Blacknbengal
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Did this president abstain from voting? Or did he not show up to the presidents meeting.
TxSU President to Lead NCAA Advisory Board on Limited Resource Institutions
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JayRob
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http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/TSU-regents-pick-Rudley-as-new-president-1561555.php
According to the above article, the current Texas Southern President was in office in 2008, meaning that he was President when the APR votes were put forth thus making him guilty of voting to ban two schools due to what he deems an unfair APR system.
If it was an unfair system back then Mr. President, why didn't you say this three years ago? Now you want to claim that the system isn't fair now that your school is under the gun? Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
According to the above article, the current Texas Southern President was in office in 2008, meaning that he was President when the APR votes were put forth thus making him guilty of voting to ban two schools due to what he deems an unfair APR system.
If it was an unfair system back then Mr. President, why didn't you say this three years ago? Now you want to claim that the system isn't fair now that your school is under the gun? Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
C-LeB28
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Wait, that article referred to two presidents; which one are you referring to? Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
southsuburbs
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Basically!! :tup:
That's probably why there weren't more comments as Da Sleeper pointed out. B/c most folks knew this was bullshyt.
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East Tex Tiger
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Rudley is not asking for Texas Southern, he is asking for all limited resource school. Rudley is an accountant and he knows how much money it has taken to fix Texas Southern APR problem.
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JSUDMJ2004
JSU enuff said!
I feel no remorse for any school with APR issues..As much as SU and mainly JSU were dogged and talked about around here for having APR problems...I hope whoever has them next feels it from the NCAA every man for himself now...Best Wishes pretty much!
Wow this thread really turned into this? SMH
Rudley was ASKED to lead an NCAA Advisory Board to represent ALL Limited Resource Institutions, not just Texas Southern. He and Charles had quantitative and qualitative data to explain the problem on our campus specifically, which is why I am sure he was asked by the NCAA to work on behalf of the majority of HBCUs.
Since he arrived at TSU in 2008, increasing the graduation rates of the student body and the athletes were a top priority. This has nothing to do with the SWAC vote that took place in 2011, especially since prior to that vote he knew we were next on the APR chopping block (despite our numbers drastically improving from 2009-2012). Many of the TSU people on this board knew that when the vote occurred in 2011. You guys are truly trying to making something out of nothing with this one.
Herbert77060
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JayRob
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TSUgirl, I understand and applaud your attempt in trying to speak up for your President. That's very admirable, however I beg to differ with your post.
My question is, where was this concern for JSU and SU when it came time for him to vote? As a I recall, JSU's President Myers stood before ALL of the Presidents to plead her case on why JSU shouldn't be penalized. Quite a bit of that had to do with the disparity in funding between HBCU's and major conferences and how that funding indirectly/directly affected one's APR status.
Where was this concern from TSU's President when Dr. Myers requested leniency from her fellow colleagues? There was none. Not one time did the TSU President mention anything about quantitative and qualitative stats to support President Myers. Instead, he disregarded her plea and voted to penalize JSU inspite of the fact that our APR numbers were almost 100 points higher than Texas Southern's.
Directly, this may have nothing to do with the SWAC vote, but indirectly it has a lot to do with it. The Tex Southern President is trying to plead his school's APR case after he was guilty of penalizing schools for the same APR issues he's now trying to defend them with. Can you spell oxymoron? Did he bother to mention this tidbit of information BEFORE the NCAA chose him to lead this supposed investigation? Did it occur to him that he made a giant error in banning schools for APR issues he's now fighting against? I certainly hope so, and I certainly hope that he's mature enough to admit that he was wrong.
JayRob
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jaglife, why not call it hypocrisy? The ban had APR written all over it. Besides, the NCAA didn't ban JSU and SU from playing in the SCG. The SWAC Presidents did this of their own volition, and why? Because of APR issues and nothing more.
Blacknbengal
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But he voted to ban us and SU. Now he wants to cry wolf and fowl? Where was his cries back then?
