Why do African-American students reject historically black colleges?

[97JSULEGEND]

I know people from all four schools who are doing well. It's all up to the student/ individual. In ten years, that degree won't mean squat and everything your child will have learned will be antiquated for the most part. So at that point, it all comes down to the individual.....skillset, certifications and work history is what employers look at. Whether your degree says Harvard, Howard or Hinds CC won't really matter as much.

LS I know this man. That last part was personal inside joke.. I have family who attended Valley. My point was they may as well go to JSU if it's gone be HBCU...

 

[CEE DOG]

One point many Black people will never admit is blacks are taught white is right and what whites have is better. It's mind set. For every black engineering major who doesn't find a job from a HBCU their is one from Georgia Tech and MIT who can't find a job. Truth is whites hire whites first. Many of us are taught any black school whether it's an elementary school or University is inferior to a white school. I know people who attended AAMU that are millionaire's who kids look down on AAMU. The parents think its funny, yet if it wasn't for AAMU they wouldn't be where they are. Success is more about Lady luck shining on you then a degree from Harvard. In fact most blacks who attend those schools major in bull shyt like art and history instead of sciences.

 

[chocalate_topaz]

All of the points made so far in this thread are valid, but I think the primary problem for HBCUs are the self inflicted (negative) issues that come up and are reported in the media time and time again. Overtime, that takes a toll. We can't deny the thought of a prospective student who walks on the campus of an HBCU, only to see worn facilities or landscaping that hasn't been managed, that it doesn't factor into he/her decision. We are talking about 17 and 18 year-olds who are very impressionable. Little things like that go a long way in the area of perception.

I've long said HBCUs biggest problem is lack of putting money into their marketing (controlling their story and image) and maintenance. Unfortunately, we are really poor stewards I've seen. Constantly running water in places, leak stains that don't get fixed, poor landscaping and walking over, around trash...and honestly, if you call enough about it, they will attempt to make you out as the "bad guy" because you reported it.

 

[chocalate_topaz]

My son is a 3rd generation Alcornite. He didn't want to go anyplace else. He got his degree, is working in his major and just needs to defend his thesis to go up a level...

 

[bigmanofds]

My parents grew up in the later part of the Jim Crow South era. Their understanding at that time of protecting and guiding my sister and I was to make us go to an HBCU. Which we really didn’t have a choice of any HBCU, it was only Grambling or Southern because they are alums. My sister chose Grambling and I chose Southern. However, I took a different approach because I saw change coming. Also many fought and died for our children to have a choice if all things are equal. I said with my own kids I would let them make the choice even though my son chose Southern anyway. I think it’s a disservice to the many that made those sacrifices to not give today’s kids that choice. Don’t get me wrong, some kids want and need to go to HBCUs. However some kids will do well regardless of what environment they are in. They should have a choice, again if all things are equal.

I know some times our HBCUs have to deal with manufactured negativism. But this is the information age and if our kids are not choosing HBCUs with the access to information they have these days, then maybe we need to look at our HBCUs . . . right down to the justification of having them. My son is a 3rd generation to go to Southern University. I have no problem with him being the last if needs are being met at other places.

 

[Da Sleeper]

Asides from a few, the academics side lacks behind PWC's also. And when you factor in the fact that you can go to a school with better academics...for less. Well, there's a major part of your problem. And keep in mind I chose an HBCU fresh out of high school, and another after that...before finishing at a PWC. Really most HBCU's need to increase academics across the board if you want to get those 3.5+ gpa students to consider you for any reason other than it being an HBCU. Not saying I agree with it, but it's realistic. In general kids look at college, and are advised that picking the school with the best academic rankings gives you your best chance of getting a job. Not always true, but there IS a lot of truth to it. Kinda like if you want to be an engineer in GA you're going to look at GT first. If you want to go into medicine you're going to look at Emory first. If you want to go into law you're going to look at UGA/Georgia State first. That's what im saying, for that NOT to be the case you simply have to raise your academic standards. It's . Top academics and a better ROI as far as likelihood of getting a better job.

We all know that doesn't translate 100% to the job field, but looking at which schools dominate the medical, law, engineering,etc fields in your area will tell you why kids are picking the schools that they do. Personally, i'll show my kids the positives and negatives of both and let them decide. However, the schools that aren't run well and have mass exodus of students with super low grad rates yearly, don't really help themselves in terms of being appealing to kids either.

