hopes, dreams, desires of playing SEC teams and winning. Hell, I can recall when Southern Miss was afraid to play JSU and damn near got beat (definitely got outplayed by JSU) in the 80's. SMU had to get some phanthom calls to escape Grambling in the mid 80's. Now, we hope that we can be competitive against Southland Conference schools. Folks...we're losing ground!
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And another thing MikeB. In alot of our instances, our States/Governors have already told us that we need to find other alternatives to funding alot of things dealing with our schools, including athletics. But we are too scared to atleast go out and research these other options. I guess we think these states/governors are playing with us or something. Like they dont mean what they're saying.
 
Blacknbengal said:
And another thing MikeB. In alot of our instances, our States/Governors have already told us that we need to find other alternatives to funding alot of things dealing with our schools, including athletics. But we are too scared to atleast go out and research these other options. I guess we think these states/governors are playing with us or something. Like they dont mean what they're saying.
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It goes so much beyond just athletics and any "ego" factor of just saying we are "D1". We are in the student business and our primary source of revenue is from tuition...without students we have no need to exist. Expanding our schools beyond what we're currently getting from the SWAC is vital. I love the SWAC...I grew up with the SWAC... I would love to see Grambling and the SWAC grow. But neither is growing and that's not pointing a finger at either. But as you say, we need to grow and we need more exposure. Our exposure as a school and as a conference needs to be better.

It's time to scrap the SCG and also the 9 game mandate. It is also time to return to the FCS playoffs... ESPN is looking for post season football games. They sponsor the FCS playoffs...can we afford to miss that exposure. Yeah the Bid Process sucks for us, but hosting a home playoff game AFTER the Bayou Classic would mean back television exposure. Grambling faces declining support from the State, we need to be exposed to even more students. We have a beautiful campus and a wonderful football program and top flight school of higher learning. I think we need to showcase it to the national audience. I make no bones about it... I hope we're not in the FCS playoffs long. If I had my way, we'd get in that tourney and makes some noise, win a championship and bolt for FBS status either with the conference or by moving on.
 
MikeBigg said:
It goes so much beyond just athletics and any "ego" factor of just saying we are "D1". We are in the student business and our primary source of revenue is from tuition...without students we have no need to exist. Expanding our schools beyond what we're currently getting from the SWAC is vital. I love the SWAC...I grew up with the SWAC... I would love to see Grambling and the SWAC grow. But neither is growing and that's not pointing a finger at either. But as you say, we need to grow and we need more exposure. Our exposure as a school and as a conference needs to be better.

It's time to scrap the SCG and also the 9 game mandate. It is also time to return to the FCS playoffs... ESPN is looking for post season football games. They sponsor the FCS playoffs...can we afford to miss that exposure. Yeah the Bid Process sucks for us, but hosting a home playoff game AFTER the Bayou Classic would mean back television exposure. Grambling faces declining support from the State, we need to be exposed to even more students. We have a beautiful campus and a wonderful football program and top flight school of higher learning. I think we need to showcase it to the national audience. I make no bones about it... I hope we're not in the FCS playoffs long. If I had my way, we'd get in that tourney and makes some noise, win a championship and bolt for FBS status either with the conference or by moving on.
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Dude, you've said a mouthful right there. If you didnt post anything else, that would have cleared alot up.
 
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mighty hornet said:
How much money was the conference "putting in our school's pockets back in the 80's"?
How much money is the conference "putting in our school's pockets" now?
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Is our conference exposing our product? That ESPNU deal fell in the the SWAC's front office laps. They didnt go after ESPNU. Are they actively searching for good, "BIG" sponsors for our product. To be honest, I truly think the State Farm basically sponsors the SCG based off their sponsorship from the Bayou Classic and any other classics that they sponsored first. Not anything dealing with what the SWAC front office did.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Is our conference exposing our product? That ESPNU deal fell in the the SWAC's front office laps. They didnt go after ESPNU.
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based on what?
Are they actively searching for good, "BIG" sponsors for our product. To be honest, I truly think the State Farm basically sponsors the SCG based off their sponsorship from the Bayou Classic and any other classics that they sponsored first. Not anything dealing with what the SWAC front office did.
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again, please explain
 
mighty hornet said:
based on what?

again, please explain
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MH, what is it that you're not understanding? The SWAC is putting as much into our school's pockets as they put back in the 1980's. This is the era of "Technology". I see more highschools (across the nation) being shown on tv now than SWAC games. If you have DirectTV, you can see those games on those 600 channels. What is the SWAC doing to (like MikeB said) bring exposure to our product to help bring in finances? That ESPNU deal came to us, not the SWAC going to ESPNU lobbying to come and show our games. The sponorship deals that our schools have, our schools went out and got. Did the SWAC go to State Farm and say, "Hey State Farm, you know you really ought to think about sponsoring the Bayou Classic. The Magic City Classic. The Southern Heritage Classic"? The SWAC folks sit on their asses and get paid of the backs of our schools while our schools budgets are getting ripped to hell. Can you tell me (since you're asking questions) what the hell a conference is good for? What's the benefits and liability of being in a conference that doesnt go out to expose their product? Can you tell me that?

