When did the 'STANDS' become more important than the 'FIELD'?


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SLT said:
Where is the one that Suge started? I can't find it! That one was classic also! :lol:
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I don't know but didn't somebody talk about Get Ready and Jackson State's football team not being $*****?:read: :lmao: :lmao:
 



SUtrp96 said:
Adran where did ANYBODY say HALF-ARSE your show?


H3ll the bands that is getting HOUSE AIN'T even doing drill... to me they are HALF-ARSING their shows nowadays just for the hope of some cheap house.
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Dayum Jared. You can pick an argument out of the air.

You reading too much into what I'm saying. I was talking about/to one school in particular, and the aftermath from the game in question. Calm down. You talking bout the same kinda band I am....
 
Devil's Gun Trigger Man said:
i... Alot of it has to do with creativity also. Halftime shows have almost gone the was of the slam dunk. After so long you just get immune to it. How many different ways can u march on a field, drill, go to concert formation, let girls dance, go to block band, band dance and come off the field...
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And that is EXACTLY what made me fall in love with CORPS STYLE marching. You drill from the time you enter the field until you exit. You even drill when the dancers are being featured. Creativity is never lost because something is ALWAYS moving and being formed.

I will be quite honest with you: Most HBCU halftime shows bore me because I know what is going to happen before the band hits the field.
 
dacontinent said:
And that is EXACTLY what made me fall in love with CORPS STYLE marching. You drill from the time you enter the field until you exit. You even drill when the dancers are being featured. Creativity is never lost because something is ALWAYS moving and being formed.

I will be quite honest with you: Most HBCU halftime shows bore me because I know what is going to happen before the band hits the field.
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If that's the case you were never really impressed with SU or JSU in the 80's or 70's.....
 
SUtrp96 said:
If that's the case you were never really impressed with SU or JSU in the 80's or 70's.....
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On the contrary. I was at JSU during Houghton's final years. Both SU's and JSU's drills were good. Both DANCED A LOT LESS AND PLAYED A LOT MORE!!!
There were vocalists and instrumental soloists. We did not waste 1.5 minutes at the beginning of every show watching DM's do their burlesque routines. Instead, more drill was packed into the show. Doc Greggs pulled off the "Flying Eagle" formation and it was absolutely masterful.

DM's actually conducted the bands on the field instead of being an additional troupe of dancers. They played JAZZ on the field in addition to what was on the Pop/R&B charts. The highlight was the field show and not the stands because every band ought to be able to play well from a stationary position; marching band was meant for the band to be in motion. And, most importantly, Prof Davis would have beaten somebody to death if they even talked about playing anything that resembled RAP. I can almost hear him now.
 
Good thread....


Frankly, any program worth it's salt understands that you're in performance mode the minute you put the uniform on and march into the stadium until you march out of the stadium and take your uniform off...

That goes for field shows, 5th Quarters, Football/Game Support, etc....Everything you do in that uniform you do with your best foot forward...Every aspect of your performance is important; You should be just as razor sharp for an on-field performance at halftime as you should for 5Q Battle and Vice versa...


Frankly, that's the one element that's missing from alot of our ensembles collectively in this day and age...It's all important; You should be prepared to effectively split some bands wig back to the fat meat regardless of the circumstances...:smash:
 
crazylegs said:
Good thread....


Frankly, any program worth it's salt understands that you're in performance mode the minute you put the uniform on and march into the stadium until you march out of the stadium and take your uniform off...

That goes for field shows, 5th Quarters, Football/Game Support, etc....Everything you do in that uniform you do with your best foot forward...Every aspect of your performance is important; You should be just as razor sharp for an on-field performance at halftime as you should for 5Q Battle and Vice versa...


Frankly, that's the one element that's missing from alot of our ensembles collectively in this day and age...It's all important; You should be prepared to effectively split some bands wig back to the fat meat regardless of the circumstances...:smash:
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Amen Brother!!!:bowdown:
 
jag4life said:
When did SU's DMs conduct on the field? When has SU ever had a 1.5 minute DM routine?
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I don' t know the answer to either question. My statements were pointed more to the crunch for time that is so often alluded to by the 10-minute rule. Wasted time is always lost.

