Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
What's your question. I DIRECTLY addressed my question to you. You answered everyone else but me...
NCAA To Impose "Unprecedented" Penalties On Penn State
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What's your question. I DIRECTLY addressed my question to you. You answered everyone else but me...
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
The NCAA didn't have to get involved because the schools acted accordingly and got rid of their azzez. If White had a gun and Anderson, Braddy, and Mason concealed it, then you can compare it to this case. Had they concealed it, they would have violated NCAA ethics laws. They didn't...so no NCAA involvement. The only way the NCAA gets into simple matters like the ones you posted is if you get people in the NCAA who don't understand what happened at Penn State. You don't understand what happened at Penn State and that is the problem. This Penn State stuff only happens every 200 years. You won't see anything like this again in your lifetime.
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C-LeB28
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Yeah, you're right. My bad.
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Robber
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So the concealment is what makes it the "ethical violation"??? I guess it's cool for coaches to fvck athletes, staff and students, as long as there's no conspiracy to conceal the deed by others. GTFOH!!! A violation is a violation. They ain't pull ethics out their asses in the zillion years they existed. Now, y'all slinging it around like its the norm. Penn State got what it deserved. Just from the wrong party.
JR
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LOL @ Robber. I see where you are going with this and I agree.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
Exactly. Now you get it. If Penn State had reported this when they first heard about it, NONE of this would be happening. This is not happening becasue of what Sandusky did. If this was just about Sandusky, it would just be a criminal matter. It became a NCAA matter when Pateno and the AD threw ethics out of the room. The NCAA has a law for it so they clearly have to abide by it.
As for who is fcuking in the department, that is not a criminal action Mr. Lawyer. :lol: What the coach at Arkansas did was not a criminal offense so if people knew about it, they knew about. I find it totally different if I walk in here and catch my boss in his office banging a technician than me walking in here and catching him molesting her son. People can get their freak on (legally) however they want to. Many people say that SWAC coaches bang students but most students are 18 and older. That's not a criminal offense. They only way they are even breaking school rules if the student is in that coaches gym class and she receives special treatment. People get fired for sexual harrassment, etc...but not for most "common" sins of the world.
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CEE DOG
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The difference is grown women at those places agreeing to consent. Those grown parties both were willing participants. Well, now at PSU, only the rich and powerful consented together. Hike, Hike. :scared:
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
It's not against NCAA violations to fcuk somebody. :lol: Look, its just like some people say one sin is no worse than the other but everyone I know would disagree with that. I don't think one would say that raping someone is as bad a telling a little white lie. This was a criminal offense they were covering up for the prestige of the football program. Then they aided and abetted (Robber, how do you spell that word? :lol
the criminal. That goes beyond banging the secretary while your wife is away on business.
JayRob
TigaPaw
If Penn State would've sued the NCAA on this matter, they would've won. The President threw the school under the bus and gave the NCAA a foot in the door to pass these type judgements on future schools. That's my main point and the point that Penn State's President bowed down without even consulting HIS superiors on the matter.
JayRob
TigaPaw
It's not against NCAA violations to fcuk somebody. :lol: Look, its just like some people say one sin is no worse than the other but everyone I know would disagree with that. I don't think one would say that raping someone is as bad a telling a little white lie. This was a criminal offense they were covering up for the prestige of the football program. Then they aided and abetted (Robber, how do you spell that word? :lol
So it wouldn't be a moral or ethical violation for an athletics coach to entice a subordinate into a sexual liaison by making subtle threats of loss of employment if the subordinate refuses sex? That's not an ethical or moral violation? LOL!!
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
Dude, don't you think Penn State has a TEAM of lawyers? Don't you think those lawyers were present when Penn State signed those papers? Penn State would not have won anything and those Penn State lawyers knew it. In fact, they KNEW that had they tried to challenge this, PSU would have been in deeper schitt. This is actually a slap on the wrist. You talk about innocent people getting hurt, had they took this to trial, Paterno's wife would be living on the street.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
Yes it is and the person who made those threats should be fired but that is a violation that a school can handle by simply firing that person ON THE SPOT. The point you keep missing is that this was a criminal case that turned into an ethical issue. Why did they cover it up? They didn't SEEM to care about kids continually being molested. They continued to let it happen. They had a moral obligation to stop it and they didn't. They let it keep going and going and going and going... You all keep trying to simplify this to something that one person is doing. This situation had many layers. That is just like 50 years ago, when women could get raped at work and the men would say nothing about it. It was very common back then because they wanted the women in the kitchen and they didn't want them there anyway. Imagine that happening today. You think that company would not go down for it? If it was one perp and they caught him, fired him and sent him to jail, the company would have been safe. Penn State made decisions that threw their safety out of the window.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
Part II. But if the school knew this was going on, it was reported and DOCUMENTED, yet they turned a blind eye, then the entire department is in jeopardy. That department is supposed to hire people who will run things the right way; not cover it up.
JayRob
TigaPaw
Please present exhibit A please. Did Penn State have time to consult with it's attorneys and the board? According to Penn State's President...."no". It was a take it or leave it NCAA tactic, which is almost to the point of being illegal.
Still, the school should've been given a chance to give it's side of the story just like in every other NCAA case regardless. What was the rush? It usually takes the NCAA months and months to offer due process. Why the rush this time?
They were basically strong-armed into that decision which is basically illegal. That's what I have a problem with, but like some say, that's a moot point now.
Now the NCAA can come knocking on anyone of our doors and put to work those same procedures given to Penn State.
Folks gone learn how to treasure this important thing called "due process".