I sure see a lot of generalizations in this comment. In TX if you want to be an engineer/doctor/nurse/farmer you go to PV. We all know that engineering program is one of the top programs in the Nation. That joint venture with NASA really set them apart.

What many of you don't see is if you go check out the enrollment in our elite programs we are becoming the minority.

If you want to get into business/law/pharmacy/education/politics/transportation/international business you can't beat TSU. While at TSU I received awards for writing financial papers submitted to the Financial Executives Institute over students at UT, OU, A&M, Pitt, TCU and some others. Upon graduation I had offers from (I'm telling my age) Enron, Dynegy, Northern Trust (Chicago Exchange), Merck&Co, J&J, BNSF, UP, and UPS. Now graduating as one of the top 3 students in the JHJ School of Business didn't hurt my efforts either. Anyway that Better school with better academics does not fly with me.

Also, why Spelman, Morehouse, Howard, Hampton, Tuskegee, etc are generally at the top of the HBCU rankings pretty much every year is because the people that publish the lists and long standing political BS. They are some of the older more well know names that's it. You get out of attending any university what you put into it.

What have these institutions done in the last 20 years to elevated their stature? Many of them are riding on old glory.

 

[Da Sleeper]

Urban HBCUs like JSU (Jackson), TX Southern (Houston), SU (Baton Rouge), Alabama A&M (Huntsville), Alabama State (Montgomery), Howard (Washington, DC), etc. to me will only continue to grow due to their proximity to major cities. Let's face it: kids today are of the "Now" Generation. The city environment gives them that feel. Parents don't want to put their kid in harms way. This not to offend some Alcornites but Alcorn itself is starting to get a really bad reputation of "Somebody related or connected to the University is always getting killed or passing away annually".

I have come to the realization over the years that JSU is in the perfect situation. It does pay to be Mississippi's only Urban University. JSU will only continue to grow if.....Leadership does not hold it back.

It is the Rural HBCUs that should be worried and rightfully so.

I think PV should be the first school on this list they are close enough to Houston & Austin to be included. Plus the thing that separates them is they have so much damn land to grow with. Just like that damn stadium they are building. Shidd TSU would have to hire a couple of hit-men, burn down a church, and black male somebody to get enough land to build a stadium. Being in an urban area has it's benefits but it sure as hell has it's limitations too.

Danm you P.V.!

 

[MetroPhillyTiger]

Did somebody post this? If not, here you go...

Why I Hate Howard’s Homecoming Weekend
It’s Howard University’s homecoming this weekend, right?
I think so.
You’re not sure?

No. I didn’t go to Howard and I don’t live in Washington, D.C., so I don’t have the Howard homecoming dates tattooed on my chest.

But you do think it’s happening this weekend. Why?

Well, I do have multiple friends and followers on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. And many of these friends and followers apparently went to Howard. And their activity online and offline has led me to believe that Howard is having a homecoming this weekend.

They’ve told you?

Let me just say this: Every conversation I’ve had with a Howard grad in the past two weeks has gone the exact same way.

Me: So how’s the new baby? Is she walking yet?

Them: When I go to the HU homecoming next weekend, should I rock the HU hoodie at the football game or just go with an HU bucket cap and a HU T-shirt? I’m thinking the bucket cup and the T-shirt, ’cause I’ll want to rock the hoodie at the post-game, tailgate day party.

But, this feeling isn’t unique to Howard. The Morehouse grads act the same way. As do the Spelman grads. And the Hampton grads. And the Florida A&M grads. And the North Carolina A&T grads. And the Jackson State grads. And the Morgan State grads. And, well, you get my point.

They all become the same insufferable and annoying a--holes whenever it’s time for their homecoming.
Well, it’s not really about them. You see, I didn’t go to an HBCU. I went to a medium-sized PWI (predominantly white institution) in upstate New York. And while I had a great time in college, I’ve never really felt much of a connection to that place. It’s just the place I happened to graduate from. I’ve never gone back for homecoming. Or any reunions. And I don’t plan to. When I get stuff in the mail from them asking for money, I use that paper to line my dog’s cage. Because it’s really high-quality paper.