We *itch and moan about our school's adminstration, but yet our conference officials are doing as much injustice to our schools as they are. The SWAC office folks are robbing us blind as much as our schools administrators.
 
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MikeBigg said:
It goes so much beyond just athletics and any "ego" factor of just saying we are "D1". We are in the student business and our primary source of revenue is from tuition...without students we have no need to exist. Expanding our schools beyond what we're currently getting from the SWAC is vital. I love the SWAC...I grew up with the SWAC... I would love to see Grambling and the SWAC grow. But neither is growing and that's not pointing a finger at either. But as you say, we need to grow and we need more exposure. Our exposure as a school and as a conference needs to be better.

It's time to scrap the SCG and also the 9 game mandate. It is also time to return to the FCS playoffs... ESPN is looking for post season football games. They sponsor the FCS playoffs...can we afford to miss that exposure. Yeah the Bid Process sucks for us, but hosting a home playoff game AFTER the Bayou Classic would mean back television exposure. Grambling faces declining support from the State, we need to be exposed to even more students. We have a beautiful campus and a wonderful football program and top flight school of higher learning. I think we need to showcase it to the national audience. I make no bones about it... I hope we're not in the FCS playoffs long. If I had my way, we'd get in that tourney and makes some noise, win a championship and bolt for FBS status either with the conference or by moving on.
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Mikebigg,

Both HBCU playoff games last season were only showed online on ncaa.com, not ESPN. The SWAC and MEAC are the only two FCS conferences who have ESPN broadcast packages. That's WITHOUT these playoffs. We get more exposure throughout the season than most of those teams.
 
jag4life said:
Mikebigg,

Both HBCU playoff games last season were only showed online on ncaa.com, not ESPN. The SWAC and MEAC are the only two FCS conferences who have ESPN broadcast packages. That's WITHOUT these playoffs. We get more exposure throughout the season than most of those teams.
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But J4L, we (FCS) are all in the same boat in some areas and in others we're not. We cant be worried about what those other FCS folks are thinking and doing. Hell, our problems may not be their problems. We know what our problems are and we need to find a solution to solve/correct them.
 
beans,
You're the one on this rampage, throwing out outlandish assertions and accusations that you present as facts. I'm simply just asking you to explain or support them with links, documents, etc. Or better yet, think before you say them.

Regarding sponsorships, I don't know what the SWAC office did/didn't do. You seem to say that you do. How do you know? How did the ESPNU deal fall in the SWAC's lap? I don't know what the SWAC put in school's pockets in the 80s or now. You seem to say that you do. What are those amounts?
 



Blacknbengal said:
Cee, you're blinded by racism. OVC doesnt have any money, just like SWAC, MEAC, SIAC, or any other small conference. I'm talking about investigating options greater than where we're at now. And our fans support our team as long as we're winning (regardless of who we play). That Thursday night game against TxSo showed that. We dont flock to other's homecoming game when our team has a home game.

You put a good product on the field with a reasonable price, our fans will show up to see "OUR" team.
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So, not saying you shouldn't move up, but if you do, usually, just moving up leads to a number of losses at the beginning. So, do you really believe that statement you made above?
 
mighty hornet said:
beans,
You're the one on this rampage, throwing out outlandish assertions and accusations that you present as facts. I'm simply just asking you to explain or support them with links, documents, etc. Or better yet, think before you say them.

Regarding sponsorships, I don't know what the SWAC office did/didn't do. You seem to say that you do. How do you know? How did the ESPNU deal fall in the SWAC's lap? I don't know what the SWAC put in school's pockets in the 80s or now. You seem to say that you do. What are those amounts?
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MH, what I wrote a 2nd grader could keep up and understand. It's simple as black and white.

As far as the sponsorships goes, just research and see how long some of these sponorships being going on. Ask the Gram/SU folks did the SWAC office broker their sponsorship with State Farm. How long has State Farm been sponsoring their classic. If you dont know, I'll be happy to tell you. State Farm has been the primary sponsor since 1996 and before that I believe that it was several sponsors together like Coca-cola, Budweiser, etc... The SWAC office didnt broker those sponsorships.
 
