Why do African-American students reject historically black colleges?

[In_The_662]

17 Longhorns Graduate From the Thurgood Marshall School of Law

Not surprising.

Heck I was taking grad classes at Valley with a good number of Ole Miss grads getting their masters in education. I'm sure it's like that at a lot of our schools with nationally ranked programs (UAPB with their Aquaculture program, SU's law school, PV's Engineering program, etc.)

 

[tigertrail]

By Greg Perkins

What’s wrong with historically black colleges and universities?

According to data published by the Postsecondary National Policy Institute, HBCU enrollment declined by 14 percent in 2011, wiping out much of the growth of the prior 10 years.

Recently, I was very disappointed in my daughter’s assessment of HBCUs. She seemed to think historically black colleges are second-rate institutions. This view was reiterated when I spoke with a former college roommate who said neither of his children attended or wanted to attend an HBCU after graduating from high school.

Read the rest: http://getschooled.blog.ajc.com/201...historically-black-colleges-and-universities/

I agree with most of you, Cee, Sleeper, etc. But I don't think there's anything wrong with our schools. I do think there are several different reasons why enrollment is declining.......while I do think the misconception of HBCUs is the main one, there's one of which I don't know if it was mentioned(because I skimmed through the thread).......it's that a lot of our black kids who have HBCU parents are growing up in slightly different environment(predominately white suburbs, predominately white high schools, etc). NOW......my kid is one of these and I have and will continue to expose my kid to HBCU's and what they offer and make sure they know that an education from an HBCU is just as good, the environment they live in(friends, school, etc) is one which consists of Univ Of Texas, TCU, Baylor, SMU.....etc. Their friends whether white or black are on that same path. Now this may be a SMALL reason, I do think it contributes to it The same way more and more top black athletes are going to PWCs instead of HBCUs because the day an age we lived in of "you better not go to that white school" is not the same anymore. The Jimmy Smith's, Aneas(sp?) Williams, type athletes are going elsewhere these days. Some because they think it's better.......some because that's just an extension of the environment they're already living in. just my little opinion. Again, I think this is a SMALL part of it. I too don't like that there are too many black parents/students who think that our schools are inferior.

 

[BRAVEHEART123]

17 Longhorns Graduate From the Thurgood Marshall School of Law

They don't hear you though...smh. I mentioned this earlier but in Mississippi, kids are going to Alcorn for Undergrad and then going to JSU for Grad School. I have no problem with this as it is still in the HBCU Environment. Part Brave, Part Tiger.

The picture of the Longhorns on TXSU's campus is what scares me though. They are going to HBCU Grad Schools because they are cheaper. HBCU Grads do need to wake up. They are trying to trap us in a cycle of dependence.

 

[Da Sleeper]

They don't hear you though...smh. I mentioned this earlier but in Mississippi, kids are going to Alcorn for Undergrad and then going to JSU for Grad School. I have no problem with this as it is still in the HBCU Environment. Part Brave, Part Tiger.

The picture of the Longhorns on TXSU's campus is what scares me though. They are going to HBCU Grad Schools because they are cheaper. HBCU Grads do need to wake up. They are trying to trap us in a cycle of dependence.

Don't get me wrong I don't care what nationality matriculates through these programs. I was addressing the earlier point of view that our grads are not as attractive as grads from the larger institutions. Some think you will not make as much $ if you graduate from one of the HBCU programs. The $ you make depends on how well prepared you are and the market for the type of position you are trying to obtain. My company actually uses a third party to review compensation in an attempt to eliminate pay biases.

 

[2kool]

They don't hear you though...smh. I mentioned this earlier but in Mississippi, kids are going to Alcorn for Undergrad and then going to JSU for Grad School. I have no problem with this as it is still in the HBCU Environment. Part Brave, Part Tiger. The picture of the Longhorns on TXSU's campus is what scares me though. They are going to HBCU Grad Schools because they are cheaper. HBCU Grads do need to wake up. They are trying to trap us in a cycle of dependence.

Those UT grads will probably end up in State supreme courts and send TxSU law grads resume' to the recycle bin.

