Grambling voted in the top 25 to move to FBS


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JR said:
Yep. That about sums it up. Academics play a big part because if you move up to the FBS level, you have to have more majors to entice FBS level kids to come to our schools. Sounds like Bama State is doing so with their plan. I think MH mentioned a Forensic Science building. That is good stuff. But you nailed it about the academic side of it. You can move to FBS if you want to. But if your entire school has not upgraded themselves to be competitive for FBS level STUDENT-athletes. Then you just wasted your time. There is a lot of planning that has to take place before any of our schools make that move. No smack or jealousy from my part on what each SWAC school is currently doing to improve. We are just not there yet. None of us. Some are doing more than others but just not ready to make the jump. Poll or no poll.
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Since you from Louisiana, perhaps usatoday will now listen.
 
JR said:
First thing we need to do is sit down together and look at the blueprint of others who recently made that move. Look at what they offer academically. See how they increased student enrollments, added academic program, raised money from donors and alums for athletics so they can compete. You need to make sure your infrastructure can support fielding a FBS level football program. What the costs will be to do so. It will take serious research and planning first. A complete feasibility study that includes everything. Financial impact, Academic impact, etc. You may even have to bring in a third party to help you with the study. Then once you get all that. You will have to develop an action plan on how to accomplish that goal to move up if the study shows that it is a reasonable option for your school. There are enough case studies out there to see how others did to move up. You will definitely need to hire people who have done this before. You can't be new to the game and have some folks who have no clue leading the way just because they are alums of our schools or have worked at our schools for years.
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Good post.

I have a feeling that last sentence is each school's major hindrance.
 



To the Jag posters I agree. I think some SWAC.MEAC schools should make the move like the following:

Grambling
Southern
Jackson State
FAMU
SC State
Hampton

Set a blueprint for others to follow and use the SWAC and MEAC as a stepping stone.

Some of you are hell bent on hate. This is not to everyone.....
 
JR said:
First thing we need to do is sit down together and look at the blueprint of others who recently made that move. Look at what they offer academically. See how they increased student enrollments, added academic program, raised money from donors and alums for athletics so they can compete. You need to make sure your infrastructure can support fielding a FBS level football program. What the costs will be to do so. It will take serious research and planning first. A complete feasibility study that includes everything. Financial impact, Academic impact, etc. You may even have to bring in a third party to help you with the study. Then once you get all that. You will have to develop an action plan on how to accomplish that goal to move up if the study shows that it is a reasonable option for your school. There are enough case studies out there to see how others did to move up. You will definitely need to hire people who have done this before. You can't be new to the game and have some folks who have no clue leading the way just because they are alums of our schools or have worked at our schools for years.
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Thank you.
I give up on the other dude posting in this thread trying to comprehend. :lol:
 
Its not like we have Morehouse and Howard in the SWAC ROTFL. Some think they are on that level but the fact of the matter is no one in the SWAC can down the next on academics. BTW. The first thing the business minded think about when moving to the FBS I'd football, not academics. People can dress up statements all they want to. Smoke screens st its best.
 
JSUDMJ2004 said:
Again I applaud Grambling for getting on this list Hell JSU werent on it but in my honest opinion it was based on Conference record and no other factor..
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Exactly. GSU and SCState made the list becasue they are arguably the most consistent teams in their respective conferences over the last 10 years but we all know that they would not be the best options at this point if we had to choose teams in 2012 to move up to 1-A.
 
The Founder said:
To the Jag posters I agree. I think some SWAC.MEAC schools should make the move like the following:

Grambling
Southern
Jackson State
FAMU
SC State
Hampton

Set a blueprint for others to follow and use the SWAC and MEAC as a stepping stone.

Some of you are hell bent on hate. This is not to everyone.....
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Hampton's stadium is too small and they have no fan base.
 
