Sports should require fans be vaxxed – or stay home


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coldsweat said:
The 100 million plus should have been enough for us to be out of the woods, but we are not!

What ever happened to herd immunity?

And why Is Israel-the most heavily vaccinated country in the world--all of a sudden dealing with significant increases in cases?

Can we rule out the possibility that vaccines are also contributing to different variant combinations?

Will we have to take a dosage annually to stop the spread?

Where do we draw the line?
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The WHO recently said vaccines won't be enough on their own to drive down the spread since there is so much vaccine inequity in the world. They issued guidance that everyone, including fully vaccinated people, should wear masks.

Last I checked, around 80 percent of the globe isn't fully vaccinated. And many countries won't get their first doses until 2022. So that means there is a potential for more deadly mutations that will be resistant to current vaccines. We won't be completely out of the woods until the world is vaccinated at a much higher threshold to combat variants.

A lot of people here are under the impression if more of us in America got vaccinated this thing would be over, not realizing there are hundreds of millions of people around the world who aren't and won't be for a while.
 
Kendrick said:
The WHO recently said vaccines won't be enough on their own to drive down the spread since there is so much vaccine inequity in the world. They issued guidance that everyone, including fully vaccinated people, should wear masks.

Last I checked, around 80 percent of the globe isn't fully vaccinated. And many countries won't get their first doses until 2022. So that means there is a potential for more deadly mutations that will be resistant to current vaccines. We won't be completely out of the woods until the world is vaccinated at a much higher threshold to combat variants.

A lot of people here are under the impression if more of us in America got vaccinated this thing would be over, not realizing there are hundreds of millions of people around the world who aren't and won't be for a while.
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Thanks for at least having the courage to respond! 👍

The masks that everyone should be wearing are N-95 masks with respirators, but shockingly the CDC said that this should be reserved just for hospital staff only and isn't necessary for overall society. Now, it's almost impossible to buy a N-95 mask with a respirator on it anywhere. Wonder why?

Israel vaccinated majority of their population, provided vaccination "green passes" to their citizens and opened up for business, only for the delta variant to rage havoc on them after only a few months--raising concerns about the vaccine's overall effectiveness and longevity! :confused:

So the citizens got vaccinated and now the delta variant has reduced their overall protection significantly to the point where they have to implement booster shots and revise their vaccination green passes--and this could possibly be a re-occurring annual thing!

Again, why is no one discussing herd immunity anymore? Is it not possible? That was one of the CDC's original goals.
Could it be that the vaccine is making people more sick?
Would nature have already found a natural defense for this disease without interruption from man--especially given the percentage of people who have developed natural antibodies to the disease?
 



J C said:
Serious adverse reactions to the vaccine is less than 1%. Whereas, 99% reports no serious reaction to the vaccine. Do the odds.
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Unfortunately, I know people in that less than1% number. Point of the Harvard study is the real number of adverse vaccine events is much higher than documented. Just a data point. Do with it what you will...it should be your choice to decide what's best for your household and not mandated by some other entity. Go look at the VAERS database and look at the symptom tree. If nothing else, you'll learn this is not a one size fits all solution.
 
coldsweat said:
Thanks for at least having the courage to respond! 👍

The masks that everyone should be wearing are N-95 masks with respirators, but shockingly the CDC said that this should be reserved just for hospital staff only and isn't necessary for overall society. Now, it's almost impossible to buy a N-95 mask with a respirator on it anywhere. Wonder why?

Israel vaccinated majority of their population, provided vaccination "green passes" to their citizens and opened up for business, only for the delta variant to rage havoc on them after only a few months--raising concerns about the vaccine's overall effectiveness and longevity! :confused:

So the citizens got vaccinated and now the delta variant has reduced their overall protection significantly to the point where they have to implement booster shots and revise their vaccination green passes--and this could possibly be a re-occurring annual thing!

Again, why is no one discussing herd immunity anymore? Is it not possible? That was one of the CDC's original goals.
Could it be that the vaccine is making people more sick?
Would nature have already found a natural defense for this disease without interruption from man--especially given the percentage of people who have developed natural antibodies to the disease?
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1. Yes, people should be wearing KN95 or N95 masks. But, I wouldn't say they're impossible to buy. I've been buying them for months online. So have many people I know through sites such as projectn95.org bonafidemasks.com. among others, including amazon. Some sell for less than $1 each.

2. Yes, the uncontrolled spread of viruses can lead to mutations that can evade vaccines over time, even in highly-vaxed areas (if there are no other mitigation measures in place). Despite having a high vaccine uptake, places such as Israel also feature a very large ineligible population (think kids under 12). That reality makes it difficult to reach herd immunity (along with low vaccine uptake). That's not a vaccine problem but a lack of the world truly controlling the spread problem.