I know that the DM backbend is an SU tradition and all of that. I don't know that it takes 1.5 minutes. One of the reasons that it doesn't is that SU only uses 1 DM - a fact that I wholeheartedly applaud. There have been some SU DM's who were proficient with the mace: always a standout skill.

I guess my view is that if you want to kill time, do it in pre-game or post-game but not at halftime.
 
a good band can have 5 minutes and show out...things are not how they use to be so learn to adjust and do your thing...and why is the Bayou Classic Battle of the Bands so successful?? GSU/SU do no field show and get thousands to watch..and just like stated before we should be good all around no excuses..
 



PVJAGUAR said:
a good band can have 5 minutes and show out...things are not how they use to be so learn to adjust and do your thing...and why is the Bayou Classic Battle of the Bands so successful?? GSU/SU do no field show and get thousands to watch..and just like stated before we should be good all around no excuses..
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A band can surely show out in 5 minutes, but I rather doubt that they can impress unless they are spending an incredible amount of energy. 320 steps per min is cool when sustained for more than a minute. Playing immediately after completing that minute is impressive. Playing WHILE executing the steps would be phenomenal (and nearly impossible). Dancing and playing at the same time is impressive when the sound does not suffer.

The Bayou Classic Battle of the Bands format works because it is all about in-your-face one-upsmanship. It is the same thing the battling big bands of Ellington, Basie, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, and Chic Webb did back in the 1940's. Turn the fans loose and let them go away thinking that they decided who won while the bands assess each other and determine who really won while collecting all of that really nice revenue. With all of the excitement of the evening, the fans leave impressed to spread the fame so when the bands go out individually the crowds still show up en masse. It is truly Barnum & Bailey's Finest.

There are plenty of marching bands around the country who hold two-hour warm-up/concerts before each home that draw 5K-10K people EVERY game. In addition to all of the above, the real focus is to recruit prospective students.
 
the band fan said:
problem now is that you look at the old tapes...bands almost always went over 10 minutes and gave you a full show. When they started enforcing the 10 minute rule, the little things to make a band stand out went by the wayside.
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Is the 10 minute rule a SWAC or NCAA rule?
 
TBone2 said:
Is the 10 minute rule a SWAC or NCAA rule?
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The 2005 NCAA rulebook reads as follows:

SECTION 2. Playing Time and Intermissions
Length of Periods and Intermissions
ARTICLE 1. The total playing time in a collegiate game shall be 60 minutes,
divided into four periods of 15 minutes each, with one-minute intermissions
between the first and second periods (first half) and between the third
and fourth periods (second half) (Exception: A one-minute intermission
between the first and second and the third and fourth periods may be
extended for radio and television timeouts).
a. No period shall end until the ball is dead and the referee declares the
period ended [S14].
b. The intermission between halves, which begins when the field is clear
of all players and coaches, shall be 20 minutes.
c. The 20-minute intermission between halves may start immediately
after the second period ends if dictated by conference policy when both
teams are in the same conference, or by mutual agreement of the competing
teams.

So, I would say that it is an NCAA rule. And the truth is that it would likely be an 8 minute rule if things were strictly enforced.
 
S.U. T-BONE 99 said:
The reason people place so much emphasis on the stands is because now field shows are rushed. You don't get too much time to get the crowd to groove with what you're doing. Also, a lot band directors cut out the creativity with the halftime shows. Band members got tired of doing the same shows, although executed to a T, its out of the control of the students. See the difference between bands back then and bands now is that bands before had time to satisfy what the director and the students but with a shorter time limit on the filed who do you think will win the battle when it comes to deciding what a band does on the field. If bands had more time you would see the creativity level come back up for halftime.
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Interesting!!!
 
dacontinent said:
A band can surely show out in 5 minutes, but I rather doubt that they can impress unless they are spending an incredible amount of energy. 320 steps per min is cool when sustained for more than a minute. Playing immediately after completing that minute is impressive. Playing WHILE executing the steps would be phenomenal (and nearly impossible). Dancing and playing at the same time is impressive when the sound does not suffer.

The Bayou Classic Battle of the Bands format works because it is all about in-your-face one-upsmanship. It is the same thing the battling big bands of Ellington, Basie, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, and Chic Webb did back in the 1940's. Turn the fans loose and let them go away thinking that they decided who won while the bands assess each other and determine who really won while collecting all of that really nice revenue. With all of the excitement of the evening, the fans leave impressed to spread the fame so when the bands go out individually the crowds still show up en masse. It is truly Barnum & Bailey's Finest.