SUJagFan said:
What do you think it would take to move up? What specific things would Grambling, Southern, Bama State or JSU have to do to move up?
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Adding to what JR has said, our administration would have to look at what others have successfully done (Boise State, preferably). Another thing is they have to engage our alumni and fans. Our administrations aren't transparent enough...share the plans and vision with us and inform the community of your plans and needs. Engage the city - there is no reason why JSU hasn't put itself in the position to move up. We're the only public institution in our state's capital. Get the city behind you, and show the businesses how their support to our university will reap them benefits. We have a large fan base, and that could be key to their support.

Increase your enrollment while maintaining academic integrity - it appears that Meyers is doing that now at JSU. Increased enrollments mean more fans in the stands, and more student fees. I love the HBCU atmosphere, but it needs enhancing. Have you gone to an SEC game? The player intros, the electricity in the stadium? Kids and athletes are attracted to that...athletes will come play for you and the kids are being engrained at an early age to become fans and supporters of your institution. And that's just the start of it.
 
In all actuality i don't see any HBCU moving up any time soon. Would have been smart to do it in the 80's and early 90's. That bus was missed. Also if you can't win your own conference on a consistent basis why move up to get beat down weekly?
 
usa today said:
Its not like we have Morehouse and Howard in the SWAC ROTFL. Some think they are on that level but the fact of the matter is no one in the SWAC can down the next on academics. BTW. The first thing the business minded think about when moving to the FBS I'd football, not academics. People can dress up statements all they want to. Smoke screens st its best.
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Care to explain how Georgia State, South Alabama, and UNC-Charlotte all have invites to FBS conferences while just starting their football programs? UNC-Charlotte hasn't even fielded a team yet, and has an invite to the CUSA.
 
usa today said:
Its not like we have Morehouse and Howard in the SWAC ROTFL. Some think they are on that level but the fact of the matter is no one in the SWAC can down the next on academics. BTW. The first thing the business minded think about when moving to the FBS I'd football, not academics. People can dress up statements all they want to. Smoke screens st its best.
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And BTW, the first thing the business-minded think about in FBS is market share...not football. Which is probably one of the many reasons that USA, Georgia State, and UNCC got invites.
 
Clarksdale_Wildcat said:
So basically, it's about more than football.
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More than football but remember FBS is a football "division". Anyone that would make that makes that move i'm sure they are given the qualifications and what needs to happen and i'm sure most have a plan to implement certain things and enhance certain areas. If one makes the leap to quick it will bite them in the azz, example. FAMU. Finances kills HBCU's. FAMU is academically sound and have good attendance and still couldn't make it.
 
This is a pointless topic because none of our schools have the money nor resources to move to FBS. UNC-Charlotte and GA State can make those moves because of their locations, high enrollment, facilities, and donors.
 



Clarksdale_Wildcat said:
Care to explain how Georgia State, South Alabama, and UNC-Charlotte all have invites to FBS conferences while just starting their football programs? UNC-Charlotte hasn't even fielded a team yet, and has an invite to the CUSA.
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UNC-Charlotte enrollment = 25K (already in C-USA in basketball)
Georgia State = 32K
USA = 15K (already in the Sun Belt in baksetball)

Enrollment, location and student fees. Same with UTSA and Lamar both with huge enrollments and not having football programs. When a few HBCU's can get back to having over 10K enrollments (the Texas schools, FAMU, maybe Jackon State) and getting consistent alumni support, then moving up should be considered.

Nonchalant said:
This is a pointless topic because none of our schools have the money nor resources to move to FBS. UNC-Charlotte and GA State can make those moves because of their locations, high enrollment, facilities, and donors.
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What I just said...
 
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In_The_662 said:
UNC-Charlotte enrollment = 25K (already in C-USA in basketball)
Georgia State = 32K
USA = 15K (already in the Sun Belt in baksetball)

Enrollment, location and student fees. Same with UTSA and Lamar both with huge enrollments and not having football programs. When a few HBCU's can get back to having over 10K enrollments (the Texas schools, FAMU, maybe Jackon State) and getting consistent alumni support, then moving up should be considered.



What I just said...
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Dr. Meyers is all about high enrollment numbers at JSU!
 
If you don't have a strong financial backing what good is enrollment? Student fees alone won't be about to help a HBCU survive on the FBS level. Alumni open their pockets at PWC's. Black people are to stingy to give back like that plain and simple.
 