3. There really isn't a natural defense to a novel virus that has been allowed to mutate so frequently. And those with natural immunity from previous infection have sustained reinfection because not everyone gets a robust antibody response. Vaccines help to bolster defenses.

4. Are vaccines perfect or failsafe? Are masks? Nothing in this world is 100 percent. That's why it's important to have layers of protection in place. (masking, vax and social distancing) The problem, at least in the U.S., is that our elected officials and health leaders (CDC) haven't been completely honest with the public about how bad COVID really is and will be for a long time if there aren't measures taken (other than vaccines) to control it. For months, they've gone with the simple message of the vaccinated are safe and folks can't get back to a normal life with them when delta and other variants prove that isn't true.
 
IceMan99 said:
Been following this thread for a minute...interesting. I find people form opinions based on where the majority of their "facts" come from. Gave up my season tickets because I am not comfortable being out in big crowds again. A few points. Those who say vaccinated people are NOT dying with Covid or of the vaccine - I give you VAERS, the CDC's database for reporting vaccine adverse events. Granted, the vaccines do provide some protection - better than no protection. For some though, that protection comes with a great cost. What I find VERY interesting in this site (as of 8/13) - which I search weekly for the updates - is the most recently reported deaths related to Covid shots fall into a couple of categories: people who took the vaccines 4 - 8 months ago and DIED of "Breakthrough Covid" or people who died anywhere from a day to a couple of weeks after taking the shot. Not an easy site to navigate because it is raw data, but real. The query below only addresses deaths; there are over 17,000 reports of people being disabled from the Covid shots. I can post the link if you want to look at the data for yourself. It lets you write custom queries to tailor your result or you can just look at the results - which people have been reporting for Covid shots since late December 2020. BTW, Myocarditis and pericarditis are NOT the only serious adverse reactions to these shots. Call them "rare" or "breakthrough" if you like, but how many constitute a real problem? A 2011 report from Harvard (I have a copy and have read it) found only 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported. Until Monday, all vaccines were under EUA only - which means if the EUA goes away, non FDA approved shots can no longer be given. Ignorance is bliss, trust but VERIFY. The data is all around you but it's not coming at you from the "Trusted Sources". Our country does not have a great history fast tracking vaccines (see 1976 swine flu for an example). Why does the most advanced country on the planet only provide "happy, one-sided details", catering toward a particular outcome - taking the shot? We all are capable of consuming information and making choices from that information. Winter is coming; make sure you are not Vitamin D deficient among other things. You have to make decisions for your household. Weigh the risks, but know the vaccine is not the only answer to deal with Covid. Early intervention - don't believe me - get off Google and start looking. You might be shocked that not some so crazy people have very interesting things to say about this. I didn't say this, but it appears from the CDC data - that they are NOT sharing with you willingly, the vaccines have a shorter shelf life of protection than has been publicly reported. Vaccinated or not, it is not the time to assume it is safe to go about life as before. I'll stop here. Here is the link to VAERS: https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php View attachment 13102
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Now, show the data that confirms that the vaccine was the cause of those deaths....
 
BG said:
The city of New Orleans enacted new rules last week for indoor arenas and entertainment venues that require anyone attending a Saints game at the Superdome to provide proof of vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test within 72 hours of kickoff.

Masks also will be required.

“We are committed to doing everything we can in the current environment to protect your health and safety while at the same time providing the best game day experience in the NFL,” the Saints told their fans. “We understand some will be frustrated, as are we, that we find ourselves in this position.”

Tulane, a private college in the Big Easy and member of American Athletic Conference, said it will have the same vaccination and testing requirements to attend its home sporting events, even though its football stadium is an outdoor facility.

The Green Wave thus became the first major college football program to make such a move.

On Friday, others followed their lead.

https://www.theoaklandpress.com/2021/08/21/column-sports-should-require-fans-be-vaxxed-or-stay-home/
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I agree vaccinated or proof that you are not positive.

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IceMan99 said:
Unfortunately, I know people in that less than1% number. Point of the Harvard study is the real number of adverse vaccine events is much higher than documented. Just a data point. Do with it what you will...it should be your choice to decide what's best for your household and not mandated by some other entity. Go look at the VAERS database and look at the symptom tree. If nothing else, you'll learn this is not a one size fits all solution.
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Because of the Covid pandemic, what you do in your household has detrimental effects on me and my family.
 
