What has Dr. Liddell done for the Sonic Boom lately?
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I know right jared.. I peeped that! LOL jsu week.. i was in my room by 9:30 pm at the lastest.. :smh: @ them in practice until midnight or later
I know right jared.. I peeped that! LOL jsu week.. i was in my room by 9:30 pm at the lastest.. :smh: @ them in practice until midnight or later
JR
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(That?s thanks to a long-ago snubbing, says Liddell, when he and Greggs were high school band directors. Liddell leading the band at a ?country? school felt the burning tinge of condescension from Greggs, a champion ?city director. Liddell says he?s never forgotten the slight and never will. ?The Southern game does pull something out of ?Doc, ?explains Walls. He and Dr. Greggs have this professional rivalry. It?s like him against Dr. Greggs. ?He wants to make him look bad.? )
Somebody explain something me. How old is Dr. Liddell? How in the hell was he a high school band director at the same time Doc was. When I was at Callaway HS in Jackson, Liddell was at Provine HS who were our chief band rivals and he was there while I was in Jr High at Brinkley as well. Meanwhile Doc has been the director at SU since 1969. Was Liddell a HS band director pre- 1969? And where did this supposed slight happen. I know Doc taught in Shreveport and I think he was at SU Lab. But since their is an age difference it is no way they were HS directors at the same time. Doc must have slighted him when Liddell was at Provine when SU came to Jackson or something. That article is flawed on that note. I do remember a certain "Welcome to the SWAC" comment Doc made to Liddell one year in Jackson after the game.
But this slight thing has to be since Liddell took over at JSU. Not during some HS deal. Shid it probably wasn't any black HS band directors in Jackson before 69 except at the black HS. Oh well the article is still funny.
On a sidenote, back in the day all bands practiced harder for the better bands. No shame in that. It is called not letting a band rolled up on you with your draws down. Back then you had too. I know we always practiced a long time in the 80s at SU and I know JSU did too. But when you knew TxSU, FAMU or JSU was coming, we did practice a little harder or when we were going on the road to face a good band. I guess it is different now. The Jukebox getting done with practice at 9:30 never happened with us. Even when we were playing Nicholls State. LOL. Let me get off my soapbox before I start an old school vs new school debate. :argue:
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Somebody explain something me. How old is Dr. Liddell? How in the hell was he a high school band director at the same time Doc was. When I was at Callaway HS in Jackson, Liddell was at Provine HS who were our chief band rivals and he was there while I was in Jr High at Brinkley as well. Meanwhile Doc has been the director at SU since 1969. Was Liddell a HS band director pre- 1969? And where did this supposed slight happen. I know Doc taught in Shreveport and I think he was at SU Lab. But since their is an age difference it is no way they were HS directors at the same time. Doc must have slighted him when Liddell was at Provine when SU came to Jackson or something. That article is flawed on that note. I do remember a certain "Welcome to the SWAC" comment Doc made to Liddell one year in Jackson after the game.
But this slight thing has to be since Liddell took over at JSU. Not during some HS deal. Shid it probably wasn't any black HS band directors in Jackson before 69 except at the black HS. Oh well the article is still funny.
On a sidenote, back in the day all bands practiced harder for the better bands. No shame in that. It is called not letting a band rolled up on you with your draws down. Back then you had too. I know we always practiced a long time in the 80s at SU and I know JSU did too. But when you knew TxSU, FAMU or JSU was coming, we did practice a little harder or when we were going on the road to face a good band. I guess it is different now. The Jukebox getting done with practice at 9:30 never happened with us. Even when we were playing Nicholls State. LOL. Let me get off my soapbox before I start an old school vs new school debate. :argue:
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SUtrp96
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JR said:
What you are saying is very much correct..... My first years at SU we left practice at 12:00am every night.... I know back then you guys were just getting started...... That's not the issue....The issue is when you have members from another school not wanting to admit they do practice longer and harder for a certain school and then you see it in their city's new paper it's funny...
SU BAND didn't change from the way DOC approach things since you left. Doc got sicker so he found every excuse to let us out of practice earlier... But SU from when I was in the band we never practice harder for a certain school, we practiced just the same. We came up with different routines for certain cities, but the push and drive at practice was the same. Nothing wrong with another school getting up harder for SU though....It's just funny when they don't want to admit it.
Although we did leave practice earlier than DOC earlier bands, we still let NOONE out drill us... :lecture:
As far as the creativity on the field, chalk that up to shorter time on the field and an older more conservative DOC.... Shat DOC used to come in the big room asking us..."What the latest steps in the "BAR ROOMS"....lol We were dealing with a someone different DOC.... You and I know the issue on that...