SU Jag 79 said:
So, not saying you shouldn't move up, but if you do, usually, just moving up leads to a number of losses at the beginning. So, do you really believe that statement you made above?
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Yes. I do. And hell, I wouldnt mind look at moving up going independent or something. Anything, but sitting in this same spot crying about what's getting cut, how much money the State is now giving us, who's not giving back, etc... We have to do SOMETHING.
 
Blacknbengal said:
But J4L, we (FCS) are all in the same boat in some areas and in others we're not. We cant be worried about what those other FCS folks are thinking and doing. Hell, our problems may not be their problems. We know what our problems are and we need to find a solution to solve/correct them.
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So basically you bolded what MB said but didn't agree with it? Because now you're saying we don't need to do what other FCS conferences are doing to get exposure (even though we get more TV exposure anyway)?
 
And to put more to the subject, while alot of these FBS schools are jumping conferences and leaving other conferences looking a mess and shabby, we dont know what will happen to alot of these lower-midlevel FBS conferences and their teams. I'm sure that this ripple effect will affect some of them too.
 
jag4life said:
Mikebigg,

Both HBCU playoff games last season were only showed online on ncaa.com, not ESPN. The SWAC and MEAC are the only two FCS conferences who have ESPN broadcast packages. That's WITHOUT these playoffs. We get more exposure throughout the season than most of those teams.
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Yes we do... and to my point, ESPN would want to show us in the playoffs as well. I ain't a proponent of the playoffs, especially it's bid requirement format. However, I am in favor of being shown on ESPN during the close of football season for everyone else. I know for a fact that ESPN televises the FCS championship game... That's the prize! Imagine the next HBCU that makes it to the FCS championship game and the result that would have on recruiting students and student-athletes. Grambling is now in a situation with a Governor who has slashed funding... we need athletics (specifically our football program) to be the lure it was during the Eddie Robinson early years in terms of giving us exposure. Of course we will always turn out quality students...but we are better known nationally for the Sports program. I'm not ashamed to admit that or so foolish as not to take advantage of it. This dude we got at Governor ain't sending nothing our way... we need exposure to get students and donors.
 
jag4life said:
So basically you bolded what MB said but didn't agree with it? Because now you're saying we don't need to do what other FCS conferences are doing to get exposure (even though we get more TV exposure anyway)?
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Dude, I'm telling you not only do we need to get exposure, but we need to to a conference/place that will promote our product more. The SWAC isnt promoting isht. Those other conferences probably isnt going through what we're going through, then again maybe they are. Maybe someone in their conference is having this same conversation I'm having with you with a someone with the same mind as yours. Who knows? But I do know what "OUR" problem is over here and I know that "WE" need to work on finding a solution to ours. I'm not worried about what they are doing in their conferences. Comprende?
 
MikeBigg said:
Yes we do... and to my point, ESPN would want to show us in the playoffs as well. I ain't a proponent of the playoffs, especially it's bid requirement format. However, I am in favor of being shown on ESPN during the close of football season for everyone else. I know for a fact that ESPN televises the FCS championship game... That's the prize! Imagine the next HBCU that makes it to the FCS championship game and the result that would have on recruiting students and student-athletes. Grambling is now in a situation with a Governor who has slashed funding... we need athletics (specifically our football program) to be the lure it was during the Eddie Robinson early years in terms of giving us exposure. Of course we will always turn out quality students...but we are better known nationally for the Sports program. I'm not ashamed to admit that or so foolish as not to take advantage of it. This dude we got at Governor ain't sending nothing our way... we need exposure to get students and donors.
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I'm guessing folks have been saying that for 34 seasons.
 
Blacknbengal said:
And to put more to the subject, while alot of these FBS schools are jumping conferences and leaving other conferences looking a mess and shabby, we dont know what will happen to alot of these lower-midlevel FBS conferences and their teams. I'm sure that this ripple effect will affect some of them too.
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For one thing, they're gonna be looking for games...Revenue games. That means they will play BCS schools for a million bucks and then look to buy some games from us to help with their stadium capacity/attendance issues. Our AD's have to be smart and make sure we get paid a good "subcontractor" fee. I'm looking at ULM's schedule and see that they're playing Fla State for a million...then they're paying me $250k up front and 7k tickets. My flat rate from BCS conference schools is $500k minimum. I'm using my remaining non-conference (providing the SWAC stops the 9 game and make it 8 mandate) to play a local/regional FCS opponent to get a good Playoff seeding!
 
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