It SUCKS! The Dems dropped the ball on this one. 
A quick comment about this health care bill
- Thread starter SAME OLD G
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No public option
No Co-op
No option to choose health care providers
No Medicad expansion.
What else?
jsupop33
Loyalty & Respect
Personally,
I don't think the public option or the Co-ops would have had any effect on healthcare cost. The Federal government currently pays about 40% of the healthcare cost in the country.
However, I agree with you. The bill sucks because it will allow the greed and corruption to continue.
I don't think the public option or the Co-ops would have had any effect on healthcare cost. The Federal government currently pays about 40% of the healthcare cost in the country.
However, I agree with you. The bill sucks because it will allow the greed and corruption to continue.
players
Banned
Too many perk's to buy votes.
Nobody know exactly how much this will cost.
Every state is on the hook to pay Nebraskas health care expenses forever to get a vote.
The citizens of Nebraska are the only people that will not pay one dime of expenses, no matter how much each year, out of their pocket or out of any state revenue to cover expenses.
Perks for a Hospital at UCONN for a vote.
Etc, etc, etc.
Just another do nothing Rich get Richer washington Bill.
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JSU/99
Well-Known Member
The bill is imperfect but it doesn't suck. There are some good things in this Bill. http://www.politico.com/static/PPM136_091221_managers_early_deliverables.html
But basically this imperfect bill was all the Democrats can get. They may have 60 votes in number but not in reality. This is the downside of having so many moderate - conservative Democrats in the caucus - a group many on this board identify with. You can't expect progressive legislation to come from a slow-moving Senate driven by moderates.
But basically this imperfect bill was all the Democrats can get. They may have 60 votes in number but not in reality. This is the downside of having so many moderate - conservative Democrats in the caucus - a group many on this board identify with. You can't expect progressive legislation to come from a slow-moving Senate driven by moderates.
The bill sucks! Dems could have and "should have" gotten more.
JSU/99
Well-Known Member
As a Democrat, you can't do much when 5 or more members of your own caucus didn't want meaningful reform and the entire Republican caucus refused to even participate. Republicans were determined not to give Obama any support in this effort while several Democrats did everything in their power to limit this bill.
Like I said. It sucks.
SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
TOTAL Government control is the main purpose of this bill..
They ain't trying to help no one.. they said it was urgant...:retard:
It will still be MILLIONS with out care... If it was this urgent with all the power the democrats have... no way would the public option been left out...
It about these people master minding keeping theirselves in office and collecting ALL of those special perks and benefits off of OUR hard work...
I can't believe yall don't see this...
They ain't trying to help no one.. they said it was urgant...:retard:
It will still be MILLIONS with out care... If it was this urgent with all the power the democrats have... no way would the public option been left out...
It about these people master minding keeping theirselves in office and collecting ALL of those special perks and benefits off of OUR hard work...
I can't believe yall don't see this...
JSU/99
Well-Known Member
I expect the senate bill to improve some once the House has a chance to weigh in.
SUtrp, if total goverment control was the goal, we would've gone to a single payer system or at the very least a STRONG public option. Neither is in this Bill.
Many of those "left out" in the bill will be illegal immigrants.
SUtrp, if total goverment control was the goal, we would've gone to a single payer system or at the very least a STRONG public option. Neither is in this Bill.
Many of those "left out" in the bill will be illegal immigrants.
southsuburbs
What I Live By...
Public Option would be like Medicare/Medicaid....which are controlled by the government. The "purpose" of the public option was to try to force the PRIVATE companies (Blue Cross/Blue Shield, etc.) to lower their premiums which are way too high and out of control...technically not directly controlled by the government (but we all know there's double dipping).
With the Public Option if a person doens't want to purchase the Private options then yes...they would be forced to get a public option plan. Supposedly the government would offer supplemental "checks" to families/individuals that can't afford the premiums for the public option (something that is not offered right now) so they would still have health insurance. So basically if the public option premium is $100 and the family can only afford $50 of it...the govt. will cover the remaining $50.