So when I see my friends who graduated from HBCUs with these deep connections to and love for their colleges and universities—and not just the schools themselves but the histories, the alums, the traditions, the customs—I feel a bit of envy. I wish I had that type of relationship with the place embroidered on my bachelor’s degree.

 

[CEE DOG]

Black Americans are the only ethnic group who seeks acceptance. We have to stop telling lies about what America has done to purposely hold back black institutions of higher learning. We are still fighting to get funds from southern states who under funded our schools for over 150 years on purpose to deny blacks a equal education. I'm always amazed at when folks say "Tracey went to Penn ST she is so smart she is making 100K. While Sherry went to Alabama St she is doing ok making 40K." The truth is Tracey went to Penn St and majored in Chemical engineering while Tracey went to Bama St and majored in education. That is the difference. The Penn St grad is in a higher tax bracket because of her field. So we look at like the HBCU grad is doing bad that is pure ignorance among the black race. Both have solid professions but we over look that to make it seem as though the Penn St grad is leaps and bounds above the HBCU to glorify the other side of the tracks. For years white America lied and said blacks couldn't do higher math and the southern states denied full engineering programs and other STEM programs to our HBCU's. In the 80's and up until 1995 there were only seven HBCU schools with full engineering programs.Seven out of 163 and yall don't see the problem? Seven people!!! The state of Georgia just allowed other schools beside Georgia Tech to have full engineering programs in 2012 and they still didn't approve them for HBCU's in the state of Georgia. Alabama A&M had to sue in federal court and won in 1996 to get a full engineering program. The truth is we try to teach our kids the world is color blind when the world is not. If you would really have true race relations talks with whites who attend these SEC schools and other PWC's they would tell you the truth. They think our kids at these schools are more concerned about hanging out and pledging greek. They think many should not be there and believe blacks are there because of quotas and the schools getting money for them. This is why whites don't hire blacks from PWC's any quicker then blacks from HBCU's. How in the hell do expect Alabama A&M school of engineering to be ahead of the University of Alabama when they got 200 years head start on us and fully funded for decades? Come on people wake up! I tell the truth. At some point you have to challenge white males or they will continue to do what they do. When folks especially white males tell me that my school has a perception problem I make them explain what they mean. Most of the times they can't. I ask them if calculus is taught different at Alabama or something. If circuit analysis is taught different at Alabama or something. If English 101 is taught different. Stop being scared.

 

[jag4life]

Black Americans are the only ethnic group who seeks acceptance. We have to stop telling lies about what America has done to purposely hold back black institutions of higher learning. We are still fighting to get funds from southern states who under funded our schools for over 150 years on purpose to deny blacks a equal education. I'm always amazed at when folks say "Tracey went to Penn ST she is so smart she is making 100K. While Sherry went to Alabama St she is doing ok making 40K." The truth is Tracey went to Penn St and majored in Chemical engineering while Tracey went to Bama St and majored in education. That is the difference. The Penn St grad is in a higher tax bracket because of her field. So we look at like the HBCU grad is doing bad that is pure ignorance among the black race. Both have solid professions but we over look that to make it seem as though the Penn St grad is leaps and bounds above the HBCU to glorify the other side of the tracks. For years white America lied and said blacks couldn't do higher math and the southern states denied full engineering programs and other STEM programs to our HBCU's. In the 80's and up until 1995 there were only seven HBCU schools with full engineering programs.Seven out of 163 and yall don't see the problem? Seven people!!! The state of Georgia just allowed other schools beside Georgia Tech to have full engineering programs in 2012 and they still didn't approve them for HBCU's in the state of Georgia. Alabama A&M had to sue in federal court and won in 1996 to get a full engineering program. The truth is we try to teach our kids the world is color blind when the world is not. If you would really have true race relations talks with whites who attend these SEC schools and other PWC's they would tell you the truth. They think our kids at these schools are more concerned about hanging out and pledging greek. They think many should not be there and believe blacks are there because of quotas and the schools getting money for them. This is why whites don't hire blacks from PWC's any quicker then blacks from HBCU's. How in the hell do expect Alabama A&M school of engineering to be ahead of the University of Alabama when they got 200 years head start on us and fully funded for decades? Come on people wake up! I tell the truth. At some point you have to challenge white males or they will continue to do what they do. When folks especially white males tell me that my school has a perception problem I make them explain what they mean. Most of the times they can't. I ask them if calculus is taught different at Alabama or something. If circuit analysis is taught different at Alabama or something. If English 101 is taught different. Stop being scared.

