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Troy fan support in Montgomery.

If you take your premise on Troy, you could kinda see what you are saying if Troy had 4-5K people in Montgomery for the game, but nobody comes to that game from Troy but the band! You don't think that's because of what I mentioned earlier?

And as for the ASU game, I was there and I didn't see all the black and gold revelers you speak of. I saw just as many if not more Troy State revelers, so that all sounds good coming from you, but having been to every game Troy plays against ASU in Montgomery and Troy and FAMU in Troy, what you are contending is dead wrong. If you was from FAMU I would say that, yes FAMU had more fans then Troy at the playoff game.

You covered everything except Troy fan perception of ASU and just plain lack of interest in going to Montgomery for a game. You say Troy travelled to Mobile. That's because it was FAMU and they have developed a great rivalry(short-lived) with FAMU (and they were still smarting from getting beat by FAMU in the playoffs). People in Troy (white people) had that game circled.

Lastly,,, whoever is talking about "the difference between the smack board and the this board",,,,,, this ain't smack, I simply disagree with everything coming out of ASUer's pie-holes and they disagree with me. We're having a lively debate just discussing in-state business. ain't no smack (at least not from me).
 
I SAID TROY DID NOT TRAVEL TO PLAY FAMU....CAN YOU READ!?!?!?! I need to find that pic of Troy's side of the stadium during halftime....it was a damn shame. And as for that "they already know they're gonna win the game" crap....you could've kept that. Troy doesn't travel ANYWHERE, and out of the SoCon they had almost the WORST attendance out of all the schools there. And im still waitin on the excuse as to why they didn't travel to any of their other games if they didn't "know they'd win them." :rolleyes: And even if that was the case, thats still a sad azz reason not to go to a game. Fact still remains that their attendance was, and still will be pathetic.
 



Re: Troy fan support in Montgomery.

Originally posted by Bartram

Lastly,,, whoever is talking about "the difference between the smack board and the this board",,,,,, this ain't smack, I simply disagree with everything coming out of ASUer's pie-holes and they disagree with me. We're having a lively debate just discussing in-state business. ain't no smack (at least not from me).
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And as for that statement, it would only be a debate if you had proof to back your statements. You can't PROVE they didn't go to any of their games because they "thought they would win", but I can surely prove that their attendance sucketh.
 
Mighty Dog: Can you confirm whether Watkins has paid for ALAMERICA promoting the 2002 SGG. I was told over the weekend that no money has been received by the conference office.
 
Unkown1, the records don't support your takes.

Unknown1, you and your ilk and myself have had some sporatic fire fights on this issue before, so now let's go to some standard that we can all look at that's beyond our own opinions, takes, experiences, what we saw,, etc.
reference the following:
NCAA attendance

First of all, in 1998, the numbers were as follows:

TSU ranked #11, ASU ranked #28. Edge? TSU.

TSU games 5, ASU games 4. Edge? We'll give that to ASU. (I'm assuming that refers to how many games stats were taken on.) Maybe they didn't capture one of your better attended games.

TSU tot att 84,955, ASU tot att 46,059. Edge? TSU. ok, i know, they didn't count the MCC? 38K people difference?

TSU ave att 16,991, ASU ave att 11,515. Edge? TSU,, "but not at de ASU game!" according to you.

TSU change in average from last year: UP, 8,091. ASU change in average from last year: UP, 1,825. Edge? TSU

1998 tally: TSU 4, ASU 1.


1999:
TSU ranked #19, ASU ranked #13. Edge? ASU.

TSU games 5, ASU games 6. Edge? We'll give that to TSU.

TSU tot att 73,125, ASU tot att 99,754. Edge? ASU. when did L.C. get there? (this must be the year you reference)

TSU ave att 14,625, ASU ave att 16,626. Edge? ASU, but ASU has one more game counted.

TSU change in average from last year: DN, -2,366. ASU change in average from last year: UP, 5,111. Edge? ASU
1999 tally: TSU 1, ASU 4


2000:
TSU ranked #9, ASU ranked #11. Edge? TSU.

TSU games 4, ASU games 3. Edge? We'll give that to ASU.

TSU tot att 70,357, ASU tot att 47,247. Edge? TSU.

TSU ave att 17,589, ASU ave att 15,749. Edge? TSU, i know, i know,, it's da white system padding TSU numbers.

