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jukebox89 said:
I am not holding out. I don't have a single photo of me in uniform. Ho-frat-Ho video, can't find. Senior Bowl 92 was a thunderstorm and during the mardi gras season, I was pledging and taking pictures were not on my mind.
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Who has a copy of that Ho-Frat-Ho video? I remember being in the editing room when a couple of cats in the Mass Comm Dept was editing their footage of the video. I had a copy (with the massage scenes) and lost it.
 
Jax said:
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Who has a copy of that Ho-Frat-Ho video? I remember being in the editing room when a couple of cats in the Mass Comm Dept was editing their footage of the video. I had a copy (with the massage scenes) and lost it.
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I have it!
 



jukebox89 said:
I am not holding out. I don't have a single photo of me in uniform. Ho-frat-Ho video, can't find. Senior Bowl 92 was a thunderstorm and during the mardi gras season, I was pledging and taking pictures were not on my mind.
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You was the DM on the Ho-Frat-Ho video?
 
SUtrp96 said:
lol...I do have a better tape of that.... Much clearer... On the break you don't really hear the Fhorns that good.. but on my tape same performance cause I have both (I have that footage too).. Anywho, on the break the fhorns have this sound that covers the whole dayum stadium.. you can kind of hear it on that tape.... but they had to have over 20 mellos... Not discrediting this years mellos, because their number were changing threw out the season.. but that is how 20 + mellos are supposed to sound... You would have to hear the clearer tape of that to hear what I am talking about...

My padna Herk was a crab on snare that year (86)... That was the first game of the season in Shreveport, that was after the drill, they brought the whole band on the field, I believe the annoucer said it was 230....They ran like 4 or 5 songs in that formation, talk about SOUND!!!!!! And fromn what I was told by 86 crabs and 83 crabs, they was not satisfied with the sound at THAT point with what is on that clip.. I was like are them 83 cats crazy?!?!?! But after I watched 83 clips I saw where they was coming from.. Put it like this 83 marched 128 on the field... If I had to compare...86 should have had a few more watts to to satisfy what 83 was putting out with on 128...
But then again that was a different time.. Because I never heard nor saw another 128 or bigger from SU that could touch 83....
And the 83 cats always talking about 78.. That's the band I really want to hear....:tup: Because if you hear 93 and hear how they lower themselves to 78... 78 had to have been some Jurasic Park shat because 83 was UNREAL!!!!

Oh yeah, I believe Randy Jackson played T-bone.... One of my close friends that was Juke 2 years after me father and uncle march with them cats. His father or uncle was Band Captain in 79 I believe.... Jeff Reese and his brother can't remember his name...

Any of you Jukes remember marching with Eric Jones?... This cat talk like he was the man of all men in the S back in the early mid and even late 70's....lol He cool people...
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Yes, the mellos along with the other sections were bring natural smoke. JR & my crab brother and our Line Brother with Big Thunder, Trell was section leader and he had some horses to work with. I didn't recall 20 of them (JR probably can remember more clearly). I was thinking we had either 12 or 16 with that setup, as we did with Baritone. Doc didn't believe in having no more of those than he needed to be impressive. He rather have them on trumpet or trombone, respectively.

There was the optimum number for the Isaac Greggs system, 192 on the field. The 230 sounds more like what was in uniform in the stands. What impressed you was the creme' de la creme'. What didn't please us (internally) was that we saw and could tell by the lack of sound coming back to us on the last note, that this 192 was producing a sound that was less impactful than than the 128. We had already expected it would be that way or that it would get sloppy later in the year, because more of the reserves were drummers. Thus, there wasn't much of any compettion to keep those on the field pushed to retain a spot. So, you witnessed the only 192 on the field under Doc and beyond him, because we immediately went to 160 the following week and it was back on like donkey cone. Though the 160 caused us to extend our drills a little longer to move the extra line (5th line), we brought pure smoke after that. If I recall correctly, this was also the year that we got the drum contract through that hella percussionist that use to be in the Juke and we went to 8 Cymbals (instead of 4) on the field. They went to the large cymbals at that time (heavier and a lot more sound).