Post of the year!

 

[In_The_662]

A lot of great responses in this thread. I think it simply boils down to many believing HBCUs are just inferior without doing any research. And to compound it, many of our alums don't even consider their kids to the same schools that took a chance on them (because of a bad experience they had).

I'm glad to see that there are some posters with 2nd-3rd generation HBCU college students. I ran into a few 2nd-3rd gen Valley students at Homecoming this weekend so it's an encouraging sign but we also need to get these people to encourage their friends to come. As far as what I have seen, it's not the out of state students that we have to worrying about retaining (Valley will always get kids from Memphis, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Atlanta and Los Angeles (along with a few more)) it's the local students. I'm glad to see that Valley and MDCC have formed a partnership that allows MDCC grads to transition seamlessly to Valley without issue now

 

[chocalate_topaz]

Black Americans are the only ethnic group who seeks acceptance. We have to stop telling lies about what America has done to purposely hold back black institutions of higher learning. We are still fighting to get funds from southern states who under funded our schools for over 150 years on purpose to deny blacks a equal education. I'm always amazed at when folks say "Tracey went to Penn ST she is so smart she is making 100K. While Sherry went to Alabama St she is doing ok making 40K." The truth is Tracey went to Penn St and majored in Chemical engineering while Tracey went to Bama St and majored in education. That is the difference. The Penn St grad is in a higher tax bracket because of her field. So we look at like the HBCU grad is doing bad that is pure ignorance among the black race. Both have solid professions but we over look that to make it seem as though the Penn St grad is leaps and bounds above the HBCU to glorify the other side of the tracks. For years white America lied and said blacks couldn't do higher math and the southern states denied full engineering programs and other STEM programs to our HBCU's. In the 80's and up until 1995 there were only seven HBCU schools with full engineering programs.Seven out of 163 and yall don't see the problem? Seven people!!! The state of Georgia just allowed other schools beside Georgia Tech to have full engineering programs in 2012 and they still didn't approve them for HBCU's in the state of Georgia. Alabama A&M had to sue in federal court and won in 1996 to get a full engineering program. The truth is we try to teach our kids the world is color blind when the world is not. If you would really have true race relations talks with whites who attend these SEC schools and other PWC's they would tell you the truth. They think our kids at these schools are more concerned about hanging out and pledging greek. They think many should not be there and believe blacks are there because of quotas and the schools getting money for them. This is why whites don't hire blacks from PWC's any quicker then blacks from HBCU's. How in the hell do expect Alabama A&M school of engineering to be ahead of the University of Alabama when they got 200 years head start on us and fully funded for decades? Come on people wake up! I tell the truth. At some point you have to challenge white males or they will continue to do what they do. When folks especially white males tell me that my school has a perception problem I make them explain what they mean. Most of the times they can't. I ask them if calculus is taught different at Alabama or something. If circuit analysis is taught different at Alabama or something. If English 101 is taught different. Stop being scared.

Neegro, when you CAME WITH IT, you CAME WITH IT! Bowdown!!!!

 

[96lioness]

Black Americans are the only ethnic group who seeks acceptance. We have to stop telling lies about what America has done to purposely hold back black institutions of higher learning. We are still fighting to get funds from southern states who under funded our schools for over 150 years on purpose to deny blacks a equal education. I'm always amazed at when folks say "Tracey went to Penn ST she is so smart she is making 100K. While Sherry went to Alabama St she is doing ok making 40K." The truth is Tracey went to Penn St and majored in Chemical engineering while Tracey went to Bama St and majored in education. That is the difference. The Penn St grad is in a higher tax bracket because of her field. So we look at like the HBCU grad is doing bad that is pure ignorance among the black race. Both have solid professions but we over look that to make it seem as though the Penn St grad is leaps and bounds above the HBCU to glorify the other side of the tracks. For years white America lied and said blacks couldn't do higher math and the southern states denied full engineering programs and other STEM programs to our HBCU's. In the 80's and up until 1995 there were only seven HBCU schools with full engineering programs.Seven out of 163 and yall don't see the problem? Seven people!!! The state of Georgia just allowed other schools beside Georgia Tech to have full engineering programs in 2012 and they still didn't approve them for HBCU's in the state of Georgia. Alabama A&M had to sue in federal court and won in 1996 to get a full engineering program. The truth is we try to teach our kids the world is color blind when the world is not. If you would really have true race relations talks with whites who attend these SEC schools and other PWC's they would tell you the truth. They think our kids at these schools are more concerned about hanging out and pledging greek. They think many should not be there and believe blacks are there because of quotas and the schools getting money for them. This is why whites don't hire blacks from PWC's any quicker then blacks from HBCU's. How in the hell do expect Alabama A&M school of engineering to be ahead of the University of Alabama when they got 200 years head start on us and fully funded for decades? Come on people wake up! I tell the truth. At some point you have to challenge white males or they will continue to do what they do. When folks especially white males tell me that my school has a perception problem I make them explain what they mean. Most of the times they can't. I ask them if calculus is taught different at Alabama or something. If circuit analysis is taught different at Alabama or something. If English 101 is taught different. Stop being scared.