JR
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SUtrp96 said:
I know man. I was just razzing yall a little. Plus most school's admins are on these band directors arses not to be out there all night like we were. Some of those practices made no sense that we did. Hell how many times can you "take it back" or "from the top" Friday night used to hell. We may not get out till 1 or 2 am and then the poor Funk Factory would still be going at it until 3 am sometimes. I remember my crab year in 84 we practiced damn near till the time the Greyhound buses pulled up outside the bandroom to take us to Nashville to play TnState. I remember Doc sending us to our rooms with just enough time to shower and bring our arses back to leave out at about 4 am. Longest bus ride we ever took during my time in the Jukebox. But it was well worth it. TnState got the business that weekend. :saw:
Rightfully so after the Boom had come down on our homecoming the week before and waxed our collective arses. :redhot: Payback was a bia in 85 though. :hat:
JR
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CriTAUcal said:
Dang Liddell must have been a pup in 67. No wonder Doc snubbed him. He had to be fresh out of college when he had that job. Doc is 76 now so he is about 16 years older than Liddell and has been out of college (undergrad) since 1948.
Interesting piece of info, so the article was correct then.
JR
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SUtrp96 said:
Yep.......that was Carribean Queen by Billy Ocean. If I am not mistaken, I think my frat bro Kyle Turner played that solo. Maybe his LBs (Staggalee83 or Bengal E) that post on here can confirm that. Kyle is from Houston and stills performs out there professionally. He played for Luther Vandross back in the day. If you ever out in H-town you can catch him at the Skyy Bar. He is a bad man. I am jamming one of his CDs in my ride right now.
That 84 show was live. I have give Dowell Taylor some props for that one. They came with. From Carribean Queen to Don't stand another chance by Janet Jackson. This isht was funky. Yeah them trumpets were nice. The cats they had in that section , especially the 1st trumpets were just nasty. SU, JSU, TxSU and TnState kept trumpets back then. They didn't rebuild just reloaded. LOL.
SUtrp96
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JR said:
Yall boys came back hard in 85 with that "Imagination" the trumpets on there was OH MY LAWD!!!!...
How many trumpets was it that year.... From talking to Santa Cruz crab in 86 he say it was 38 trumpets in 86...They sounded like more than that... but the intro to "Imagination" in 85 sound like about 50 trumpets....
JR
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SUtrp96 said:Yall boys came back hard in 85 with that "Imagination" the trumpets on there was OH MY LAWD!!!!...
That Imagination by Al Jarreau was arranged by Eric Baskin. JSU had a tight arrangement to it as well. I still remember my LB Oops blowing the whistle for that start of that song on field. He would speed up the tempo on the whistle and we played it for the Dolls fast as hell. Faster than normal. That isht was funny as hell. I know sometimes they were probably like wtf. :scared:
In 85 we had those 42 t-bones and we had 36 trumpets. That was the year Roy Johnson and Eric Baskin decided we would have Super 1st trumpets which I was apart of to play in that upper registar. The trumpet players that came with me in 84 were bad to the bone. We were a dominant trumpet crab class and everybody came back in 85 plus we had a couple of old heads from 83 that missed 84 come back for their last rip in 85. Heck it was 5 of us trumpets on line for PSI that spring 85 before Fall 85. The 85 crab class was T-bone and lower brass heavy. But there was pretty good quality trumpet players in that class. Santa Cruz 's class in 86 was kind of like ours in 84 with folks like Leshawn Gary, Santa Cruz, Darrin Celestine , my home boy Ary Wright and a cat named Gadget to name a few.
LOL@us sounding like 50. We used to blow so much and so long till cats lips would swell or start bleeding from them splitting. Bruhs were pulling out the little green camphonique bottles for relief. LOL.
SUtrp96
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JR said:
I done heard so much about Leshawn Gary... Oops talk about them years all the time.....Do you remember Big Digallu(sp) bass drummer.... I had to laugh when he told me he crabbed in 83... Big as he was and the way 83 moved on that field was TOTALLY unbelievable....
We kept 38 all my years from 96-99 except 98 ..... I have footage of you all playing Black N Blue in 86 then in 87.....87 was the start of how it was played after......86 had a big band stage band sound....I have you all first game in 86 when DOC called everyone on the field...How many Mellos were there in the beginning.....the Mellos on "SWEET LOVE" was full as heck, sound they covered the field....
JR
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SUtrp96 said:
You are talking about Johnny aka... Big Dickaloo. Big SU and Saints fan. Yeah he crabbed in 83. I saw him with my LBs Oops and Branky this past season for the SU vs JSU game. Johnny was always fun. He was cool to us crabs in 84. Them big boys used to be moving in the Jukebox back in the day. I know you probably met my frat Big Boogie who played bass drum from the N.O. and Black Bobby who was Tuba section leader. I always felt like a little boy around all the big cats in the band. Some were just tall and built looking like they were about 30 years old. LOL.