Blacknbengal
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Hypocrites!!!! Hypocrites, I say!!!!!! He knew he was in the wrong, but chose to ban us anyway. Even when he knew his house was not in order. Now we suppose to "applaud" him for being "chosen" to lead this committee? The blood on his hands should have made him feel guilty enough to respectfully decline to lead this committee. But that is what hypocrites do.
FAMU CLIFF
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My issue would be the possible confusion with the more recent TSU athletic issues being cited as caused by limited resources, with the implication we all have similar integrity issues.
Potentially right message, potentially wrong messenger.
Potentially right message, potentially wrong messenger.
southsuburbs
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A certain school just think it was a issue with them and them only. They still bringing this crap up.....
They just reaffirmed the issue and showed that the SCG is a game played in the post season.
Get over it......
The NCAA banned us from the postseason. The SWAC just defined the SCG as their version of a postseason game and made it a rule that no one under NCAA ban can play in the SCG. Regardless, JSU wouldn'thave made the SC that year anyway.
It is not hypocracy when your school was about to be under the same type of ban and you knew it.
Jay Rob fair statement and valid points. As for Rudley’s response to Myers plea and discussing our datasets, I have no idea. Very good question though. Honestly, I would have loved to be in that room to hear the discussion. However, again, trust me when I say that when that vote occurred Rudley and Charles already knew that we were next. Therefore, he knew that we were going to be held accountable to the outcome of the vote as well, and rightfully so. This is key and what I think people are failing to realize here.
I was fairly new to the board when this happened, but here is the question I have always had about the APR “ban vote” debate – If the SWAC Presidents would have voted to allow JSU and SU to participate in the SWAC Championship that year, what would that have said to the larger population about our academic priorities? Yes most, if not all, of our APR issues are related to a disparity in resources. Yes I recognize that at the time of the vote TSU’s APR was worse than JSUs. However, since the 2011 vote occurred prior to the LRI discussion actually gained some weight/legitimacy, a vote to allow teams that were “perceived” to be progressing unsatisfactorily participate in conference championships would have been a slap in the face to the NCAA and a number of outside entities would have tried to crucify the SWAC. Do you not agree?
I am not saying that I agreed with JSU and SU being banned at the time, but in hindsight I think it was actually a strategic move (at least I am hoping our COP were thinking in that manner) Sometimes you have to pick your battles and think long-term, rather than right now. If the SWAC COP would have voted to allow JSU and SU to be eligible in 2011, I seriously doubt the NCAA would have even listened to any LRI claims and waved it off because in their eyes we would have misplaced our priorities and essentially circumvented their rules concerning APR and post-season bans (even though the SWAC Championship game does not fall under their domain). From the supposed leeway that the initial discussions from this committee have produced (additional funding from the NCAA to help with academic resources, different APR scoring rubrics for LRI institutions), I do not think that would have occurred for any of our institutions, if that vote had gone differently.
Those issues weren't necessarily recent nor were they caused by limited resources, unless you consider coaches cheating and not getting caught in time a limited resource issue.
Thank you!
southsuburbs
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I think if the SWAC Presidents would have voted to allow JSU and SU to participate in the SWAC Championship that year it would have said the same thing Dr. Meyers said then and Dr. Rudley is saying now...about "...the disparity in funding between HBCU's and major conferences and how that funding indirectly/directly affected one's APR status."
Why vote for something if you don't agree with it!? They knew it was wrong...why continue to follow something that doesn't make sense?
Blankman2k5
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Wasn't that the year We were in a tie with JSU and ASU for 1st in the east? I am pretty sure it was because after we lost to JSU the crowd was dejected... 10 minutes later we were celebrating because ASU lost (I believe it was to SU) so we were going to the SCG. Had the ban not been in effect, JSU would have gone 9-2 (if memory serves), won the tie breaker and gone on to the SCG. So in my opinion they have a 2nd reason to be pissed off...
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