I wish I had the right words to express how this is undeniably the most truthful, wisest, and on-point post I've ever seen you post. Very well said and very much a reality. Thank you!

 

[unknown1]

I sure see a lot of generalizations in this comment. In TX if you want to be an engineer/doctor/nurse/farmer you go to PV. We all know that engineering program is one of the top programs in the Nation. That joint venture with NASA really set them apart.

What many of you don't see is if you go check out the enrollment in our elite programs we are becoming the minority.

If you want to get into business/law/pharmacy/education/politics/transportation/international business you can't beat TSU. While at TSU I received awards for writing financial papers submitted to the Financial Executives Institute over students at UT, OU, A&M, Pitt, TCU and some others. Upon graduation I had offers from (I'm telling my age) Enron, Dynegy, Northern Trust (Chicago Exchange), Merck&Co, J&J, BNSF, UP, and UPS. Now graduating as one of the top 3 students in the JHJ School of Business didn't hurt my efforts either. Anyway that Better school with better academics does not fly with me.

Also, why Spelman, Morehouse, Howard, Hampton, Tuskegee, etc are generally at the top of the HBCU rankings pretty much every year is because the people that publish the lists and long standing political BS. They are some of the older more well know names that's it. You get out of attending any university what you put into it.

What have these institutions done in the last 20 years to elevated their stature? Many of them are riding on old glory.

I'm sorry but uh....You're posting on emotion.

Prairie View is the #13 engineering school in Texas. UTA has the highest starting and midrange salary in the state....and the highest ROI. TSU doesn't rank in the top 10 as far as starting nor midrange salary for any of the majors you mentioned. This is why some of you are so off with it, you look at what ONE person does and say well all of us have this possibility when it's not the case. On everage, a PV engineering starting salary is between 5-10K less. And, this pretty much proves exactly what i'm saying. You can make it sound good based on your personal experience but that's not going to sell anything to the masses of these kids when all they have to do is go to payscale.com.

 

[CEE DOG]

So you are saying that blacks from school's like Georgia Tech get the same salaries as whites from Georgia Tech? Please tell me you are joking right?

I'm sorry but uh....You're posting on emotion.

Prairie View is the #13 engineering school in Texas. UTA has the highest starting and midrange salary in the state....and the highest ROI. TSU doesn't rank in the top 10 as far as starting nor midrange salary for any of the majors you mentioned. This is why some of you are so off with it, you look at what ONE person does and say well all of us have this possibility when it's not the case. On everage, a PV engineering starting salary is between 5-10K less. And, this pretty much proves exactly what i'm saying. You can make it sound good based on your personal experience but that's not going to sell anything to the masses of these kids when all they have to do is go to payscale.com.