Not only was sound a premimum with the Juke, but dynamics. There was plenty of feelings in the music. I use to tell the boys that a hella singer can make their sound as though they are playing an instrument; Hella musicians make their insturments sound like it is singing. So, when you carried the melody, it sounded like you were doing just that. If you were playing the guitar lick, it sounded like that and not like the trombone, sax, etc... If you had the background vocals, it sounded like the background singers. If you had the synthezier/keyboard part, you sounded like that and supported the song with cordal structure. Every section with the exaception of the 4 clarinets, could carry a seperate part in the song and still be heard and compliment or enhance the song. There was depth and deminsion in the arrangements and that was also in each section and it was all heard, on and off the field. Yes, we joked with the saxs about having to look so smooth when they were DRIVING on the field because they couldn't be heard and had to be seen. But, that was all it was, a joke. Because, you heard them. If anyone has us blowing "You Brought The Sunshine" by the Clark Sisters, I think it is the guitar lick (the short dotted 8th note followed by a 16th note) was all them and that was the groove of the song along with the keyboard chords played mostly by tromebones and tubas.

Peace...
 
ZNSPR8502 said:
Yes, the mellos along with the other sections were bring natural smoke. JR & my crab brother and our Line Brother with Big Thunder, Trell was section leader and he had some horses to work with. I didn't recall 20 of them (JR probably can remember more clearly). I was thinking we had either 12 or 16 with that setup, as we did with Baritone. Doc didn't believe in having no more of those than he needed to be impressive. He rather have them on trumpet or trombone, respectively.

There was the optimum number for the Isaac Greggs system, 192 on the field. The 230 sounds more like what was in uniform in the stands. What impressed you was the creme' de la creme'. What didn't please us (internally) was that we saw and could tell by the lack of sound coming back to us on the last note, that this 192 was producing a sound that was less impactful than than the 128. We had already expected it would be that way or that it would get sloppy later in the year, because more of the reserves were drummers. Thus, there wasn't much of any compettion to keep those on the field pushed to retain a spot. So, you witnessed the only 192 on the field under Doc and beyond him, because we immediately went to 160 the following week and it was back on like donkey cone. Though the 160 caused us to extend our drills a little longer to move the extra line (5th line), we brought pure smoke after that. If I recall correctly, this was also the year that we got the drum contract through that hella percussionist that use to be in the Juke and we went to 8 Cymbals (instead of 4) on the field. They went to the large cymbals at that time (heavier and a lot more sound).

Not only was sound a premimum with the Juke, but dynamics. There was plenty of feelings in the music. I use to tell the boys that a hella singer can make their sound as though they are playing an instrument; Hella musicians make their insturments sound like it is singing. So, when you carried the melody, it sounded like you were doing just that. If you were playing the guitar lick, it sounded like that and not like the trombone, sax, etc... If you had the background vocals, it sounded like the background singers. If you had the synthezier/keyboard part, you sounded like that and supported the song with cordal structure. Every section with the exaception of the 4 clarinets, could carry a seperate part in the song and still be heard and compliment or enhance the song. There was depth and deminsion in the arrangements and that was also in each section and it was all heard, on and off the field. Yes, we joked with the saxs about having to look so smooth when they were DRIVING on the field because they couldn't be heard and had to be seen. But, that was all it was, a joke. Because, you heard them. If anyone has us blowing "You Brought The Sunshine" by the Clark Sisters, I think it is the guitar lick (the short dotted 8th note followed by a 16th note) was all them and that was the groove of the song along with the keyboard chords played mostly by tromebones and tubas.

Peace...
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That philosophy is what I studied from the tapes back in those days.. I never needed anyone to tell me because I heard all what you are saying each time you all played... my CBs and I all were heavy SU heads that paid close attention to that.. That's why I have a problem when I hear some of the younger cats talking about are letting OTHER outside folk tell them they are cleaner than the past bands..... Playing notes short and and cutting off is EASY!!! Playing with style, imitating the track that you are playing is the challenge... First the arrangement has to be on point, than it's all up to the members to make it happen...

I totally agree with that concept of playing.... I really smh when I hear folk talk about this playing clean foolishness.. For high schoolers that don't know how to control their sound that is needed but in college you should be able to SING the song.... That is what makes the CROWD FEEL it......
 