TSU change in average from last year: UP, 2,964. ASU change in average from last year: DN, 877. Edge? TSU

2000 tally: TSU 4, ASU 1


2001:
TSU ranked #9, ASU ranked #16. Edge? TSU.

TSU games 5, ASU games 5. Edge? Push/tie.

TSU tot att 84,832, ASU tot att 68,670. Edge? TSU.

TSU ave att 16.966, ASU ave att 13,734. Edge? TSU, again, i know, i know,, it's da white system padding TSU numbers.

TSU change in average from last year: DN, 623. ASU change in average from last year: DN, 2,015. Edge? TSU.

2001 tally: TSU 4, ASU 0, Tie 1

2002, no data yet.

Ok my man, so lets just do a rough tally since 1998:
I count: TSU 13, ASU 6, Tie 1

Looking at these numbers and seeing that TSU does better in attendance and ave attendance number in 3 out of 4 years from 98 to 01, it seems that you are way out in left field blasting TSU's attendance when it is better than that of ASU's, unless you are
also saying that ASU's attendance is not spectacular either. Your characterization of TSU, though, doesn't seem
appropriate seeing as how they were in the top 10 two years, #11 and #19 in the other two during the 4 year stint of these records,, and ASU never made the top 10. This would further suggest that TSU fan not showing up in Montgomery or in Troy would be because of something other than lax fan support seeing as how their record of support over that 4 year period for which I can gather stats outpaces that of ASU except for one year. That's why I gave you the "theories" which I hear casually being around TSU fans.

For the most part, you have some credible takes,, but on this issue,, I don't think that's the case. If it was Southern, Jackson St, FAMU or perhaps NCA&T running the, "Troy has poor attendance" smack that you and your ilk run,, I could see their point,, but this coming from ASUers?????? I'm not buying it and you are simply wrong about TSU's attendance now that I have had a chance to look at the numbers for verification of gutt feelings and general feel of the area and takes from various fans and attending games in person. Now I know you and your ilk will come up with some bs like "they cookin' the TSU books",,, blah, blah, blah,,, but there's the numbers right there breh, so other than coming up with "the refs cheated",,, how can you blast TSU and dispute these numbers??? :confused:
 
Also Unknown1,,,

You right,, I can't prove TSU didn't turn out for ASU games (namely in Montgomery) for that reason, but I can employ deductive reasoning combined with over-hearing TSU fans in my day-to-day encounters working in Pike county AND even getting in arguments with them about why they don't attend games in Montgomery when ASU turns out for their games! Look, I'm from the area and I know ASU and TSU pretty good (not as good as people who went to school there, but good enough to have some good intel on some issues!)!!!

What the problem is with you people is that you think everything I say is some kind of "smack" because of the TU/ASU thing, but it's not that. I have always contended I would like to see ASU/TSU play because of the natural rivalry, the exposure for the area,, so on and so forth. It's YOU and your ilk that came up with all this mess about TSU poor attendance for whatever reason. I have my hunches why yall always run that mess, but I'll reserve commentary on that for now. But every time in the past I have said,, "hey, ASU vs TSU,,, GREAT MATCH-UP!!" it's you or your ilk that run the, "we don't needs to be supporting them and their numbers,, they don't attend their games",, blah, blah, fuggin blah.

Well,,, what da heck is that in the NCAA attendance records?? Is that non-attendance, non-traveling??? Yeah,, and you have the "bought tickets" but not real attendance thing huh??? well,,, that opportunity seems to be there for every school. Everybody can do that if they got the corporate and civic backing,,,,, which touches on other points I raised on this topic. So like you say,, we can't prove our own takes,,, but there is the NCAA records, my friend, that we can all look at.

Now,,, if you want to get into a debate on the "fairness" of the NCAA record,,, a conspiracy against HBCUs (which I can't see being as how 3 or 4 HBCUs best Troy State), et al stuff you can come up with to explain away these stats,, we can do that,, but don't give me this mess about TSU attendance,, unless you are saying ASU's is worse.
 