Sweet Love was nice. Another Baskin arrangement. We had close to 16 mellos I believe. Plus we had huge baritone section. Only 1 other band blew Sweet love better than the Jukebox. FAMUs arrangement was
Since they had more instrumentation than us , their version was just beautiful. :bowdown:
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JR said:
Hey Homey, I saw Ary the last time I was in Jackson.....
You know, he thinks he's WHITE now.... :lmao:
But he could play da heyl outta dat trumpet , though (C'way '86)...
JR
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Taylor-Made'90 said:
LOL. Pretty boy Ary. I think he is in the ATL. He's like a Gigolo or something. :lmao:
Yeah I was his section leader when he first came to Callaway. Kind of my protege'. That's why he ended up at SU. He was definitely popular with the ladies. He and Ira Vaughn came on to SU fall 86. Of course Ira left during crab week and ended up at JSU.
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dacontinent said:
Everyone on this board knows what I mean when I say that an arrangement is written for power, so there is no need for me to change to any other word.
Furthermore, what people who have never taken time to observe Liddell'S band enough don't know is that the implementation of the marches was done soley because he wanted the band to go back to playing marches like Prof. Davis did when he was band director, as a matter of fact today's band has MORE marches in their book than Haughton or Taylors' bands EVER had.
Haughton and Taylor were good band directors, but let's not get carried away now.
JR said:
He finished up his musical education in jazz studies with us at Texas Southern this past year and a half. He teaches jazz band at Smiley (I think, unless he left) and yup, he's gigging as usual in Houston. He has a site too and the if the CD isn't out yet, it shouldn't be long. Dude was teaching us scale sheets right before we played "Teach Me Tonight". OMG dude is cold. :flippy:
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dacontinent
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Bandextraordinaire said:
I understand how the term POWER is being used. I just don't want us to lose what the power of music really is.
I certainly do appreciate Dr. Liddell's profusion of marches. Classic literature has to have a prominent place in our presentations if only for the purpose of demonstrating musical excellence and repertoire. My insistence is merely that we make those presentations WITH musical excellence.
Davis, Haughton, Taylor, and Liddell - all good directors. All knowledgable men with different specialties and areas of focus. I really am not particularly concerned about what the Boom plays as long as it makes music: technical dexterity, color, balance, dynamics, clarity. If you will not do it that way, I ask you to remove the uniform and put the instrument away.
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I played in the Boom during the Haughton years. Even though SU and Grambling were dancing wildly and getting a lot of crowd reaction, Mr Haughton required us to be disciplined, professional, and above the street antics of our opponents. I think a large portion of the band felt we
weren't doing all we could do to move the crowd, but that was
Haughton's way...he was a traditionalist and a conservative.
JSU has a long history of being the comparatively conservative
band, and that tradition continues today.
To put it bluntly we were like Marvin Gaye, compared to SU being like
a young Teddy Pendergrass (Marvin didn't yell...he didn't need to).
GSU was a middle-aged James Brown, all feet and funkiness.
weren't doing all we could do to move the crowd, but that was
Haughton's way...he was a traditionalist and a conservative.
JSU has a long history of being the comparatively conservative
band, and that tradition continues today.
To put it bluntly we were like Marvin Gaye, compared to SU being like
a young Teddy Pendergrass (Marvin didn't yell...he didn't need to).
GSU was a middle-aged James Brown, all feet and funkiness.
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I agree that Dr. Lewis Liddell has kept the Boom flowing in Jackson and they still have a great degree of respect around the nation. I don't see the dominance that I use to at halftime. I think the Boom has a power and balance that many bands need, but when you exit the field how many hearts did you take with you from the crowd.
The idea at halftime is to convince the crowd no matter whether you are in Baton Rouge-A.W. Mumford, Jackson-Miss Veterans, Memphis-Liberty Bowl, etc that you shined on their band. The idea at halftime is to bring it and a lot of times this is captured by your dance routine. I think it's time for Liddell and the Boom to get back to the business of taking over stadiums rather than just pleasing the crowds. Jackson State is definitely the most dangerous band in the swac when they are at 100%.
The idea at halftime is to convince the crowd no matter whether you are in Baton Rouge-A.W. Mumford, Jackson-Miss Veterans, Memphis-Liberty Bowl, etc that you shined on their band. The idea at halftime is to bring it and a lot of times this is captured by your dance routine. I think it's time for Liddell and the Boom to get back to the business of taking over stadiums rather than just pleasing the crowds. Jackson State is definitely the most dangerous band in the swac when they are at 100%.
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sportscaster said:
I agree. :tup:
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