SUtrp96 said:
That philosophy is what I studied from the tapes back in those days.. I never needed anyone to tell me because I heard all what you are saying each time you all played... my CBs and I all were heavy SU heads that paid close attention to that.. That's why I have a problem when I hear some of the younger cats talking about are letting OTHER outside folk tell them they are cleaner than the past bands..... Playing notes short and and cutting off is EASY!!! Playing with style, imitating the track that you are playing is the challenge... First the arrangement has to be on point, than it's all up to the members to make it happen...

I totally agree with that concept of playing.... I really smh when I hear folk talk about this playing clean foolishness.. For high schoolers that don't know how to control their sound that is needed but in college you should be able to SING the song.... That is what makes the CROWD FEEL it......
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Truth be told, once that is something that you experience, it becomes the only way that sounds correct to you. It is so hard to explain, but it is so addictive to a true muscian when they a fortunate enough to be in the mix with that interpretation of music.

I've heard other bands (high school and college, all of the nation) play songs that were written in the '80s that are currently being discussed. I've occassionally mentioned to my wife, momof2ym, that the song being played is the SU version played in stated year arranged my stated director. At first, she would be like, "that don't sound like the same song". I'd be, you're right. They are trying to play what is written and they don't understand how to interpret it to play with the feelings of the song, the mode of the song, the message of the song.

Back in the day, it was always cool to hear the variety in the styles, especially when we had the same song. To hear, SU's Torture in comparison to TxSU's, or TnSU's or JSU's, was really cool. We truely all had our on style's and you could honestly say for those of us that were kickin' butt that they all were between good to excellent. Some where more Jazzy or Bluesy or Funky or Gospelly than others. I'm really starting to get tired of most of today's bands playing the same ole' songs and copying the arrangement as much as possible. Originality and various interpretations make it all cool and insightful. Music is like basketball in that there are many ways to full court press. If performed correctly, they are all impressive and can leave you in awh! That keeps everyone excited and on their toes. When your band looks like, tries to sound like and your dancers look like and try to dance like another band, we get the NFL - same stuff every game.

Opps... I think I may have strayed off topic. My bad...

I wish we had clips from the 70's and early early 80s. Stuff was surely off the chain back then. Those cats practiced all kinds of hours and music was really treasured by our people in those days. As the 80s moved on, music became more and more less of a valued treaure in our communities. Thus the volume of high quality musicians started dropping. Thus, it becomes harder and harder to have a band with a majority of bandsmen that are there because they love the craft of bands rather than the fund or scholarships of the activity. As an adult society, we have to do what we can to encourage our youth to take an interest in playing music again. That was the thrust of Prince's last tour. He was encouraging adults to bring kids to the concert with them, so he could expose them to music, bands, instruments, true performance, etc...

Peace...
 
Originally Posted by SUtrp96:Any of you Jukes remember marching with Eric Jones?... This cat talk like he was the man of all men in the S back in the early mid and even late 70's....lol He cool people...

Find out what horn he played..I remember that name..

LOL,,and you guys did,,,pick up your feet,drive and blow...I loved singing that,we would have the west side sing it...
 
Originally Posted by ZNSPR8502:I wish we had clips from the 70's

Me 2...All I have is my year books...
BTW,if you have the 1979 year book,look on page 193...The guy flying high would be me..:nod: :winkgrin:
 
OnlySU said:
Originally Posted by SUtrp96:Any of you Jukes remember marching with Eric Jones?... This cat talk like he was the man of all men in the S back in the early mid and even late 70's....lol He cool people...

Find out what horn he played..I remember that name..

LOL,,and you guys did,,,pick up your feet,drive and blow...I loved singing that,we would have the west side sing it...
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If you get tired then blow some more....

Now thats old school. I don't think none of that stuff gets taught anymore.

You gotta gotta gotta drive........drive. We used to march from Mumford and come the long way between TT Allain and the Engineering after practicing on the field. That area is blocked off now. The horses would be on us crabs to dig deep and keep on driving. It aint nothing like marching in the "S"
 
JR said:
If you get tired then blow some more....

Now thats old school. I don't think none of that stuff gets taught anymore.

