NCAA To Impose "Unprecedented" Penalties On Penn State


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Blacknbengal said:
Stop trying to be like TP, there's only one of him. And since you obviously missed the point, I'm going to give it to you this time free of charge. It's about the kids. Penn St kids that has gave part of their lives to this University for several reasons and did not have anything to do with this mess. I could careless about the University itself.
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More kumbaya stuff.....

Tell me this, at what university where it is NOT about the people or the KIDS?

Seems like Penn State overlooked those KIDS that Sandusky drilled on campus for almost two (2) decades.
 
JAG89 said:
More kumbaya stuff.....

Tell me this, at what university where it is NOT about the people or the KIDS?

Seems like Penn State overlooked those KIDS that Sandusky drilled on campus for almost two (2) decades.
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Yes Penn St did. So now we right a wrong with another wrong and hurt more kids? Gotcha! The good ole American way.
 



mighty hornet said:
If you're a Penn State player and you consider transferring "punishment", then stay at Penn State. It's THAT simple. Stop trying to make it more complicated than it is.
Heck, the vast majority of times when schools get sanctioned, its not an offense that allows the players to transfer and not have to sit out a year. Penn State players can do that.
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It is definitely a punishment to the players. They've developed relationships and friends with many others. Now they'll have to leave and go to unknown parts and start all over again. This doesn't even count those players who might be married. All would have to pick up and leave if they want to go to a team that has a chance of competing for the Big Ten championship.

Let your job just lay you off out of the blue and see how difficult it is to just pickup and leave and start all over again.
You make it sound so easy for young adults to do who don't have a dime in their pocket when they pack up.
 
JayRob said:
uLet your job just lay you off out of the blue and see how difficult it is to just pickup and leave and start all over again.
You make it sound so easy for young adults to do who don't have a dime in their pocket when they pack up.
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Right! Just moved back home and this has not been a piece of cake.
 
JAG89 said:
He's too busy defending Penn State that he forgets to answer anyone's question.
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Dude, we're defending the rule of law. This goes far beyond Penn State.
In every NCAA case, schools had the option to request a hearing to discuss THEIR side of the equation. That was taken away by threats by the NCAA to bring even more charges against the school requesting a hearing. That can't be justified at all and it's NEVER happened in NCAA history.
The NCAA has set a precedent, getting it's foot in the door to be able to do this to OTHER schools if it pleases. Before now, they didn't have this authority.
 
JAG89 said:
More kumbaya stuff.....

Tell me this, at what university where it is NOT about the people or the KIDS?

Seems like Penn State overlooked those KIDS that Sandusky drilled on campus for almost two (2) decades.
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Penn State didn't do that, Sandusky, Paterno, the AD and President did and guess what? They're being charged for their crimes. Who else is to blame? I keep asking this, but no one is answering.
 
JAG89 said:
Like I told your buddy Jayrob, "two wrongs don't make it right, but it damn sure makes it even".
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This makes no sense at all. Two wrongs makes it even? How is punishing innocent folks who had nothing to do with the situation making anything even?
 
Jayrob, is it your goal or are you determined to get people to see it your way? Can everyone just respectfully agree to disagree and move on? :confused:

After all these pages, I don't see anyone's stance changing on the matter.
 
JayRob said:
This makes no sense at all. Two wrongs makes it even? How is punishing innocent folks who had nothing to do with the situation making anything even?
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So Sandusky didn't destroy innocent little boys while Penn State and the surrounding community allowed it to happen?
 
C-LeB28 said:
Jayrob, is it your goal or are you determined to get people to see it your way? Can everyone just respectfully agree to disagree and move on? :confused:

After all these pages, I don't see anyone's stance changing on the matter.
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This is a public forum for respectful sports dialogue isn't it?:noidea:
 
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JayRob said:
Penn State didn't do that, Sandusky, Paterno, the AD and President did and guess what? They're being charged for their crimes. Who else is to blame? I keep asking this, but no one is answering.
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Those individuals you listed were Penn State. They were Penn State leaders. If the majority of people at Penn State would have pushed their leaders to have more institutional control, maybe they wouldn't be feeling the effects of this now. Since the majority decided to ignore their leaders, they suffer due to their leaders actions or non-actions, which is the same as the people in this country has to suffer from the mistakes made during President Bush’s Era.
 



