Why Not Us?

[stroke]

I Know we have beaten this subject to dealth. But year after Year we see smaller schools get better in the NCAAs basketball tournament. Why Not Us?
Why Cant we ever get a seed other then 16 seed? Why havent we gotten any better but everone else has? We play a million Money games yet all this money over the past 10 years havent taught us how to beat the "Big" Teams or given us enough money to Buy a Better team. but what is weird is That we seem to be the only conference to do this.. The MEAC does it ( not as much as we do) but they arent getting whipped like a step child and their top teams actually wins a few games, take Morgan State win over Arkansas.
Will we ever get out the "Play in Game", and or the 16th seed (heck we only get a 16th seed when a Bottom of the pack MEAC Team pulls a upset)?

 

[players]

Why not us? :lol:
Because no matter if we play Duke or S Dakota St, we end up, in our best over the top year,4-8 at the start of the year with a steal over a team like New Mexico St or UTEP and can only beat other SWAC teams after that.

Look at JSU and UAPB this year.........November thru December.
JSU was 4-10 and UAPB was 0-11 in the pre-season and then went through the conference like butter.
JSU's wins were over Millsaps, Miles, Wagner, and Eastern Michigan.:retard:
We will never get anything higher than a 16th seed as long as we prove we can't even compete with the MID MAJORS at the start of the year.
(JSU lost 2 games to world beaters SFA..........:lol

Forget competing with the Dukes and kansas teams of the world in december.

 

[Tigerpride]

Why not us? :lol:
Because no matter if we play Duke or S Dakota St, we end up, in our best over the top year,4-8 at the start of the year with a steal over a team like New Mexico St or UTEP and can only beat other SWAC teams after that.

Look at JSU and UAPB this year.........November thru December.
JSU was 1-10 and UAPB was 0-11 in the pre-season and then went through the conference like butter.
We will never get anything higher than a 16th seed as long as we prove we can't even compete with the MID MAJORS at the start of the year.
(JSU lost 2 games to SFA..........:lol

Forget competing with the Dukes and kansas teams of the world in december.

Players, I think you missed the question.

His question is why is SFA better than us. :lecture:

1.) My opinion is #1: We are black folks are harder on ourselves. All we see is the bad we do, never the good. I think we just put two good teams in the post-season and they played well.

2.) Money. We don't give to our schools or have good donors. It would help to win some games if we were not so tired and could travel better, sleep better, and eat better.

3.) Money again... for asst coaches, S&C coaches, nutritionists, etc...

Not to say that a school like SFA is ballin but I would bet they have a better infrastructure. Sure we play the money games but money games also have to help keep the athletic department afloat. The bball team does not directly benefit from it. The only thing we could benefit from the money games is HOW to play the bigger teams. I think JSU coaches had a good gameplan for MS State and playing teams like that in Nov-Dec was probably a big help in gameplan development. I would have loved to play SFA at the end of the season. We had to use Nov-Dec to develop a team.

 

[players]

Players, I think you missed the question.

His question is why is SFA better than us. :lecture:

1.) My opinion is #1: We are black folks are harder on ourselves. All we see is the bad we do, never the good. I think we just put two good teams in the post-season and they played well.

2.) Money. We don't give to our schools or have good donors. It would help to win some games if we were not so tired and could travel better, sleep better, and eat better.

3.) Money again... for asst coaches, S&C coaches, nutritionists, etc...

Not to say that a school like SFA is ballin but I would bet they have a better infrastructure. Sure we play the money games but money games also have to help keep the athletic department afloat. The bball team does not directly benefit from it. The only thing we could benefit from the money games is HOW to play the bigger teams. I think JSU coaches had a good gameplan for MS State and playing teams like that in Nov-Dec was probably a big help in gameplan development. I would have loved to play SFA at the end of the season. We had to use Nov-Dec to develop a team.

Same problem, different sport. :noidea:
See SWAC football and get back to me 5 pages later on this thread.

The meac actually win a few games and put up a fight during the regular season.
Morgan State beat Arkansas and came within' 9 points of Louisville.
Then they won the regular season championship and the Tournament Championship.
15th seed.