You gotta gotta gotta drive........drive. We used to march from Mumford and come the long way between TT Allain and the Engineering after practicing on the field. That area is blocked off now. The horses would be on us crabs to dig deep and keep on driving. It aint nothing like marching in the "S"
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Now thats something we never did..March to and/or from the practice field..:no:
 
OnlySU said:
Now thats something we never did..March to and/or from the practice field..:no:
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We didn't do it very often. I remember it being primarily my crab year. I think the band staff.....Band captain....Drum Major and such got the band to it. Usually it got everybody hyped up. We had some unique characters that were upperclassment back in 84. My LB ZN can vouch for folks like Alonzo Morgan who was about 6-4 and black as midnight playing trumpet.....I often laugh a little bit at the band now. They seem small. We had some tall and not skinny folks back in the day. So real big dudes. Hell we even had a clarinet player (Electro) who about 6-4. Anyway them cats always were hyped up. Never a dull moment.
 
OnlySU said:
Now thats something we never did..March to and/or from the practice field..:no:
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We did it everyday until about the 4th game of the season, we were conditioned like a mofo. Thats what kills me about these other bands who used to say, "yall were tired, yall left early, etc..." . We could have played all night and marched the show 50 times, because thats what we did everyday. There were song that we practiced every other day and never play. Nobody had a book like the Jukebox.
 
OnlySU said:
Originally Posted by ZNSPR8502:I wish we had clips from the 70's

Me 2...All I have is my year books...
BTW,if you have the 1979 year book,look on page 193...The guy flying high would be me..:nod: :winkgrin:
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lol, that's you? I had that year book.. I believe my Cb has it now... But I remember that....
 
ZNSPR8502 said:
Truth be told, once that is something that you experience, it becomes the only way that sounds correct to you. It is so hard to explain, but it is so addictive to a true muscian when they a fortunate enough to be in the mix with that interpretation of music.

I've heard other bands (high school and college, all of the nation) play songs that were written in the '80s that are currently being discussed. I've occassionally mentioned to my wife, momof2ym, that the song being played is the SU version played in stated year arranged my stated director. At first, she would be like, "that don't sound like the same song". I'd be, you're right. They are trying to play what is written and they don't understand how to interpret it to play with the feelings of the song, the mode of the song, the message of the song.

Back in the day, it was always cool to hear the variety in the styles, especially when we had the same song. To hear, SU's Torture in comparison to TxSU's, or TnSU's or JSU's, was really cool. We truely all had our on style's and you could honestly say for those of us that were kickin' butt that they all were between good to excellent. Some where more Jazzy or Bluesy or Funky or Gospelly than others. I'm really starting to get tired of most of today's bands playing the same ole' songs and copying the arrangement as much as possible. Originality and various interpretations make it all cool and insightful. Music is like basketball in that there are many ways to full court press. If performed correctly, they are all impressive and can leave you in awh! That keeps everyone excited and on their toes. When your band looks like, tries to sound like and your dancers look like and try to dance like another band, we get the NFL - same stuff every game.

Opps... I think I may have strayed off topic. My bad...

I wish we had clips from the 70's and early early 80s. Stuff was surely off the chain back then. Those cats practiced all kinds of hours and music was really treasured by our people in those days. As the 80s moved on, music became more and more less of a valued treaure in our communities. Thus the volume of high quality musicians started dropping. Thus, it becomes harder and harder to have a band with a majority of bandsmen that are there because they love the craft of bands rather than the fund or scholarships of the activity. As an adult society, we have to do what we can to encourage our youth to take an interest in playing music again. That was the thrust of Prince's last tour. He was encouraging adults to bring kids to the concert with them, so he could expose them to music, bands, instruments, true performance, etc...

Peace...
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Trust me I understand.. I crabbed in 96... That year did a pretty good job of bringing feeling to the music.... But we did that only because we knew our history... We didn't just play what was on the paper.. It's hard to ask other arrangers that may pass out a piece of music another arranger may have written and interpret it the exact same way the original arranger did it.... That's where the students are supposed to step in if you ask me....

Everytime we got a song from yall era.. that same night we pull out a tape of you all playing it and did our best to bring the same messege you all brought...


You are dayum right.. that why I am very critical when I hear bands..... I am used to it being done the way you all mastered and the way we did our best to imulate it's hard for me to accept anything else... But the kids have to get back to being real band head, UPPERCLASSMEN and watch tapes.... Listen to what the other bands did under the original arrangement and immulate it... I mean why not, it's the same band program... The way I saw it was.. those before me is the reason why I went there, so why would I want to do anything different... Sadly some of the classes after me had alot of freshman who really didn't study SU the way many before them did....

