Texas Southern Begins National Search for New Football Coach


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Voice of Reason said:
I guess the point missed you or you are so blinded by your fascination with Shannon. Shannon is a good coach that has been fired a couple of times since he left Jstate, does that make him a bad coach. Keep up please.
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Correction, he was fired at Troy State in 2002, but hasn't been fired since then...
 
Storm96 said:
Personally, I don't agree with it because doing so says ALOT about how some of us view ourselves. But like you, I recognize that it happens. And the media will fall all over themselves to cover a "white saviour" story so watch how the Houston Chronicle does an about face in how it covers tsu.
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+1. sTu will be on the map daily if they go "chicken breast" instead of "legs/thighs." :|
 



Panther88 said:
+1. sTu will be on the map daily if they go "chicken breast" instead of "legs/thighs." :|
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That's what they need Panth. They were already all over the news with all this NCAA stuff. It would do them some good to be on the news for something positive for a change.
 
highschoolguy said:
TSUGIRL07 said:
Why do you feel like this? I will wait to hear your response, but I think your close-minded approach is what has the SWAC going backwards instead of progressing. Also, I think your comparision to Alabama and LSU lobbying for a Black coach is flawed. I am gald our AD is looking beyond color and actually comparing resumes, which typically does not happen in the SWAC. I understand your point about a young, energetic coach, but our administration wants a proven winner, and I support that.[/QUOTE

Resumes are fine. Don't say kids play harder for a white coach though. Kids play hard for who they think cares about them.

TSU has been down this road before with getting a proven winner. I would like to see the school go with a young guy who can recruit. Steve Wilson was supposed to be proven. J. Cole was supposed to proven. Also, you must realize what's going on at TSU. Post-Season Bans are coming, Loss of scholarships have already happened, and they still have to go see the NCAA in February to determine the outcome of the investigation is (It's not over).

There's a young guy on staff there from Houston on staff now, no one will give him a chance because you all will be close-minded and say that he's too young.
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Highschool Guy, I'm not following your logic. You're basically saying get a young black coach that can recruit for the sake of getting a young black coach that can recruit, but why exactly? What makes this mysterious young black coach you're talking about more accomplished than anyone else young or old, black or white.....recruiting is important, but you insinuate he'll be good at it just because he's young and black. What proof is there he'll be good at it just because he falls into that demographic?
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highschoolguy said:
I'm not following your logic. You're basically saying get a young black coach that can recruit for the sake of getting a young black coach that can recruit, but why exactly? What makes this mysterious young black coach you're talking about more accomplished than anyone else young or old, black or white.....recruiting is important, but you insinuate he'll be good at it just because he's young and black. What proof is there he'll be good at it just because he falls into that demographic?
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Thank you Law Dawg.

High School Guy - who is this young "protege" that you are supporting who is currently on the TSU coaching staff? The only person I think you could be talking about is Jackson and he will tell you himself he is not ready for a head coaching gig. I am cool with the guy. He is definitely on the way up and attends many NFL coaching clinics for his own personal development, but he still wants to grow. He is a rising star though - if that is who you are talking about. I am not against your approach of giving young coaches, or employees in general, a chance if they are the best person for the job. But I agree with Law Dawg, just because he is black and young does not justify us hiring based simply on those criteria.

And I still say "some", not all black kids, and their parents feel validated from playing for a white coach. I am not saying I agree that it is right, but it happens. Sorry, I won't change my statement about that. I have seen it a thousand times coming from small town America.

And the coach you mentioned above - who shall remain nameless - was/is a winner. Him and his brother win everywhere they go. No one can really dispute that. The problem is that when they leave, they usually have done something against the rules.
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hell...hire me...I'll hire a kick ass staff, recruit all day long, show up just for the games, shake CLeb's hand, will be happy with what I have...:emlaugh:
 
TSU07

If you really want to know about Shanon, you need to ask me. Honestly, the guy is average at best and has been average to below average at every Offensive Coordinator position he had. He got FIRED at Troy State because he was so terrible...went to Toledo for a few years as the WR coach, then moved up to the OC. He went to Marshall from there as the OC where he got that coach fired. He ended up at Biloxi which should tell you all you need to know about him.

A lot of folks around here want him back in Jackson...why? I have no damn idea. You can either go with him or Coe...You would do much better with Coe.
 