 

[Robber]

Seeding is based on performance and perception. When folk think you are good, you get a better seed. Folk think you are good when you play well and win games. When JSU took Kansas to the wire in '93, and beat a few other schools, it got the SWAC a #13 seed. SU then went on to beat Ga. Tech, and JSU went to the NIT and beat UConn, then lost to SW Missouri State at home. So, it's not impossible. We simply have to do better. Even in defeat, we need to play better. Losing by these wide margins don't help. Even when JSU played Florida, as close as the game was at the half, the final score was astronomical. I think our players tighten up in non-conference games, and play out of their comfort zone.

 

[Kendrick]

We have to figure out what we want to be as a conference. Do we want to just do enough to get by? Or do we want to position ourselves to be consistently competitive at the D1 level.

Yeah, the SWAC got two teams in postseason tournaments. However, those games ended like they always do. With us dying in a Jigsaw trap.

Our entire support system can't accept taking beat downs on national TV. I know you can be proud of the effort our kids give, but the outcome is nothing to be proud of. Losing by 56 points to UConn, no matter how great they are, is nothing to be proud of. Getting beat up by Duke is nothing to be proud of. Losing to Miss. State is nothing to be proud of.

It takes a collective effort, and a little risk taking by the league, member schools and us to put more productive products on the field and court.

 

[Tigerpride]

Same problem, different sport. :noidea:
See SWAC football and get back to me 5 pages later on this thread.

The meac actually win a few games and put up a fight during the regular season.
Morgan State beat Arkansas and came within' 9 points of Louisville.
Then they won the regular season championship and the Tournament Championship.
15th seed.

Like I said earlier, we only see the good in others and the bad in ourselves. The MEAS has ONE team that did something THIS year. :lol: They are in the same boat as us...as are a lot of conferences. We are just more intimate with our situation.

 

[Tigerpride]

Our entire support system can't accept taking beat downs on national TV. I know you can be proud of the effort our kids give, but the outcome is nothing to be proud of. Losing by 56 points to UConn, no matter how great they are, is nothing to be proud of. Getting beat up by Duke is nothing to be proud of. Losing to Miss. State is nothing to be proud of.

When schools with 4 times the money and exposure we have lose to the same schools by the same margins, then it's nothing to be down on ourselves about either.

 

[CEE DOG]

Man we got Presidents trying to change the name of it's universites behind the peoples back. How do you thank they gone ever come together for sprots?

 

[players]

Like I said earlier, we only see the good in others and the bad in ourselves. The MEAS has ONE team that did something THIS year. :lol: They are in the same boat as us...as are a lot of conferences. We are just more intimate with our situation.

Yep.
And the MEACs arse has been in the play-in game damm near every year too.
But we, THE SWAC, are the ones that keep asking for our commissioners to do stupid shat that keeps us isolated from the rest of NCAA sports and then wonder why we get snubbed.
Honestly...........none of our teams have done squat in years worth talking about.

As for getting overlooked or not getting a better seed.
On one hand you tell the NCAA to go fugg themselves with their events, (playoffs), and on the other, we byotch about not being considered when it counts after the SWAC's 2 best went 0-11 and 4-10 in OOC basketball games in 2009/2010.
Sad part is none of the games that mattered was close.

Botton line is we NEVER beat these teams.
JSU and SU was the last 2 teams in the SWAC to beat a big name team and all them was in the same year that SU got the 14th seed courtesy of JSU losing the tournament and going to the NIT.
JSU also beat Michigan that year in Hawaii.


We go zero and forever OOC and then act like beating 9 SWAC teams 3 times a year is something great.

 

[Kendrick]

When schools with 4 times the money and exposure we have lose to the same schools by the same margins, then it's nothing to be down on ourselves about either.

I understand, but at least make a run in the tournament once in a while. Be ranked once in a while. Then losing by double-digit margins every year might not be a big deal.

But when you don't go deep in the tournament, or not are on the cusp of being ranked, or win very many games outside of your conference, then it becomes something to be down about.

 

[stroke]

When schools with 4 times the money and exposure we have lose to the same schools by the same margins, then it's nothing to be down on ourselves about either.

Come on then Why dont Carnell or Murry State, etc have these Problems? I dont believe that these schools have 4 times the money and exposure, yet they Win.

Why cant we win? Butler has 4000 students at their Schools, Come on... some of these Schools are just Like us.. except Jackson state, Grambling and the Rest of the SWAC is better known..
why cant we be Butler, Murry state, or Davidson in make a run every now in then.