When did I EVER make a debate that ASU's attendance was better than TSU's? You're just going off on a whole different direction that was totally different than the initial point of the post. And for the record, NONE of ASU's classics were counted in those statistics. I mean if you're gonna do research, at least post the WHOLE thing. 38,000 for the MCC? With you being from Alabama, you should know better. And the Gulf Coast Classic? Man c'mon. I don't need to post a whole article to tell you TSU's fan support is horrible. And on top of that, even WITHOUT the classics, TSU obviously had more home games in those stats. :smh: And who in the hell said anything about a white thing against the HBCU's? LMAO @ all of that foolishness. You shouldn't have even wasted your time postin that. It'd be different if they had actually posted ASU's real total attendance on there, but you still don't even know who had higher attendance counting classics. :smh: This is sad. And on top of that, I believe my discussion was about TROY FANS TRAVELING, NOT TROY FANS ATTENDING HOME GAMES!!!!!!! Or did you miss that also? :rolleyes: Hell in that case I could post some Grambling home game attendance numbers, then say they have good fan attendance. That has absolutely 0 to do with whether or not they travel to their away games. :smh: Nowhere in my posts did I m ake it an ASU/TSU issue other than the one game where ASU takes more fans to Troy than Troy takes ANYWHERE. I'm done discussing this issue, next thing you know you'll be posting stats of black/white %'s at both schools....having nothing to do with the topic at all.
 
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I SAID TROY DID NOT TRAVEL TO PLAY FAMU....CAN YOU READ!?!?!?! I need to find that pic of Troy's side of the stadium during halftime....it was a damn shame. And as for that "they already know they're gonna win the game" crap....you could've kept that. Troy doesn't travel ANYWHERE, and out of the SoCon they had almost the WORST attendance out of all the schools there. And im still waitin on the excuse as to why they didn't travel to any of their other games if they didn't "know they'd win them." :rolleyes: And even if that was the case, thats still a sad azz reason not to go to a game. Fact still remains that their attendance was, and still will be pathetic.
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Is it just me, or was I talking about traveling to games in this post? :emlaugh:
 
yeah,,, I knew you would come up with something

Well,, just as long as you are not contending that ASU's attendance is any better than TSU's, then no problem.

When did I EVER make a debate that ASU's attendance was better than TSU's? You're just going off on a whole different direction that was totally different than the initial point of the post.

It's just that you sounded so high and mighty about ASU outdrawing TSU even during the ASU-TSU game; I found it odd you would blast TSU when your attendance is no better.

And for the record, NONE of ASU's classics were counted in those statistics. I mean if you're gonna do research, at least post the WHOLE thing. 38,000 for the MCC? With you being from Alabama, you should know better.

The insinuation was not that the MCC was just 38K, the point was I'm sure you'd bring that up, just as you did the classics, as a response.


And the Gulf Coast Classic? Man c'mon. I don't need to post a whole article to tell you TSU's fan support is horrible. And on top of that, even WITHOUT the classics, TSU obviously had more home games in those stats. And who in the hell said anything about a white thing against the HBCU's? LMAO @ all of that foolishness. You shouldn't have even wasted your time postin that.

It looks to me like they only took 4 or 5 games from BOTH schools, so your "obviously" gets no props. Look at what the records state. how the heck do you know what it was for either school? it says 4 or 5 games. Very plain.

It'd be different if they had actually posted ASU's real total attendance on there, but you still don't even know who had higher attendance counting classics. This is sad. And on top of that, I believe my discussion was about TROY FANS TRAVELING, NOT TROY FANS ATTENDING HOME GAMES!!!!!!! Or did you miss that also?

Well it seems all you can do is exactly what you blasted in your previous post; come up with some BS that's your word against mine! No, what was missed was me telling you that the reason they dont' come is because they know it's an automatic win. You discounted that. I gave you their average game stats that were not in favor of your reasoning. You obviously missed that.


Hell in that case I could post some Grambling home game attendance numbers, then say they have good fan attendance. That has absolutely 0 to do with whether or not they travel to their away games. Nowhere in my posts did I m ake it an ASU/TSU issue other than the one game where ASU takes more fans to Troy than Troy takes ANYWHERE. I'm done discussing this issue, next thing you know you'll be posting stats of black/white %'s at both schools....having nothing to do with the topic at all.

Straight-up hogwash. You get bent out of shape any time I say anything about ASU and TSU and the only thing you can come up with is "they dont' attend the game", then you blasted them on attendance in general over the coarse of these threads when we get on this topic. The records state otherwise. Now unless YOU want to start keeping the records and putting your what nots in there,,,, it looks to me that, as far as the NCAA record is concerned, your takes don't hold water,,, or Troy STate's attendance, at home or away, is good enough that they were in the TOP FREAKING 10 2 of the 4 years from 98 to 01! I fail to see how you call that poor fan support. the NCAA obviously doesn't.
 
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