This is my interpretation of what they were trying to "sell" us in the beginning. Of course...everything has changed 3/4/5 times...so I don't know exactly where we are anymore.
Regardless the Private health insurance industry is out of control and there needs to be reform/options.
I am very dissappointed in Congressional Dems b/c they dropped the ball big time. But as someone pointed out above...All Dems aren't the same and don't vote the same (unlike Republicans). My thing is...a rep should vote according to his/her constituents and their needs. If majority of his/her area has insurance, doing well off...taxes would skyrocket with the passing of the reform bill...then Yes that Rep should vote against the Bill. But that is not the case for most of the Congressmen both Dem and Repubs.
Hopefully everyone remember what their Congressman/Senator voted for when election time rolls around...I know I will. Mine voted FOR a public option :tup:
SUtrp96
HBCU SCREAMING CHAMP 99'
It's a lot more to the push for the public option than just forcing the insurance companies to lower their premiums...
How can ANY private company for profit compete against a government ran or coop (government funded) company.. Who don't have to make profits because they are paid off of tax dollars...which come from the American citizens?
If you want to force the insurance companies to lower their premiums open the borders for to which one can purchase health care insurance... There are ways to get private companies to be more competitive than forcing a Public Option...aka "Government intrusion"..
JSU*Toi
New Member
It SUCKS! The Dems dropped the ball on this one.
That is leaderships fault, starting with the President. I my opinion the decision of allowing the Congress and Senate to write the bill instead of sending them a blueprint to use as a guide was flawed. Which created a flawed process.
I agree with you .
See my response to you earlier.
Were do you get your information from? :retard:
Again?!? What? :retard:
Very true
I agree with you on many of your points. I would also add some Dems and many Reps were so caught up in the "drama" surrounding the town halls that they never really took time to find out their constituents wants and needs.
Is this bill a great bill no? However there are some good things in the bill and some things currently in the works that will improve the bill and make it a better bill. The issues with this whole process is a lot of you (like most of America) are getting your information from 5 mins news segments and slanted articles so you have not true view of what is in the bill.
I read the House version of the bill and was in a briefing for the senate version. The bill is far from anything I wanted and in my opinion not as good of a bill as the one Clinton proposal some 10 years ago. However it is the only option we have now so we will have to work with it.
JSU/99
Well-Known Member
The Clinton bill in 1994 was better. But it failed - in part because of the perception among some Dems that Clinton failed to include Congress in the drating process. President Obama tried to learn from that failed effort and let Congress take the lead on the bill. Problem is, he went too far the other way and you ended up with a muddled process. But in the end, we did get a Bill that has some things that activists have been trying to get passed for years. And we have a framework in place where you can go back and revisit the public option and other reforms on an individual basis after the 2010 elections.
ToPdOg
Well-Known Member
See Fedex, UPS, and private schools.
JSU*Toi
New Member
That was a very very small part of it. It largely failed because of Newt Gingrich and his war on any and everything Clinton. If you read his book he talks about how the bill was not a bad deal but he was determined to kill it because Clinton had the never to put his wife in charge of it.
skyvolt2000
Well-Known Member
Don't forget public schools. Our insurance company was offering health insurance for 24 bucks a month.
What do you get for that? THE RIGHT TO SAY YOU HAVE INSURANCE. THere were no benefits or perks to that. Yet you had folks sign up for it.:shame:
Seeing Spots
Joyful Woman!
Bane
The Vilian
Not only Newt Gingrich, but the Dems were pissed that Clinton tried to force a bill down their throat without their input. Clinton should have included some Congressional members. I don't blame Obama for taking the opposite approach. The Dems are so damn weak. Harry Reid could have used Cloture and got everything he wanted in this bill. Instead he choose to go the long drawn out route and this bill is ok at best. But without a Public Option to compete with private industry, how in the hell do they expect to bring down cost. This is only fattening the Health Care companies.