Why do African-American students reject historically black colleges?

[the band fan]

I'm around hbcus nearly 90% of my time....The rural hbcus are different and have different needs in order to survive so I won't even bother

like I've said on earlier threads, our success has hurt us as blacks...we grow up in a black area, go to a black high school with pride and then to college at a HBCU and graduate...we now have some buying power but we will most likely buy a new house in a diverse area, send the kids to a diverse high school and take a back seat in some areas in terms of pushing HBCUs.....that kid who grew up thanks to our success is veered towards the diverse college cause their friends are going there

And today's kids aren't smarter than my generation or my parents....they're more naive if anything as they see a tweet and judge you based on that.....you talk data with them its like looking at a brick wall

In texas, the Southland schools are the biggest threat to Prairie View A&M and TSU as it has nothing to do with facilities, etc. as some of them are plain looking...they offer the safety net for white students whose dreams of going to A&M and UT are crushed....but to black students, it's looked upon as a status they can go there but the blacks normally dont get involved in any type of campus life outside of pledging and graduate from there with little allegiance...like they wasted 4 years

The bigger schools are under quotas so they're throwing more financial aid to any inner city kid with a decent GPA but that kid is not ready for that environment....that kid is not full scholarship worthy at an HBCU but its more than an HBCU will offer

But from what I see...the PWC student (no matter what race) in my field doesn't scare me....they're not taught how to problem solve like us, can't multitask at the drop of a dime, etc. they are taught like robots and that's to do one thing and one thing only....it's a perception thing....I've sat in meetings with them for events and they need to 5 people to do what one of us can do....

but like Cee said, they will hire their own before we can crack the door and even get an interview...it happens all over the place

 

[CEE DOG]

Truth be told in the next 10 years most HBCU's will be like Blue Field St in West Virginia. White kids aren't afraid to go to our schools any more. White kids unlike black kids aren't looking for diversity. They are looking to stay close to home and get money. If you notice all our sports program outside of basket ball and football are half and half of blacks, whites and Latino's. Once again whites will make a fool out of blacks by taking control of what they know we had and we are to blind to see it. Look at cities like DC and Atlanta. Whites want those cities back while we will be stuck out in the burbs driving 40 minute to work and they will use city transit in the city. Keep being dumb black America.

 

[Da Sleeper]

Don't get me wrong I don't care what nationality matriculates through these programs. I was addressing the earlier point of view that our grads are not as attractive as grads from the larger institutions. Some think you will not make as much $ if you graduate from one of the HBCU programs. The $ you make depends on how well prepared you are and the market for the type of position you are trying to obtain. My company actually uses a third party to review compensation in an attempt to eliminate pay biases.

These young cats don't know noting about this, they to cool for this. We have forgot to tell our younger generations if they don't study the history they will repeat it.

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That may have been the case in 1932. In 2015 these kids are not subjugated to that type of abuse anymore. PLEASE, don’t think I’m saying racism does not exist and much MORE needs to be done. But I just think we are doing a disservice to our kids and the people who fought and died for equality by saying you have to go to a black school.

BMF, think you missed the point I was trying to make or maybe I wasn't clear. I agree with you things are different now. Actually, I believe it's worse. In times past a man would tell you he hated you. Now he hides and tries to undermine your character, sabotage your work, and create subjective concerns about you in the dark. So the new form of racism is more challenging than ever.

Also, I have no problem with people attending any institution of higher learning they are accepted into. I only have a problem with people thinking the quality of education received an an HBCU is subpar. I really have a problem when it's people who's parents attended HBCU's. I feel your young people don't respect the history and sacrifice of the blood, sweat, and tears that was shed to allow them to have the choices they do today.