Many don't seem to understand it's importance in our society.
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JayRob
TigaPaw
NCAA has never imposed sanctions on a school for ethical issues unrelated to sports.
Who is this "they" you speak of? People keep saying "they", but they never say who "they" is.:lol:
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
Dude, this is a case like no other before it. The ethical issues here span years and unspeakable events.
As for Penn State not having a say, the Penn State BOARD ordered this investigation. It was sanctioned by AND accepted by them. I'm sure they knew the results before it was released to the public. They are not trying to refute the claims. That WAS their say. The NCAA used the PENN STATE SANCTIONED report. You are acting like Ohio State commissioned this investigation. :lol: If you pay someone to investigate something for you, you not gonna use their report?
They are Paterno, the AD and others at the university and athletics department who concealed this and gave Sandusky a key to the locker room. Those people are responsible with maintaining the ethics of the athletic department. In fact, they could have hit the whole department but since this was mainly to benefit the football program, they kept it football-related.
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Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
normally, the ethical issues are not related to the sports. It's just somebody who messed up. Again, this is different TOTALLY because of the depth of the cover up and the impact it had on lives. And at the ROOT of it is the football program and the football program benefitted by having one of the nations winningest coaches on the sideline and the fund raising ability of having such a stand up legend heading your program. They didn't want the bad press and, as JR and other are alluding to, Sandusky was probably raking in millions for the program to set those kids out. (now I won't get into allegations but there was a reason they kept dude around and why people came up missing). If this were a lesser football program, Sandusky would have been tarred and feathered a long time ago.
JR
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It's not against NCAA violations to fcuk somebody. :lol: Look, its just like some people say one sin is no worse than the other but everyone I know would disagree with that. I don't think one would say that raping someone is as bad a telling a little white lie. This was a criminal offense they were covering up for the prestige of the football program. Then they aided and abetted (Robber, how do you spell that word? :lol
They have opened the box up no matter how small or big the crime or ethical/moral violation is TP. We know it aint the same as banging the secretary. But you just wait until one of these jilted lovers or multiple lovers say one of these coaches abused them or some young gals who are students say one of your coaches has been fugging a bunch of 18 year co-eds. What Bobby Petrino did was unethical and had he not wrecked his motorcycle that day. He would still be banging that female he hired under unethical circumstances and you know folks at Arkansas knew he was hitting that and hired her for that reason. Sure it aint a Sandusky level criminal act or cover up of a crime. But the point is, where does the NCAA draw the line in the sand after this. We all know nothing of this magnitude will probably happen in a long time. But other isht will. I will be waiting to see what happens the next time some women say they got raped or sexually abused on the campus. If the NCAA had the balls they do now. Nebraska would have been hit for all the isht they let happen to women from Christian Peter to Lawrence Phillips. Tom Osborne would not be so revered. It will just be interesting to see what's next for the NCAA. Emmert already said when he took that job he wanted to be hard core on violations and such. Roger Goodell send help. Just pray none of our schools get caught up with no scandals that connect our coaches or administrations. We can't afford it like Penn State can and stay open.
Robber
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TP and Cee, are y'all suggesting it ain't unethical for coaches to be screwing players??? Y'all don't see the inherent violation of NCAA rules??? That they are grown is of no consequence. You're dealing with an organization that will punish a school because a player sells his own ring. Coaches are in a position of authority. It is unethical for a coach to get involved with students. But your beloved ethics bylaws never seemed to matter before.
JayRob
TigaPaw
Eventhough this is a moot point, I didn't know this until now about the state of Pennsylvania:
Let me review the legal issue here. At this juncture and level, the matter of interest is NOT the child abuse case. It is in fact the allegation of INACTION by Penn State authorities to report the matter. However, upon our investigation the State of Pennsylvania had NO law to report and had NO legal requirement on the university to report. Other states have those requirements, but apparently Pennsylvania did not. Who's fault is that? The 1998 football team? The incoming 2012 freshman or the returning 2010 recruit who is now a Junior and only half way through classes? Make no mistake, this is about the money. It has nothing to do with the student athlete or protecting their interests.
http://www.conquestchronicles.com/2012/7/23/3180572/ncaas-emmert-acting-legally-or-illegally
So who actually violated a state law by not reporting the incident if there was no state law requiring such reporting? Wow!!
TP, since you're in Pennsylvania, did you now this?
Let me review the legal issue here. At this juncture and level, the matter of interest is NOT the child abuse case. It is in fact the allegation of INACTION by Penn State authorities to report the matter. However, upon our investigation the State of Pennsylvania had NO law to report and had NO legal requirement on the university to report. Other states have those requirements, but apparently Pennsylvania did not. Who's fault is that? The 1998 football team? The incoming 2012 freshman or the returning 2010 recruit who is now a Junior and only half way through classes? Make no mistake, this is about the money. It has nothing to do with the student athlete or protecting their interests.
http://www.conquestchronicles.com/2012/7/23/3180572/ncaas-emmert-acting-legally-or-illegally
So who actually violated a state law by not reporting the incident if there was no state law requiring such reporting? Wow!!
TP, since you're in Pennsylvania, did you now this?
Robber
Consigliere
TP, stick to the church arguments you been making. Penn State's decision to go along with the NCAA actions had nothing to do with the viability of their legal claim. It's bad PR to challenge the NCAA on this. How much worse did they wanna look??? Penn State would have won a lawsuit had they decided to challenge this. The NCAA has no legal ground to stand on.
JROCK
Preeminent
True and the obvious. :tup:
JROCK
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Not sure you can make it any clearer.
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