JayRob said:
How did the surrounding community allow it to happen if they didn't know about it?
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Didn't Sandusky, Joe Pa, the President of Penn State, and the AD lived in the surrounding community. I still like to know what happen to the District Attorney that came up missing? All those individuals are/were a part of the surrounding the community.
 
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JayRob said:
It is definitely a punishment to the players. They've developed relationships and friends with many others. Now they'll have to leave and go to unknown parts and start all over again. This doesn't even count those players who might be married.
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Nobody is being forced to leave/transfer.
 
mighty hornet said:
Nobody is being forced to leave/transfer.
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The advantages/reasons they had before coming to Penn State have all been taken away. You make it sound trivial and easy to have to pack up and leave a school and community one has come to know and love through no fault of your own to go to a school that's championship qualified.

Merely transferring to another school is a penalty within itself. Will the schools pay for the player's plane or bus ride to their school? Will the university help get his girlfriend, child moved as well?
The lost friends, the relationships that he's leaving behind must be taken into account as well. Nevermind though, none of that's important in the scheme of things, just as long as he gets the choice of transferring. That solves everything.
 
Let it go Jayrob. The punish is done and Penn State agreed to it because they know they got enough dollars to be good again one day. Wasn't like they were going to win the Big 10 in the next few years anyway looking at their recruits even before all the fallout with Joe Pa. They will clean up their act, they are already raising record amount of money. They are the state flagship school in PA and still wield political power so they are going to be fine. They can afford to pay out all those victims and that fine and rebuild. What scares me is what will the NCAA do to other schools since they have opened this box. Folks can dismiss it all they want as this was just a Penn State punishment. Brent Musburger said it best today. This basically gives the NCAA carte blanche to do what they want. Might not be the same type of scandal Penn State had. But you best believe the next time some crime scandal happens at another school that those Penn State folks will be sitting there watching. All I can say is folks better tread lightly.
 
JayRob said:
The advantages/reasons they had before coming to Penn State have all been taken away. You make it sound trivial and easy to have to pack up and leave a school and community one has come to know and love through no fault of your own to go to a school that's championship qualified.

Merely transferring to another school is a penalty within itself. Will the schools pay for the player's plane or bus ride to their school? Will the university help get his girlfriend, child moved as well?
The lost friends, the relationships that he's leaving behind must be taken into account as well. Nevermind though, none of that's important in the scheme of things, just as long as he gets the choice of transferring. That solves everything.
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That's why a lot of those kids are going to stay there. Some ESPN folks were saying that yesterday. A lot of ex athletes were saying they doubt it is a mass exodus. Somebody like Silas Redd is going to get taken care of because folks want to him to come play for them. So they will make it happen if you know what I mean.
 
This is a hot topic all over. I've seen the same arguments made on both sides on tv, heard them on the radio and read them in blogs. Good dialogue.
 
JayRob said:
The advantages/reasons they had before coming to Penn State have all been taken away. You make it sound trivial and easy to have to pack up and leave a school and community one has come to know and love through no fault of your own to go to a school that's championship qualified.

Merely transferring to another school is a penalty within itself. Will the schools pay for the player's plane or bus ride to their school? Will the university help get his girlfriend, child moved as well?
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JayRob, I would undertstand your rant if this was not NCAA standard. What is wrong with you. EVERYTIME a school gets punished, it was past transgressions so people who were not involved have to deal with it. This is nothing new. They HAD to punish the program because people in the program GREATLY violated the NCAA standards of ethics. This is not just a criminal case. To be in the NCAA, you have abide by NCAA guidelines.
 
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