I anytime I hear someone say down at "XXX-HBCU messed up my financial aid so I wasn't able to finish school" I called them a liar to their face. I try to make sure everyone in earshot that they were talking to hears me do it. I will many times tell them I have a good friend that works at X HBCU and we can call them right now and find out. I have told one you lady that if what she said was true about the university she mentioned was true (that they messed up her aid so bad she can't get any from any other school) that I wold pay for her books every semester till she graduates. I gave her my business card, and I never heard from her.

People you don't have to lie to kick it. Why don't more people just say I messed up and had to leave school, why it always has to be someone else's fault?

 

[bigmanofds]

BMF, think you missed the point I was trying to make or maybe I wasn't clear. I agree with you things are different now. Actually, I believe it's worse. In times past a man would tell you he hated you. Now he hides and tries to undermine your character, sabotage your work, and create subjective concerns about you in the dark. So the new form of racism is more challenging than ever.

Also, I have no problem with people attending any institution of higher learning they are accepted into. I only have a problem with people thinking the quality of education received an an HBCU is subpar. I really have a problem when it's people who's parents attended HBCU's. I feel your young people don't respect the history and sacrifice of the blood, sweat, and tears that was shed to allow them to have the choices they do today.

I anytime I hear someone say down at "XXX-HBCU messed up my financial aid so I wasn't able to finish school" I called them a liar to their face. I try to make sure everyone in earshot that they were talking to hears me do it. I will many times tell them I have a good friend that works at X HBCU and we can call them right now and find out. I have told one you lady that if what she said was true about the university she mentioned was true (that they messed up her aid so bad she can't get any from any other school) that I wold pay for her books every semester till she graduates. I gave her my business card, and I never heard from her.

People you don't have to lie to kick it. Why don't more people just say I messed up and had to leave school, why it always has to be someone else's fault?

Having people undermine your character, sabotage your work, and the other stuff you mention can happen at a HBCU also. But when it’s at a HBCU it’s called "character building” or "rigor" But a PWI it’s called “racism.” Same play just different actors

What I’m saying if HBCUs want to remain relevant they have to be able to compete on all levels. Yes, racism is alive and well in 2015. But these kids are better equipped to handle it because most of them have been dealing with it since birth. I work at a PWI, a med school to be exact. I see black students excelling all the time in spite of racism. And it’s about 50/50 of students from HBCUs and PWIs. So it's not where you went to school. It’s what’s inside of you. If you have something on the ball you will succeed no matter where you go to school. And if you don’t have it you want succeed no matter where you go. Hell these kids today see blacks excelling at PWI. That’s why they are impervious to old fashion scare tactics.

As for hearing people discredit HBCUs, it’s usually from the same source. It’s from people who never been to anybody’s school or people who dropped out from a HBCUs because of academics and just don’t want to say that. But I am not going to be running up on anybody that is not bothering or talking to me. Having the propensity of doing that will eventually cause you run up on the wrong one.

 

[Da Sleeper]

As for hearing people discredit HBCUs, it’s usually from the same source. It’s from people who never been to anybody’s school or people who dropped out from a HBCUs because of academics and just don’t want to say that. But I am not going to be running up on anybody that is not bothering or talking to me. Having the propensity of doing that will eventually cause you run up on the wrong one.

We are not having these conversations in the trap house. For the last 26 years my family owns a restaurant they host a lot of fund raisers. Pee wee - college fund raising not just football, bands, cheerleaders, chior, senior trips, ect. The college selection conversation comes up all the time.

Craziest thing is the most vocal opinionated are the one who never attended ant institution of higher learning.
But they always know someone who did and had a bad experience at an HBCU.

 

[CEE DOG]

For the record these weak, babied, spoiled black kids aren't equip to handle nothing nor racism. This is why they attend these PWI's and join the black student union and tuck their tales when confronted by racism in the work place. Go tell that lie to someone else. The majority of them leave these PWI's and have no connection or don't look back. Yes that's progress for you huh? Ninja please!