 

[Da Sleeper]

Those UT grads will probably end up in State supreme courts and send TxSU law grads resume' to the recycle bin.

Did you even look at the article? Those UT grads are TxSU Thurgood Marshall School of Law grads. Can you clarify the point you were trying to make?

 

[2kool]

Did you even look at the article? Those UT grads are TxSU Thurgood Marshall School of Law grads. Can you clarify the point you were trying to make?

Those white UT grads which graduated from the Thurgood Marshall School of Law are still highly likely to discriminate against black TMSoL grads in regards to hiring, networking, etc...even though they both have degrees from the same law school.

 

[Da Sleeper]

Those white UT grads which graduated from the Thurgood Marshall School of Law are still highly likely to discriminate against black TMSoL grads in regards to hiring, networking, etc...even though they both have degrees from the same law school.

Okay I got it now Thanks...I don't agree but I understand what you meant now.

 

[2kool]

Okay I got it now Thanks...I don't agree but I understand what you meant now.

You don't have to agree. I've seen the same practices in action to draw my own conclusions.

 

[Da Sleeper]

You don't have to agree. I've seen the same practices in action to draw my own conclusions.

I say your sample size to too small to draw any conclusions within an acceptable CI.

No one wanted to fly with these guys. They kept training and working to improve at their craft. They got a opportunity and brought more bombers back than any other unit. They worked to be the best. Not the best Colored pilots but the best period. Before the end of the war efforts they were flying the most important missions our country had.

Have you considered that maybe your are not as good at what you do as you think you are?
Look within and ask have you really put in the work. Not trying to jab at you, but we all have to look within first.

 

[2kool]

I say your sample size to too small to draw any conclusions within an acceptable CI.

No one wanted to fly with these guys. They kept training and working to improve at their craft. They got a opportunity and brought more bombers back than any other unit. They worked to be the best. Not the best Colored pilots but the best period. Before the end of the war efforts they were flying the most important missions our country had.

Have you considered that maybe your are not as good at what you do as you think you are?
Look within and ask have you really put in the work. Not trying to jab at you, but we all have to look within first.

Yeah, you're either naive, a white supremacist apologist, or haven't experienced bigotry in the workplace. There are studies and research to back up my claims.

White people aren't a monolith, so of course they're not all racist...but if you're good at your craft, many of them will see you as a threat...especially if you're not a boot licker.

 

[J C]

I say your sample size to too small to draw any conclusions within an acceptable CI.

No one wanted to fly with these guys. They kept training and working to improve at their craft. They got a opportunity and brought more bombers back than any other unit. They worked to be the best. Not the best Colored pilots but the best period. Before the end of the war efforts they were flying the most important missions our country had.

Have you considered that maybe your are not as good at what you do as you think you are?
Look within and ask have you really put in the work. Not trying to jab at you, but we all have to look within first.

B.O. Davis defending his Airmen before the brass in 1943.

 

[Da Sleeper]

Yeah, you're either naive, a white supremacist apologist, or haven't experienced bigotry in the workplace. There are studies and research to back up my claims.

White people aren't a monolith, so of course they're not all racist...but if you're good at your craft, many of them will see you as a threat...especially if you're not a boot licker.

Interesting response, I knew their was a fundamental flaw in my comment when I made it. I just wanted to see how you would respond.

When those brave hero pilots returned from war many still called them n****r and boy. I know this too well. I know their are still major roadblocks and obstacles to success for people of color, especially Americans of African descent.
But I also know with a good plan, and dedication one can do anything. If you are not getting a fair shake where you are, find a new place to go.

 

[buckwheat1911]

By Greg Perkins

What’s wrong with historically black colleges and universities?

According to data published by the Postsecondary National Policy Institute, HBCU enrollment declined by 14 percent in 2011, wiping out much of the growth of the prior 10 years.

Recently, I was very disappointed in my daughter’s assessment of HBCUs. She seemed to think historically black colleges are second-rate institutions. This view was reiterated when I spoke with a former college roommate who said neither of his children attended or wanted to attend an HBCU after graduating from high school.