Nonchalant said:
This is a pointless topic because none of our schools have the money nor resources to move to FBS.
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Period. The only one I was a <b>part of w/ donating $$$-time-being paid lol to tutor certain student-athletes :read:, <u>voted for to approve the pending land deals that currently house where the new stadium is located across from the old stadium </u> :read:, ...</b> is University of North Texas. I saw it all first hand and I can ASSURE all a solid plan has to be in place before that type FBS (former I-A) move occurs.
 
JSUDMJ2004 said:
Dr. Meyers is all about high enrollment numbers at JSU!
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Dr. Meyers' and her staff (Hoard & Rennick) and Dr. Harvey at Hampton are the only administrations among HBCUs, right now, that are competent enough to formulate a strategic plan to make such a move to FBS. People forget that our current staff at JSU were the same ones at NC A&T who formulated their strategic plan to move to FBS.

Jackson State will easily get the high enrollment and more donors in the next few years. Our problem is marketing, large amounts of financial support among alums/fans, a few other variables I will not mention.
 
Panther88 said:
Period. The only one I was a <b>part of w/ donating $$$-time-being paid lol to tutor certain student-athletes :read:, <u>voted for to approve the pending land deals that currently house where the new stadium is located across from the old stadium </u> :read:, ...</b> is University of North Texas. I saw it all first hand and I can ASSURE all a solid plan has to be in place before that type FBS (former I-A) move occurs.
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Exactly. People need to realize that if you don't have the resources and funds to make such a move, your school should AT LEAST have some quality leadership who are progressive and competent enough to form a strategic plan for such a move. When Dr. Harvey arrived at Hampton in the 1980s, he formed a strategic 10-year plan to move out of the CIAA and into the MEAC. Not only did his plan provide a smooth transition, his teams came into the conference kicking ass. :lol: That is the type of leadership that most of our schools lack. I don't even know why anyone brought Alabama State's name into this topic. Their new president is the dude from Clark-Atlanta who...nevermind. :shame:
 
Nonchalant said:
Dr. Meyers' and her staff (Hoard & Rennick) and Dr. Harvey at Hampton are the only administrations among HBCUs, right now, that are competent enough to formulate a strategic plan to make such a move to FBS. People forget that our current staff at JSU were the same ones at NC A&T who formulated their strategic plan to move to FBS.

Jackson State will easily get the high enrollment and more donors in the next few years. Our problem is marketing, large amounts of financial support among alums/fans, a few other variables I will not mention.
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How in the hell do you know that? So you know the workings at every HBCU. rotfl. You ASSume.

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Nonchalant said:
Dr. Meyers' and her staff (Hoard & Rennick) and Dr. Harvey at Hampton are the only administrations among HBCUs, right now, that are competent enough to formulate a strategic plan to make such a move to FBS. People forget that our current staff at JSU were the same ones at NC A&T who formulated their strategic plan to move to FBS.

Jackson State will easily get the high enrollment and more donors in the next few years. Our problem is marketing, large amounts of financial support among alums/fans, a few other variables I will not mention.
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And A&T is still in the MEAC.
 
JayRob said:
Since you from Louisiana, perhaps usatoday will now listen.
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Uh JayRob. I am a SU alum and know La pretty well but you know I am from Jackson. LOL. But this topic has nothing do with where any of us are from. I wasn't speaking from any city or state perspective on this.
 
In_The_662 said:
UNC-Charlotte enrollment = 25K (already in C-USA in basketball)
Georgia State = 32K
USA = 15K (already in the Sun Belt in baksetball)

Enrollment, location and student fees. Same with UTSA and Lamar both with huge enrollments and not having football programs. When a few HBCU's can get back to having over 10K enrollments (the Texas schools, FAMU, maybe Jackon State) and getting consistent alumni support, then moving up should be considered.



What I just said...
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I knew the answer to all of that, which was in one of my previous posts on this thread. I was only asking USA Today because he felt that moving up to FBS was just football related.
 
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