 

[In_The_662]

For the record these weak, babied, spoiled black kids aren't equip to handle nothing nor racism. This is why they attend these PWI's and join the black student union and tuck their tales when confronted by racism in the work place. Go tell that lie to someone else. The majority of them leave these PWI's and have no connection or don't look back. Yes that's progress for you huh? Ninja please!

I always laugh when I see PWI alums/students do this. You look down at HBCUs and say we are segregating ourselves in 2015 but then you go to a that PWI with a 5-10% black population and do the exact same thing with joining the BSU

 

[chocalate_topaz]

My sister is a HBCU grad, her husband went to Stonybrook/Syracuse. Now his tail is from Hollandale and he's ALWAYS had negative things to say about HBCUs. Irritates the phuck out of me, yes indeedy. Well, daughter got ready to go to college, I asked sister if she was going to do the HBCU tour. She said, yes, despite her husband not wanting her to. And they did. My niece ended up at Spelman and is straight geeked. My BIL actually cried. He said when he sat down in the Spelman chapel and saw how his daughter looked, he knew it was a lost cause. She is very happy...now if I can only stop them from flying her home to get her hair done, I'll be good.

 

[The Founder]

For the record these weak, babied, spoiled black kids aren't equip to handle nothing nor racism. This is why they attend these PWI's and join the black student union and tuck their tales when confronted by racism in the work place. Go tell that lie to someone else. The majority of them leave these PWI's and have no connection or don't look back. Yes that's progress for you huh? Ninja please!

I always laugh when I see PWI alums/students do this. You look down at HBCUs and say we are segregating ourselves in 2015 but then you go to a that PWI with a 5-10% black population and do the exact same thing with joining the BSU

Truth!

While at Arkansas we have a Black Student Union. When we decided to want Jesse Jackson to come and speak the student senate was in charge of the funding and they pitched a damn fit. The interesting thing was that with all these organizations represented there was not one black undergraduate leader.

It took graduate students from HBCUs to get the funding from outside sources and and as the President of the Black Graduate Student's Association in meeting during the student senate I stated, "Screw your racist student senate and you second and third generation wanna be racist who have one white sheet in your house that you keep in car for your a Tuesday night meeting." I then walked out and every black graduate did the same. The undergraduate black students had no idea of what I was referring to. One even asked me after the meeting that he has some white sheets in his....SMH

 

[The Founder]

My sister is a HBCU grad, her husband went to Stonybrook/Syracuse. Now his tail is from Hollandale and he's ALWAYS had negative things to say about HBCUs. Irritates the phuck out of me, yes indeedy. Well, daughter got ready to go to college, I asked sister if she was going to do the HBCU tour. She said, yes, despite her husband not wanting her to. And they did. My niece ended up at Spelman and is straight geeked. My BIL actually cried. He said when he sat down in the Spelman chapel and saw how his daughter looked, he knew it was a lost cause. She is very happy...now if I can only stop them from flying her home to get her hair done, I'll be good.

What does he mean how she looked?

 

[chocalate_topaz]

What does he mean how she looked?

completely enthralled...

 

[CEE DOG]

The truth is whites are not the biggest obstacles of HBCU students or graduate's any more. It is blacks who attend PWC's who push against HBCUS more then anything or anyone. Ask white people and they will tell you how blacks who attended those schools actually tell whites we are inferior and not to hire us. I have witnessed this over the last 25 years in Huntsville. The whites I speak with are really amazed at how blacks from those schools go out of their way to degrade blacks from HBCUS.

 

[2kool]

The truth is whites are not the biggest obstacles of HBCU students or graduate's any more. It is blacks who attend PWC's who push against HBCUS more then anything or anyone. Ask white people and they will tell you how blacks who attended those schools actually tell whites we are inferior and not to hire us. I have witnessed this over the last 25 years in Huntsville. The whites I speak with are really amazed at how blacks from those schools go out of their way to degrade blacks from HBCUS.

They'll slander their own people to stay in good graces with "them."

Ain't that something?

 

[buckwheat1911]

True!