 

[unknown1]

Black Americans are the only ethnic group who seeks acceptance. We have to stop telling lies about what America has done to purposely hold back black institutions of higher learning. We are still fighting to get funds from southern states who under funded our schools for over 150 years on purpose to deny blacks a equal education. I'm always amazed at when folks say "Tracey went to Penn ST she is so smart she is making 100K. While Sherry went to Alabama St she is doing ok making 40K." The truth is Tracey went to Penn St and majored in Chemical engineering while Tracey went to Bama St and majored in education. That is the difference. The Penn St grad is in a higher tax bracket because of her field. So we look at like the HBCU grad is doing bad that is pure ignorance among the black race. Both have solid professions but we over look that to make it seem as though the Penn St grad is leaps and bounds above the HBCU to glorify the other side of the tracks. For years white America lied and said blacks couldn't do higher math and the southern states denied full engineering programs and other STEM programs to our HBCU's. In the 80's and up until 1995 there were only seven HBCU schools with full engineering programs.Seven out of 163 and yall don't see the problem? Seven people!!! The state of Georgia just allowed other schools beside Georgia Tech to have full engineering programs in 2012 and they still didn't approve them for HBCU's in the state of Georgia. Alabama A&M had to sue in federal court and won in 1996 to get a full engineering program. The truth is we try to teach our kids the world is color blind when the world is not. If you would really have true race relations talks with whites who attend these SEC schools and other PWC's they would tell you the truth. They think our kids at these schools are more concerned about hanging out and pledging greek. They think many should not be there and believe blacks are there because of quotas and the schools getting money for them. This is why whites don't hire blacks from PWC's any quicker then blacks from HBCU's. How in the hell do expect Alabama A&M school of engineering to be ahead of the University of Alabama when they got 200 years head start on us and fully funded for decades? Come on people wake up! I tell the truth. At some point you have to challenge white males or they will continue to do what they do. When folks especially white males tell me that my school has a perception problem I make them explain what they mean. Most of the times they can't. I ask them if calculus is taught different at Alabama or something. If circuit analysis is taught different at Alabama or something. If English 101 is taught different. Stop being scared.

I mean, this doesn't just apply to HBCU's. The state of Georgia also wouldn't let UGA have an engineering program...nor would they let GSU have a school of law. That's pretty common across the board. Thing is, we're talking about 17-18 year olds. What exactly do you have to sell them on when they come visit your campus vs what Auburn and Alabama do? If the price is the same, why? It's cheaper to go to an in state PWC in most cases these days than it is to go to an HBCU. And considering most families are living damn near check to check now kids are going for the better value. it also doesn't hurt much when the amenities you get for what you're paying are much better. I mean people ask an honest question, you get honest answers. HBCU enrollment fell 14% in one year....and only graduate 12% of black college graduates now. There's a lot more to that than just a perception.

 

[unknown1]

So you are saying that blacks from school's like Georgia Tech get the same salaries as whites from Georgia Tech? Please tell me you are joking right?

Actually... the head of our department is black...and a GT grad...so... the whole "they're going to pay you less if you're black even if you graduate from a highly ranked school" rhetoric isn't really going to get you anywhere here.

 

[CEE DOG]

You are right it's a lot more to it because of the loan structure Republicans did. Also those blacks from those PWCs are not graduating in high numbers from STEM programs. If you gonna be tell it tell it correct. So what value are you getting in a liberal arts degree from UGA? So you are honestly saying the state of Georgia did not purposely hold back HBCUs?

I mean, this doesn't just apply to HBCU's. The state of Georgia also wouldn't let UGA have an engineering program...nor would they let GSU have a school of law. That's pretty common across the board. Thing is, we're talking about 17-18 year olds. What exactly do you have to sell them on when they come visit your campus vs what Auburn and Alabama do? If the price is the same, why? It's cheaper to go to an in state PWC in most cases these days than it is to go to an HBCU. And considering most families are living damn near check to check now kids are going for the better value. it also doesn't hurt much when the amenities you get for what you're paying are much better. I mean people ask an honest question, you get honest answers. HBCU enrollment fell 14% in one year....and only graduate 12% of black college graduates now. There's a lot more to that than just a perception.

 

[CEE DOG]

Dude I have been on six proposal teams in the last seven months. Huntsville has the highest concentrations of engineers in the country behind research park. Guess what it's not the Black's from MIT and GT in those positions. I don't have to lie to kick it. I keep it real. Those black GT grads get discriminated just like us. I work in a building with over 10k engineers in it and those black PWC grads in the back like us. In fact out of the 10k in this building less then 20% are blacks.

Actually... the head of our department is black...and a GT grad...so... the whole "they're going to pay you less if you're black even if you graduate from a highly ranked school" rhetoric isn't really going to get you anywhere here.

 

[Da Sleeper]

I'm sorry but uh....You're posting on emotion.