Read the rest: http://getschooled.blog.ajc.com/201...historically-black-colleges-and-universities/

It's all about exposure and parents teaching their kids about HBCU's. I see it all the time in my hometown in Mississippi. We have a lot of successful adults in my community that graduated from MVSU, Alcorn, JSU, Rust, Texas Soutern, etc. The younger generation looks down on these universities and go to Ole Miss, Southern Miss, and Mississippi State. For some reason, they feel they get a better education. Maybe it's because of the scholarship money. I'm not sure. I have a friend that graduated from Clemson undergrad and Michigan grad. His wife graduated from FAMU undergrad and Michigan grad and she is big on her kids going to HBCU's. The husband is not sold on HBCU's and feels they aren't that great, but he is always talking about the people he has met from Grad school at Michigan that went to Grambling, FAMU and other HBCU's that are doing great. I think our alumni and schools have to step up recruiting and alumni giving. My wife and I are both HBCU grads and our kids know that Grambling and FAMU will be great schools for them to attend. It's all about exposure.

 

[buckwheat1911]

All of the points made so far in this thread are valid, but I think the primary problem for HBCUs are the self inflicted (negative) issues that come up and are reported in the media time and time again. Overtime, that takes a toll. We can't deny the thought of a prospective student who walks on the campus of an HBCU, only to see worn facilities or landscaping that hasn't been managed, that it doesn't factor into he/her decision. We are talking about 17 and 18 year-olds who are very impressionable. Little things like that go a long way in the area of perception.

We're in the same boat. My middle child wants to go to JSU,Tougaloo or Alcorn. My oldest is looking at State, Memphis State...The baby will probably be all JSU because she will get the most exposure to JSU. My oldest would probably go to Ole Miss if we let her. Actually she's been talking out of state Schools on the East coast too?? They have been exposed to HBCU's but it will come down to economics and who's offering the most scholarship dollars.. My kids better not go broke trying to get these degrees...I've been on them about starting their own businesses and figuring out a career path now...

I tell my kids they better have a plan. They are going to college, but are not going to be living with me and the wife. lol The thing I like about the DMV is that there are several HBCU's locally to choose from along with PWI's. Morgan State has a great Engineering program even better than the University of Maryland. Georgetown, George Mason, Howard, UMESS, Bowie State, etc. If they do want to go out of state, we will look at cost and value of the degree fields.

 

[buckwheat1911]

Black Americans are the only ethnic group who seeks acceptance. We have to stop telling lies about what America has done to purposely hold back black institutions of higher learning. We are still fighting to get funds from southern states who under funded our schools for over 150 years on purpose to deny blacks a equal education. I'm always amazed at when folks say "Tracey went to Penn ST she is so smart she is making 100K. While Sherry went to Alabama St she is doing ok making 40K." The truth is Tracey went to Penn St and majored in Chemical engineering while Tracey went to Bama St and majored in education. That is the difference. The Penn St grad is in a higher tax bracket because of her field. So we look at like the HBCU grad is doing bad that is pure ignorance among the black race. Both have solid professions but we over look that to make it seem as though the Penn St grad is leaps and bounds above the HBCU to glorify the other side of the tracks. For years white America lied and said blacks couldn't do higher math and the southern states denied full engineering programs and other STEM programs to our HBCU's. In the 80's and up until 1995 there were only seven HBCU schools with full engineering programs.Seven out of 163 and yall don't see the problem? Seven people!!! The state of Georgia just allowed other schools beside Georgia Tech to have full engineering programs in 2012 and they still didn't approve them for HBCU's in the state of Georgia. Alabama A&M had to sue in federal court and won in 1996 to get a full engineering program. The truth is we try to teach our kids the world is color blind when the world is not. If you would really have true race relations talks with whites who attend these SEC schools and other PWC's they would tell you the truth. They think our kids at these schools are more concerned about hanging out and pledging greek. They think many should not be there and believe blacks are there because of quotas and the schools getting money for them. This is why whites don't hire blacks from PWC's any quicker then blacks from HBCU's. How in the hell do expect Alabama A&M school of engineering to be ahead of the University of Alabama when they got 200 years head start on us and fully funded for decades? Come on people wake up! I tell the truth. At some point you have to challenge white males or they will continue to do what they do. When folks especially white males tell me that my school has a perception problem I make them explain what they mean. Most of the times they can't. I ask them if calculus is taught different at Alabama or something. If circuit analysis is taught different at Alabama or something. If English 101 is taught different. Stop being scared.