 

[Olde Hornet]

I dont know if we will ever see a 16th seed beat a number 1 seed, but the quality of basketball is spreading.

We have to win some of those winnable games early in the season. Over the past few years, we have had teams with enough talent to win game over some of the lower ranked Big Conference teams, but we don't do it. I don't think out teams believe that they are supposed to win those games. I will use ASU as an example - the 2009 - 2010 team had the talent to beat Auburn and a few others on the schedule, in some cases they had leads, but choked at the end. We have to believe that we can win and do it. That will give us the 15th seeds and chances to win.

 

[players]

Come on then Why dont Carnell or Murry State, etc have these Problems? I dont believe that these schools have 4 times the money and exposure, yet they Win.

Why cant we win? Butler has 4000 students at their Schools, Come on... some of these Schools are just Like us.. except Jackson state, Grambling and the Rest of the SWAC is better known..
why cant we be Butler, Murry state, or Davidson in make a run every now in then.

It's the same old excuse in the SWAC.
Everytime we suck at something, we blame money, the man, and everything else under the sun.
Just like you said, those school's up there are the same size as SWAC schools and I know damm well they don't have a $26 million athletic budget, (4 times JSU's budget). :lol:

 

[Panther88]

Quality.

Take all SWAC players to the weightroom and their players to the weightroom. You'll find your answer there. lol

Also, stick all of them on the free-throw line and you'll find yet another answer.

Welp, look shooting %s and you'll find yet another answer.

How does one measure one's capability to actually <b>understand</b> the game of basketball, outside of a freaking "dunk." lol :emlaugh: UNI/Cornell play(ed) a solid piece of basketball the way it's supposed to be played. Triple ditto for Mighty Duke University. :tup:

Need I go on?

 

[stroke]

Like Old Hornet Said and by just looking at this years Tournament, the Quality of basketball is Spreading... But it seems that we are bein Left Out... We getting beat as a whole by a avg of 30pts a game.. And we are not getting any better. Other Schools our Size or Smaller are getting better.

I think we had the man to Turn our Program around but I truely believe that alot of our folks couldnt take the White Coaches...

 

[JROCK]

Like I said earlier, we only see the good in others and the bad in ourselves. The MEAS has ONE team that did something THIS year. :lol: They are in the same boat as us...as are a lot of conferences. We are just more intimate with our situation.

:tup:

 

[stroke]

Quality.

Take all SWAC players to the weightroom and their players to the weightroom. You'll find your answer there. lol

Also, stick all of them on the free-throw line and you'll find yet another answer.

Welp, look shooting %s and you'll find yet another answer.

How does one measure one's capability to actually <b>understand</b> the game of basketball, outside of a freaking "dunk." lol :emlaugh: UNI/Cornell play(ed) a solid piece of basketball the way it's supposed to be played. Triple ditto for Mighty Duke University. :tup:

Need I go on?

You killed it with That.. I was trying to be negitive doing PB run.. but after watching all season, i understood that our teams might get hot and go on a run, but that only last maybe 3 Minutes.. Who wins Our Games depends on who hot at the right time. But as a whole only 10min of our games consist of made shots... But not other Conference is like ours, missing so many shots.. And dont start about the players Basketball IQ..
But Again why cant we get better Players if other small schools can?

 

[stroke]

Like I said earlier, we only see the good in others and the bad in ourselves. The MEAS has ONE team that did something THIS year. :lol: They are in the same boat as us...as are a lot of conferences. We are just more intimate with our situation.

Is the MEAC the only Conference that we can Compare ourselves too? Are we so Stuck on the "HBCU" Title that we have forgotten that we are " DIV 1" in the "NCAA" that competes against "HBCU" as well as " Non HBCU" schools. are we limiting ourselves to the Point that Making the tournament is good enough?

 

[Kendrick]

But Again why cant we get better Players if other small schools can?

I think you will find a 100 different answers to the question. Some will say there is a negative stigma associated with HBCUs, and the better athletes don't want to attend member schools. A group will say the coaches are horrible recruiters of talent.

Others will say there is just not enough money in the athletic budgets to go out and recruit quality talent. Then there are those who believe since a good portion of the dollars generated by basketball goes into the general athletic fund and not 100 to the basketball program, that it limit what schools can do in terms of facilities.