But the program is so strong it still run great with those hold backs.. and honestly only real jukebox members would notice what the difference is... And if anybody outside of SU notice the difference that will prove that they are one of our biggest fans....lol
 



OnlySU said:
Originally Posted by SUtrp96:Any of you Jukes remember marching with Eric Jones?... This cat talk like he was the man of all men in the S back in the early mid and even late 70's....lol He cool people...

Find out what horn he played..I remember that name..

LOL,,and you guys did,,,pick up your feet,drive and blow...I loved singing that,we would have the west side sing it...
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He played Tenor Drum I believe.... You marched with Herb (Jug Head) too didn't you? I think he was a band captain one year...
 
SUtrp96 said:
Trust me I understand.. I crabbed in 96... That year did a pretty good job of bringing feeling to the music.... But we did that only because we knew our history... We didn't just play what was on the paper.. It's hard to ask other arrangers that may pass out a piece of music another arranger may have written and interpret it the exact same way the original arranger did it.... That's where the students are supposed to step in if you ask me....

Everytime we got a song from yall era.. that same night we pull out a tape of you all playing it and did our best to bring the same messege you all brought...


You are dayum right.. that why I am very critical when I hear bands..... I am used to it being done the way you all mastered and the way we did our best to imulate it's hard for me to accept anything else... But the kids have to get back to being real band head, UPPERCLASSMEN and watch tapes.... Listen to what the other bands did under the original arrangement and immulate it... I mean why not, it's the same band program... The way I saw it was.. those before me is the reason why I went there, so why would I want to do anything different... Sadly some of the classes after me had alot of freshman who really didn't study SU the way many before them did....

But the program is so strong it still run great with those hold backs.. and honestly only real jukebox members would notice what the difference is... And if anybody outside of SU notice the difference that will prove that they are one of our biggest fans....lol
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You know I have to agree with you on the freshmen not studying SU before they come. I also think the lack of the New Orleans influence in the recent bands is evident. I can remember when 50% or more of the Jukebox were from the city as they called it. It really added some of the style SU has cultivated over the years. Now I see more kids from all over compared to maybe 10 to 15 years ago. I know one year I asked my frat bro D. Hilliard who was instructing the drummers, how many in the funk factory were from the N.O. and he said only 1 that had a drum and another on reserve. I had never heard such a think before. I guess time changes. We always had cats from Memphis, Houston, Ms, Mobile, Florida, and some from Detroit and Chicago. Usually Houston was the big out of state group and then us from Ms followed by the Florida cats. But the N.O. cats could have had their own band within the band. LOL. We had very few Baton Rouge cats then. So back to your point. I wonder since the Juke was full of New Orleans cats......they may have been more likely to have studied the Juke and not only that......come from HS programs that were Juke influenced by their SU grad band directors. I would love to know the make up of the last few years of the band. Sounds like the N.O was still representing when you got there.
 
OnlySU said:
Originally Posted by SUtrp96:Any of you Jukes remember marching with Eric Jones?... This cat talk like he was the man of all men in the S back in the early mid and even late 70's....lol He cool people...

Find out what horn he played..I remember that name..

LOL,,and you guys did,,,pick up your feet,drive and blow...I loved singing that,we would have the west side sing it...
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We use to also sing the along with the cadence "Drive":

You got to got to DRIVE!
DRIVE!
DRIVE!
DRIVE!
DRIVE!
DRIVE!
DRIVE!

Man, those cymbals would come in crashing high and swooping low, saying ladies and gentlemen, stand to your feet, the Southern University Human Jukebox has arrived.

I recalled in high school my high school director, Randolph Johnson, telling me after I had decided I was going to go to SU how special the feeling of coming into Mumford for the first home game. Man, we hit that gate and the entire stadium was on its feet hollaring, full of excitement... It was like now we can play football. The Jukebox has arrived. That made all of the crabbing we had gone through worth it. We already knew it was something special to earn the right to wear the 'S', but now we had SOME idea of just how special this was going to be. Yes, the fans could actually hear the band saying the chants and would join in with us. Others cadences that they would join in with us and all but take over were: "Southern is the best band in the land. Southern is the best band in the land" and the "Ay Oh!" cadence. They feed off of the Juke and that real SU Spirit feeled the air once that connection was established each game.

Peace...
 