Prairie View is the #13 engineering school in Texas. UTA has the highest starting and midrange salary in the state....and the highest ROI. TSU doesn't rank in the top 10 as far as starting nor midrange salary for any of the majors you mentioned. This is why some of you are so off with it, you look at what ONE person does and say well all of us have this possibility when it's not the case. On everage, a PV engineering starting salary is between 5-10K less. And, this pretty much proves exactly what i'm saying. You can make it sound good based on your personal experience but that's not going to sell anything to the masses of these kids when all they have to do is go to payscale.com.

You are right, I look at one person and say we all have this possibility because I believe we do. You look at the one and think they are just and anomaly, you would be surprised what hard work and dedication will do for your possibilities.
Please post links to your stats also, how many times have you ever heard someone that is not black say that the black is better? Even if it is they will not tell you.
So I'm emotional and your brain washed that's the real problem.

Funny thing is a&m is ranked #1. I guess I wouldn't expect you to know pv and a&m use the same curriculum and even share classes. The a&m folk from the other a&m campuses come and train at the pv nasa facility. But hey the man say pv is #13 and I guess he knows.

I think we are looking at the same list but some of that ranking is based on Curriculum, # of engineering degrees offered, but hey I guess #13 out of 119 ain't too shabby. Tell you one thing that concerns me, fewer and fewer the these students enrolled in these programs are Americans of African descent.

Caucasian and Hispanic students from UT are deep at the TSU law school. So keep on thinking these programs are second rate while others continue to fill the seats.

 

[CEE DOG]

Actually... the head of our department is black...and a GT grad...so... the whole "they're going to pay you less if you're black even if you graduate from a highly ranked school" rhetoric isn't really going to get you anywhere here.

How many proposal teams have you worked on? I mean seriously let's keep it real. Over the last 25 years I have worked for black mangers also.in fact the Chief Engineer I work for now is a Jackson St grad. Dude you are hilarious. Lol

 

[PsychoJag]

Yeah we went through this with my wife's niece. She had around a 3.9 GPA and didn't want to go to a HBCU even though her mother, grandparents, all of her aunts, and I went to HBCU's. Doing very good. We finally convinced her to take a trip to Howard and she liked it a lot, got a full ride, interned at Boeing this past summer, plus she got an offer to intern at Goldman Sachs. In the meantime her friend from high school is at Texas A&M struggling.

 

[chocalate_topaz]

You are right, I look at one person and say we all have this possibility because I believe we do. You look at the one and think they are just and anomaly, you would be surprised what hard work and dedication will do for your possibilities.
Please post links to your stats also, how many times have you ever heard someone that is not black say that the black is better? Even if it is they will not tell you.
So I'm emotional and your brain washed that's the real problem.

Funny thing is a&m is ranked #1. I guess I wouldn't expect you to know pv and a&m use the same curriculum and even share classes. The a&m folk from the other a&m campuses come and train at the pv nasa facility. But hey the man say pv is #13 and I guess he knows.

I think we are looking at the same list but some of that ranking is based on Curriculum, # of engineering degrees offered, but hey I guess #13 out of 119 ain't too shabby. Tell you one thing that concerns me, fewer and fewer the these students enrolled in these programs are Americans of African descent.

Caucasian and Hispanic students from UT are deep at the TSU law school. So keep on thinking these programs are second rate while others continue to fill the seats.

Yep, Tuskegee's vet school is like that now...other race is ready to get any slot open. Fool yourselves not.

 

[Da Sleeper]

Yep, Tuskegee's vet school is like that now...other race is ready to get any slot open. Fool yourselves not.

17 Longhorns Graduate From the Thurgood Marshall School of Law

 

[bigmanofds]

Yeah we went through this with my wife's niece. She had around a 3.9 GPA and didn't want to go to a HBCU even though her mother, grandparents, all of her aunts, and I went to HBCU's. Doing very good. We finally convinced her to take a trip to Howard and she liked it a lot, got a full ride, interned at Boeing this past summer, plus she got an offer to intern at Goldman Sachs. In the meantime her friend from high school is at Texas A&M struggling.

You can struggle at a HBCU if you’re not doing what you’re supposed to do. A lot of kids believe that a HBCU is easy or not challenging. I know dam well that’s a MYTH. lol