I believe it is many factors. It takes a tremendous commitment from all parties involved for it to work.

 

[LAW DAWG]

Quality.

Take all SWAC players to the weightroom and their players to the weightroom. You'll find your answer there. lol

Also, stick all of them on the free-throw line and you'll find yet another answer.

Welp, look shooting %s and you'll find yet another answer.

How does one measure one's capability to actually <b>understand</b> the game of basketball, outside of a freaking "dunk." lol :emlaugh: UNI/Cornell play(ed) a solid piece of basketball the way it's supposed to be played. Triple ditto for Mighty Duke University. :tup:

Need I go on?

Well put, the answer is with the teams more than anything else. Recruiting is not only about talent, but about the mind-set of the player(s) and if the committment to improve by the player(s) is nonexistent, it will bear fruit in the results. If I'm off base please let me know, but I swear I've seen too many players from our universities show only marginal improvement from their freshman year to their senior year.

 

[8 to 5]

Because we are Content.

Content with winning SWAC but losing every OOC game.

Content with winning a game by 3 points when it should have been by 20.

Content with having a mediocre jumpshot but a nice dunk.

Content with not playing defense because we know we can outscore the other team.

Content with having teams that shoot Free Throws on Shaq level.

Content with playing one half basketball.

Content with not working out hard enough but looking in awe at the "bigger team".

I dont think some of these players know the power that they have when they step out on to the court. Especially these teams that actually have talent but never reach their full potential.

Go Hard or Go Home. And I guess we just content with a field trip, some TV time...then that smack to the back of the head GO Home type asswhoopin.

 

[SU Jag 79]

Quality.

Take all SWAC players to the weightroom and their players to the weightroom. You'll find your answer there. lol

Also, stick all of them on the free-throw line and you'll find yet another answer.

Welp, look shooting %s and you'll find yet another answer.

How does one measure one's capability to actually <b>understand</b> the game of basketball, outside of a freaking "dunk." lol :emlaugh: UNI/Cornell play(ed) a solid piece of basketball the way it's supposed to be played. Triple ditto for Mighty Duke University. :tup:

Need I go on?

But 88, we can't win unless we RUN, RUN, and RUN some more, according to SOME here. Nevermind that we can't shoot free throws, play stingy defense, or do soemthing in halfcourt when that other team gets back on defense. :shame:

 

[Panther88]

Well put, the answer is with the teams more than anything else. <b>Recruiting is not only about talent, but about <u><font size="6">the mind-set of the player(s) and if the committment to improve by the player(s) is nonexistent, it will bear fruit in the results</font></u>.</b> If I'm off base please let me know, but I swear <b> I've seen too many players from our universities show only marginal improvement from their freshman year to their senior year.</b>

HELLLLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!! :bowdown: Ga' DAMMIT YOU'RE PREACHING!!!! THE MENTAL ASPECT!!!!! :bowdown: Commitment! Dedication! Will! Desire! (for self/team betterment and WINNING) I can't explain the reasoning why a kid I saw @ 18 y/o weighing a paultry 180lbs leaving HS @ 5'11" and grew to over 225lbs of pure muscle and stood 6' 2" w/ enough tenacity to scare all of us shitless whenever he would speak. :scared: Now, look present day SWAC over and recant how many times you've seen a kid NOT improve A-T....A-L-L.... (physically and even mentally)

Now, take that mindset and apply it to football, track&field, tennis, golf and you have present day SWAC apathy, what we display when it comes to OOC performance (as a whole). :tup:

 

[Panther88]

But 88, we can't win unless we RUN, RUN, and RUN some more, according to SOME here. Nevermind that we can't shoot free throws, play stingy defense, or do soemthing in halfcourt when that other team gets back on defense. :shame:

Jag79, you'd better put a bottle on that which you speak or some of your alums and others alums are gonna' come up in here and recant what Southern did in 1993 to GaTech and what JState did to UCONN in 1986 or whenever it was. :retard:

This is Panther88 right here---> :retard: because when I speak w/ one of the young super soon to be graduating student-atheletes, you'll find that what they're speaking about doesn't gel w/ what some of these stuck in the 60s/70s SWAC grads are speaking about. :|