There are plenty of marching bands around the country who hold two-hour warm-up/concerts before each home that draw 5K-10K people EVERY game. In addition to all of the above, the real focus is to recruit prospective students.
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:tup: Boy!!!! This is some good read!!!!
Good points on both sides.
I was taught that the field show was the main focal point but, in the stands ,....we had to play better arrangements that the other bands. We were all playing pretty much the same songs.
I also agree that things are not the same. Somebody has dropped the ball somewhere. We have resulted in a short term fix which is devastating to future musicians. All for house!!!! :smh: Music as well as the mentality of society is changing for the worse. I don't have the answer to what the solution is but, if if it don't get any better,....people like me will be forced to stay at home and dig our own private collections.

I knew I said something relative to this before:

Legend35 said:
Let me just say this. As far as the band of today is concerned,......these are different times. I've said this somewhere before and I'm gonna say it again. Bands today do not practice as long and hard as they use to in my time. Society is more complexed and demanding. More output is required with less time for preparation. You can't work today like those bands did back then. Todays world with all it's demands will not allow it.
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The issue here is bands don't bring fans to a fanatic level any more. Once you get that high from a crowd, there is no comparison to field. The field can be very humbling also - you think you got a kick a** show and all you get is popcorn claps. Yeah, you love the stands more then. But, if it is done right, the field is the cake. The stands is the icing, candles, etc... It all matters, but non of it matters without the cake (the halftime show). No gratification is greater than that of 25,000-70,000 fans all hollar and cheering for what you are doing and continuing to do so has you walk off or march off past them on the sideline. Oh yeah, the field is the real deal - not to lessen the importance of the role of the stands because we worked our butts off for both.

Peace...
 
ZNSPR8502 said:
The issue here is bands don't bring fans to a fanatic level any more. Once you get that high from a crowd, there is no comparison to field. The field can be very humbling also - you think you got a kick a** show and all you get is popcorn claps. Yeah, you love the stands more then. But, if it is done right, the field is the cake. The stands is the icing, candles, etc... It all matters, but non of it matters without the cake (the halftime show). No gratification is greater than that of 25,000-70,000 fans all hollar and cheering for what you are doing and continuing to do so has you walk off or march off past them on the sideline. Oh yeah, the field is the real deal - not to lessen the importance of the role of the stands because we worked our butts off for both.

Peace...
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One of the best posts I have read in a LONNNNNG time.
 
ZNSPR8502 said:
...No gratification is greater than that of 25,000-70,000 fans all hollar and cheering for what you are doing and continuing to do so has you walk off or march off past them on the sideline. ...
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I read you loud and clear. My qualm with this philosphy is that the priorities are out of order. The first responsibility of the marching band program must be to educate. Entertainment comes second. It is great to have people roaring for what you do. The gratification is wonderful. But, if the generic fan does not a great show to be entertaining for them, I really could not care a flying rip. If it is entertaining but not executed with precision, I am going to chew a hole in the band. All this talk about "gettin' house" disgusts me. I'll take the respect and admiration of the peers and professionals for my level of execution over the flattery of the fans any day.

Put it this way, if I were a recording artist, I would appreciate an American Music Award or a People's Choice Award but I would feel incomplete without a Grammy.
 
Legend35 said:
Let me just say this. As far as the band of today is concerned,......these are different times. I've said this somewhere before and I'm gonna say it again. Bands today do not practice as long and hard as they use to in my time. Society is more complexed and demanding. More output is required with less time for preparation. You can't work today like those bands did back then. Todays world with all it's demands will not allow it.:
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I remember this quote. And I think you are correct. I work with a local HS band. Depending on the year, our drill shows have 60 - 75 charts in a show. There are changes every week. We do not have a band camp and we only rehearse on the field for 4 hours/week. The system is great and the kids know how to work it. We have 275 kids in this band and typically 100 of them are freshmen, ages 14-15.

When I read comments about the lack of creativity in the college shows and the 10-minute rule (we have 9 minutes in HS), it really makes me wonder HOW EFFICIENTLY we are working with our 18-23 year-olds at the college level.
 
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