OnlySU said:
Now thats something we never did..March to and/or from the practice field..:no:
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I'm glad you said that. I thought that came with Doc and his Lab class (Roy and crew) when he became director and continued through our era (middle to late '80s). I know I recall seeing them do it in the early 80s (81 & 82) when Danky was drum major (while I was like a HS Sophomore/Junior). As with us, I didn't see them do it everytime we came to BR for runs (to pickup Krispy Kreme donuts to sell as a fundraiser, to see Doc at SU, Knighten at the Lab, or to visit his brother Roy). I think I had the vibe that they did it early in the year for additional conditioning, build repoire with the student body because it would cause the crowd to follow, and to get some additional playing of the repoire while marching. But, it never was stated. It just happened. So perhaps, a Band Captain like Doc Paulin or somebody started it in the early 80s or late 70s. But, as JR stated, it didn't happen all of the time. I recall doing it at least once during homecoming week also...

Peace...
 
SUtrp96 said:
Trust me I understand.. I crabbed in 96... That year did a pretty good job of bringing feeling to the music.... But we did that only because we knew our history... We didn't just play what was on the paper.. It's hard to ask other arrangers that may pass out a piece of music another arranger may have written and interpret it the exact same way the original arranger did it.... That's where the students are supposed to step in if you ask me....

Everytime we got a song from yall era.. that same night we pull out a tape of you all playing it and did our best to bring the same messege you all brought...


You are dayum right.. that why I am very critical when I hear bands..... I am used to it being done the way you all mastered and the way we did our best to imulate it's hard for me to accept anything else... But the kids have to get back to being real band head, UPPERCLASSMEN and watch tapes.... Listen to what the other bands did under the original arrangement and immulate it... I mean why not, it's the same band program... The way I saw it was.. those before me is the reason why I went there, so why would I want to do anything different... Sadly some of the classes after me had alot of freshman who really didn't study SU the way many before them did....

But the program is so strong it still run great with those hold backs.. and honestly only real jukebox members would notice what the difference is... And if anybody outside of SU notice the difference that will prove that they are one of our biggest fans....lol
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say ya'll didn't do what I'm saying we did.

It is enlighting to know that ya'll pulled those tapes and looked/listened to how it was originally done. I only wish we could have done the same with '70s footage,which was most like on reel, if Doc would even been able to put his hands on it for us to watch. So, I guess that is why we listened to those cats so intently.

Peace...
 
JR said:
You know I have to agree with you on the freshmen not studying SU before they come. I also think the lack of the New Orleans influence in the recent bands is evident. I can remember when 50% or more of the Jukebox were from the city as they called it. It really added some of the style SU has cultivated over the years. Now I see more kids from all over compared to maybe 10 to 15 years ago. I know one year I asked my frat bro D. Hilliard who was instructing the drummers, how many in the funk factory were from the N.O. and he said only 1 that had a drum and another on reserve. I had never heard such a think before. I guess time changes. We always had cats from Memphis, Houston, Ms, Mobile, Florida, and some from Detroit and Chicago. Usually Houston was the big out of state group and then us from Ms followed by the Florida cats. But the N.O. cats could have had their own band within the band. LOL. We had very few Baton Rouge cats then. So back to your point. I wonder since the Juke was full of New Orleans cats......they may have been more likely to have studied the Juke and not only that......come from HS programs that were Juke influenced by their SU grad band directors. I would love to know the make up of the last few years of the band. Sounds like the N.O was still representing when you got there.
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Yeah, those NOs cats were heavy influence on the SU sound. I know I listened intently to some of the style that is common in their 2nd Line style of playing and gigging and I went to the woodshed behind the scenes to learn how to do some of that stuff. It was a mix of jazz, blues and gospel sound. But, it was more than that. As with gumbo, it was not just a collection of various styles, but it became its on style-New Orleans music. In an of that, those cats brought that to SU and SU blended that into Doc's style and we got the Jukebox's sound and style.

Admissions standards verses open enrollment, greatly impacted that population. In addition to that, the state opened things up so much to its in-state students and unfortunately a lot of the kids that would have chosen SU or GSU started chosing LSU, SE, Nichols, USL, NW, McNeese, etc... instead. I heard from some that schools like JSU and TxSU turned up their recruiting in NOs and guaranteed scholarships, unlike Doc who made you come and make the band before telling you exactly what your scholarship would be.