Man that is on point.

 

[buckwheat1911]

You can struggle at a HBCU if you’re not doing what you’re supposed to do. A lot of kids believe that a HBCU is easy or not challenging. I know dam well that’s a MYTH. lol

Truth lol! Grambling Computer Science program was no job either. We had to take a lot of math courses and the programming was tough.

 

[buckwheat1911]

Not surprising.

Heck I was taking grad classes at Valley with a good number of Ole Miss grads getting their masters in education. I'm sure it's like that at a lot of our schools with nationally ranked programs (UAPB with their Aquaculture program, SU's law school, PV's Engineering program, etc.)

They also look at as a why to get minority scholarships to pay for college. It's a win-win for them as it would be if we went to their schools for grad school.

 

[Da Sleeper]

B.O. Davis defending his Airmen before the brass in 1943.

These young cats don't know noting about this, they to cool for this. We have forgot to tell our younger generations if they don't study the history they will repeat it.

A little bit about Full General Davis
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/bodavisjr.htm

 

[bigmanofds]

These young cats don't know noting about this, they to cool for this. We have forgot to tell our younger generations if they don't study the history they will repeat it.

A little bit about Full General Davis
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/bodavisjr.htm

So now you want to use written and recorded history as a way of proving a point.

 

[Da Sleeper]

So now you want to use written and recorded history as a way of proving a point.

I really wanted to quote a couple things off that link but they have it locked.

While @ west point No one would talk to him period other than what was required as part of training. No one would sleep in the same building with him for fear it would be attcked.
No one would eat in the dining hall @ the same time he ate.
But before it was over everyone @ west point when he was there and every other American military member had to call him sir, as he is one of very few to ever dawn the full compliment of stars on his shoulders.
Full General, which means in case of emergency/war he would be in line to serve as Commander in Cheif.

 

[CEE DOG]

I have met a great amount of blacks who admit they feel white people are smarter then black folks. I know this one guy who said he only wants his kids to be around whites because they give you a better chance in life.

 

[CEE DOG]

Now to be truthful we also have a bunch of folks who don't have the best interest our universities in their hearts either.

 

[2kool]

Now to be truthful we also have a bunch of folks who don't have the best interest our universities in their hearts either.

100% correct

 

[bigmanofds]

I really wanted to quote a couple things off that link but they have it locked.

While @ west point No one would talk to him period other than what was required as part of training. No one would sleep in the same building with him for fear it would be attcked.
No one would eat in the dining hall @ the same time he ate.
But before it was over everyone @ west point when he was there and every other American military member had to call him sir, as he is one of very few to ever dawn the full compliment of stars on his shoulders.
Full General, which means in case of emergency/war he would be in line to serve as Commander in Cheif.

That may have been the case in 1932. In 2015 these kids are not subjugated to that type of abuse anymore. PLEASE, don’t think I’m saying racism does not exist and much MORE needs to be done. But I just think we are doing a disservice to our kids and the people who fought and died for equality by saying you have to go to a black school.

But I think we are getting off on what’s the real issue here. Our kids (black kids) are not choosing HBCUs. As I said earlier, these kids are the information age generation. They are more critical thinkers. They are not the industrial age memorize it and regurgitate it like their parents. They connect the dots. Since this thread has been started, nobody has provided not one stat, link, or information on why HBCUs is a better option for our kids. Only thing I’ve been reading is personal experiences or outdated information. Like the response I get when we are talking about religion. And like with religion, the only solution most are giving to rectify the situation is to FORCE them to go. HBCUs have been in a bubble for years. Now the bubble is about to pop. HBCUs have to find better ways to compete with these other schools. With the budget constants on higher ed., I can’t see them being around much longer especially if other places are producing more black graduates than HBCUs themselves.