JSU football is in the shape we are in because we didn't hire Shannon in 1999. Voice of Reason stated that Shannon was not passed over becasue Hughes was the Associate Head Coach and this is true but WHY was Hughes the Associate HC in the first place. Throughout JSU's history, we have only promoted our OC or DC to the HC position. In my opinion, the fact that Shannon was not the Assoc HC was racist in itself. Had we hired Shannon in 1999, I think we would have seen a different JSU from 1999-2002. I don't think Shannon would have let Kelly be his DC for three years...not even one year. I'm not even sure Asberry would have been the OC. If Shannon had been our HC, we may have never seen James Bell.

In short, if Comegy had been canned this year, more than likely Shannon was going to be the next HC in Jackson. He has a group of fans who have been trying to get him back to Jackson for a while now. I think he will be a good HC in the SWAC. Most of the talent we had on offense in the late 90's and early 2000s was because many of those kids wanted to play in Shannon's offense.

I really hope you guys can get Shannon and if not Shannon, someone better than Shannon. I am not afraid of other SWAC schools getting good coaches. It will only make JSU step up!
 
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But now that I have given you my opinion on Shannon I wanna say this:

He ain't coming to no dayum Tx Southern.

You all are about to do a national search just to hire Ramsey and pray that Coe chooses to stay. Shannon would not want his FIRST HC job to be at a school under NCAA sanctions. You would do better calling up Shine Wyatt or somebody whose career is over. To be honest, unless you thought it would help keep the the NCAA penalties, you should have just kept J. Cole but since you have already crossed that bridge, I think Coe and Ramsey make a good duo.
 
WOW... I really don't know where to begin with the stuff you wrote... I will start at why he was associate Head Coach, it has always been held at the time by the staff member with tenure as in with Coach Bishop under WC and would have been Head Coach if something happen to him while in that role, not Big Daddy. Coach Bishop got sick and passed thus Big Daddy getting the job when WC took over as AD. It has always been the culture, WC benefited from it as well as Hughes.
Tigerpride said:
JSU football is in the shape we are in because we didn't hire Shannon in 1999. Voice of Reason stated that Shannon was not passed over becasue Hughes was the Associate Head Coach and this is true but WHY was Hughes the Associate HC in the first place. Throughout JSU's history, we have only promoted our OC or DC to the HC position. In my opinion, the fact that Shannon was not the Assoc HC was racist in itself. Had we hired Shannon in 1999, I think we would have seen a different JSU from 1999-2002. I don't think Shannon would have let Kelly be his DC for three years...not even one year. I'm not even sure Asberry would have been the OC. If Shannon had been our HC, we may have never seen James Bell.

In short, if Comegy had been canned this year, more than likely Shannon was going to be the next HC in Jackson. He has a group of fans who have been trying to get him back to Jackson for a while now. I think he will be a good HC in the SWAC. Most of the talent we had on offense in the late 90's and early 2000s was because many of those kids wanted to play in Shannon's offense.

I really hope you guys can get Shannon and if not Shannon, someone better than Shannon. I am not afraid of other SWAC schools getting good coaches. It will only make JSU step up!
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Voice of Reason said:
WOW... I really don't know where to begin with the stuff you wrote... I will start at why he was associate Head Coach, it has always been held at the time by the staff member with tenure as in with Coach Bishop under WC and would have been Head Coach if something happen to him while in that role, not Big Daddy. Coach Bishop got sick and passed thus Big Daddy getting the job when WC took over as AD. It has always been the culture, WC benefited from it as well as Hughes.
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Man, whatever. Was Gordon, Hill, Carson, etc... position coaches or coordinators before becoming the HC?
 
WC was Assoc. Head under Hill, Carson moved to that position after Bishops illness and later death, Hughes held it under Carson....You see the pattern....BTW... I played under them all but Crazy Bob Hill!!!! and Coach Bishop was also the Special Teams Coach prior to Judge! The coaches understood the hiearchy.
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Man, whatever. Was Gordon, Hill, Carson, etc... position coaches or coordinators before becoming the HC?
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Tigerpride said:
But now that I have given you my opinion on Shannon I wanna say this:

He ain't coming to no dayum Tx Southern.

You all are about to do a national search just to hire Ramsey and pray that Coe chooses to stay. Shannon would not want his FIRST HC job to be at a school under NCAA sanctions. You would do better calling up Shine Wyatt or somebody whose career is over. To be honest, unless you thought it would help keep the the NCAA penalties, you should have just kept J. Cole but since you have already crossed that bridge, I think Coe and Ramsey make a good duo.
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He would come, because we got that doe. To date over 200 others are interested. Even the committee is surprised at some of names. President Rudley+ Dr. McClelland=$$$ for the right one.
 