Peace...
 
JR said:
You know I have to agree with you on the freshmen not studying SU before they come. I also think the lack of the New Orleans influence in the recent bands is evident. I can remember when 50% or more of the Jukebox were from the city as they called it. It really added some of the style SU has cultivated over the years. Now I see more kids from all over compared to maybe 10 to 15 years ago. I know one year I asked my frat bro D. Hilliard who was instructing the drummers, how many in the funk factory were from the N.O. and he said only 1 that had a drum and another on reserve. I had never heard such a think before. I guess time changes. We always had cats from Memphis, Houston, Ms, Mobile, Florida, and some from Detroit and Chicago. Usually Houston was the big out of state group and then us from Ms followed by the Florida cats. But the N.O. cats could have had their own band within the band. LOL. We had very few Baton Rouge cats then. So back to your point. I wonder since the Juke was full of New Orleans cats......they may have been more likely to have studied the Juke and not only that......come from HS programs that were Juke influenced by their SU grad band directors. I would love to know the make up of the last few years of the band. Sounds like the N.O was still representing when you got there.
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New Orleans number started droppin my last year in 99... But the drive and influence was still there from the out of town folk that adopted out style of play.. But it started going away after that....It was still SU non the less but to former jukeman it was a noticable difference... Still a sound you could be proud of, but kind of let other bands think they had a chance....if you know what I am talking about....lol

But 96 was had over 70 folks from New Orleans, same as in 97.... 98 we dropped to about 55 or 60 which was a respectable amount...

From what I know of the last 3 bands 04 - 06 they may have added a bit more New Orleans folk.. But 04 crabs I know personally BUSTED their arse to study the OLD SU.... Which gave off a nice product.....05 and 06 the driving force had a bit to do with numbers..... and an upperclassmen bad vowing to do better thean the previous years...
 
ZNSPR8502 said:
Yeah, those NOs cats were heavy influence on the SU sound. I know I listened intently to some of the style that is common in their 2nd Line style of playing and gigging and I went to the woodshed behind the scenes to learn how to do some of that stuff. It was a mix of jazz, blues and gospel sound. But, it was more than that. As with gumbo, it was not just a collection of various styles, but it became its on style-New Orleans music. In an of that, those cats brought that to SU and SU blended that into Doc's style and we got the Jukebox's sound and style.

Admissions standards verses open enrollment, greatly impacted that population. In addition to that, the state opened things up so much to its in-state students and unfortunately a lot of the kids that would have chosen SU or GSU started chosing LSU, SE, Nichols, USL, NW, McNeese, etc... instead. I heard from some that schools like JSU and TxSU turned up their recruiting in NOs and guaranteed scholarships, unlike Doc who made you come and make the band before telling you exactly what your scholarship would be.

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Honestly, the New Orleans number dropping was a small part of enrollment change.. Had alot to do with DOC feeling New Orleans was trying to control the band.. But funny thing is what DOC viewed as control had nothing to do with marching and music, but the fact that New Orleans folks can to SU with no scholarships and had NOTHING to lose, so we were the ones more will to strike and boycott practice when we (the Band ) was getting to Royal Stick.....lol Out of town folk would never boycott because of them out of state fees....

My lil brother isn't in the band but he is dealing with out of state fees and is only 45 minutes away from Liberty, Ms. So I know understand why them out of town folk wasn't about to boycott....lol DOC knew this and took action.. I remember in 99 it was about 16 Mellos... 9 or 10 crabs from New Orleans... He may have keep two... The ones with gold teeth was gone before the 2nd week, and they were good players with New Orleans style.....

Im pissed because now TxSU and Miles are getting the kids that would have once came to SU for FREE.. and Now SU is offering money... It's going to take SU showing New Orleans love again to get that group of kids back.... All SU had to do was march a parade in New Orleans, and off we were going to SU, this was set in our minds in the 6th grade.....some younger than that.....SU's presence in New Orleans means a WHOLE lot...
 
SUtrp96 said:
All SU had to do was march a parade in New Orleans, and off we were going to SU, this was set in our minds in the 6th grade.....some younger than that.....SU's presence in New Orleans means a WHOLE lot...
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Will be doing the Zulu for Mardi Gras next month. Hope that starts to be an annual thing.
 
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