Tigerpride said:
But now that I have given you my opinion on Shannon I wanna say this:

He ain't coming to no dayum Tx Southern.

You all are about to do a national search just to hire Ramsey and pray that Coe chooses to stay. Shannon would not want his FIRST HC job to be at a school under NCAA sanctions. You would do better calling up Shine Wyatt or somebody whose career is over. To be honest, unless you thought it would help keep the the NCAA penalties, you should have just kept J. Cole but since you have already crossed that bridge, I think Coe and Ramsey make a good duo.
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Actually Shine aint a bad coach. He just needed to open up his offense more from that Wyatt Bone. He has some peeps/relatives in Houston. I met them at the SU vs BCU game in J'Ville. Me and Bluedog was on them after the game in the hotel bar. LOL.
 
Voice of Reason said:
WC was Assoc. Head under Hill, Carson moved to that position after Bishops illness and later death, Hughes held it under Carson....You see the pattern....BTW... I played under them all but Crazy Bob Hill!!!! and Coach Bishop was also the Special Teams Coach prior to Judge! The coaches understood the hiearchy.
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Voice of Reason.......you speak the truth.
 
Tigerpride said:
Man, whatever. Was Gordon, Hill, Carson, etc... position coaches or coordinators before becoming the HC?
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VOR is telling you the truth TP. I had relatives on the team at JSU during that era. My old man was close with them coaches back in the day and it is pretty much how it went down. Hell, I used to play with Hughes's kids when he married to Joyce. Bob Hill had a nice arse coaching staff and Coach Gorden kept it up. It was how things went down back then. No coaching searches. You just moved on up.
 
Voice of Reason said:
WOW... I really don't know where to begin with the stuff you wrote... I will start at why he was associate Head Coach, it has always been held at the time by the staff member with tenure as in with Coach Bishop under WC and would have been Head Coach if something happen to him while in that role, not Big Daddy. Coach Bishop got sick and passed thus Big Daddy getting the job when WC took over as AD. It has always been the culture, WC benefited from it as well as Hughes.
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That doesn't make good business/football sense. In fact, that's terrible. By this logic, coach toe should have been an associate head coach. That may have been the culture, but that doesn't make it right.
 
Surely you cant be this slow....Coach Toe was a coach in name only. He was never an official member of the staff. He was a volunteer. And please explain the business sense issue you keep bringing up. Please present facts not your personal theories. How has it harmed the program, what additional would have been gained by Shannon being made head Coach. As I see it noone else has made him a head at the collegiate level yet. Why not? Your man crush on Shannon is showing....
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That doesn't make good business/football sense. In fact, that's terrible. By this logic, coach toe should have been an associate head coach. That may have been the culture, but that doesn't make it right.
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East Tex Tiger said:
He would come, because we got that doe. To date over 200 others are interested. Even the committee is surprised at some of names. President Rudley+ Dr. McClelland=$$$ for the right one.
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I agree and Texas is known for paying folks good due to the State's excellent economy. I think Shannon can easily get $200k per year. I'm anxious to see how much revenue will be generated from hiring a white coach. Will there be an increase or decrease in athletic revenue? How many white business owners in Houston can he get to support the program, and how much will they contribute to the pot? Can a move like this propel Texas Southern's athletic budget into the top spot in the SWAC? There is money in Houston, but we all know them white folks aint givin to an HBCU like they would give to a PWC. What will be the overall impact by the hire in the local business community? If Shannon exceeds all expectations and then some, then what will be the reaction from opposing SWAC schools? I'm just saying...I would like to see if hiring a white coach in a money market like Houston will financially help the university in more ways than one.
 
ROYAL BLUE said:
I agree and Texas is known for paying folks good due to the State's excellent economy. I think Shannon can easily get $200k per year. I'm anxious to see how much revenue will be generated from hiring a white coach. Will there be an increase or decrease in athletic revenue? How many white business owners in Houston can he get to support the program, and how much will they contribute to the pot? Can a move like this propel Texas Southern's athletic budget into the top spot in the SWAC? There is money in Houston, but we all know them white folks aint givin to an HBCU like they would give to a PWC. What will be the overall impact by the hire in the local business community? If Shannon exceeds all expectations and then some, then what will be the reaction from opposing SWAC schools? I'm just saying...I would like to see if hiring a white coach in a money market like Houston will financially help the university in more ways than one.
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^^^THIS
 
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