Kendrick said:
4. Are vaccines perfect or failsafe? Are masks? Nothing in this world is 100 percent. That's why it's important to have layers of protection in place. (masking, vax and social distancing) The problem, at least in the U.S., is that our elected officials and health leaders (CDC) haven't been completely honest with the public about how bad COVID really is and will be for a long time if there aren't measures taken (other than vaccines) to control it. For months, they've gone with the simple message of the vaccinated are safe and folks can't get back to a normal life with them when delta and other variants prove that isn't true.
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Bingo

They've created a vaxxed versus unvaxxed Culture War which keeps people's focused on how badly they've dropped the ball with this. When you add another layer of Culture Wars (GOP versus Dems) in which red state governors have gone out of their way to not require masks to stick it to Biden at the expense of Joe Biden to make him look bad (he's done that on his own with the simple messaging as you said and keeping that hack on board that shall not be named), you end up with Mississippi being the COVID hotspot of the WORLD (not just the US the WORLD)

As we just saw with Afghanistan, we REALLY won't know the full extent of how bad things are until YEARS down the road. And NOTHING will happen to them just like those that lied American into a 20 year war that Afghan people didn't want (and still don't)
 
Look... this ain't as hard as people are making it out to be.

1. the vaccines work. they were programmed for the wildtype virus and they stop that variant from infecting you w/ up to 95% success. they are not as good against the Delta variant at stopping infection. So even if you are vaccinated you can be got by delta. It still largely protects from severe illness and death, though there are some cases of the vaccinated dying. With that in mind you we need to be wearing mask even if you are vaccinated & def if you are not.

2. Viruses mutate and covid is no exception. The goal of the virus is to survive, to outmaneuver the treatment. Killing the host is not good for the virus. It can't spread if the host can't ambulate and spread it around, so generally mutations end up being less deadly to the host, but in exchange they become more contagious. Delta got that part right... it is more contagious. There are other variants out there. the hope is none is deadlier and more transmissible.

3. Viruses mutate when they infect the host. Every interaction with a new host provides a new opportunity for the virus to mutate into a deadlier variant. so to those who say it's their choice and refusing to mask and vaccinate you are literally working for the virus. You're making it easy for the virus to do it's thing.
4. The virus will continue to mutate and eventually we are likely to end up with a coronavirus that doesn't kill millions of people each year around the globe, think a cold.... but we are no where near there yet.
5. Masking. Masking is effective at fighting respiratory illnesses and it is with covid as well. N95 & kN95 mask are certainly preferable, but even surgical mask have demonstrated an ability to reduce the spread of the illness. Message... don't let good be the enemy of great. If you can get the best mask go for it, but not being able to is NOT an excuse not to wear a mask at all.

We are all tired of the pandemic and ready to be done, but we can't be tired until covid gets tired. In the meantime we have to find a way to live. You natural immunity folks need to stick to that when you get sick... don't go to the doctor for nothing. not a cold, the flu, not cancer because according to you... Lord Jesus take the wheel...

You folks are affecting other people. You don't want to wear a mask, you don't want to vaccinate. You don't want to stay in your dog gone house and away from everyone else. You want to pretend it's 2019 and it's not. You want freedom... you remember you wanted freedom from your mama's house, and you got it with a whole bunch of responsibility. Now you've got your freedom, take some responsibility too. You are your brother and sister's keeper. Don't infect other folks with the virus or your poor understanding of how science works.
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2kool said:
See, I don't think we need anymore lockdowns aside from schools that have kids under 12. Adults have made their decisions to simply risk their health and lives by not getting vaccinated.

We can't keep catering society to these people. Let them suffer the consequences. Its not like lockdowns prevent future spread anyway.
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It impacts people who are vaccinated as well (i.e. people needing surgery can't find beds). Lockdowns slowdown, it never prevented anything.

But since a lockdown will never happen, we just need to limit capacity and encourage mask wearing to slow it down.
 
2kool said:
Everybody against vaccination got a "cousin" or somebody in the 1% of a vaccine reaction...
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nobody has to come on here and lie to prove any point. especially to you.

you bought the 1% stat, nobody said that stat was the truth. Not so long ago 99.9% of the hospitalizations and deaths were the unvaxxed. Now they’re having to walk those numbers back, and they’re gonna continue to. you’ve lived your whole life in this country watching white people lie and manipulate statistics and you’ve chosen to ignore that. your education failed you, but don’t worry white folk got another lesson for you.

so just save your anger. you made your decision on your own now you’re gonna have to live with it on your own. And I’m very pleased about that. This time if you’re wrong there’ll be a physical price to be paid. You’re not just gonna be able to scramble off and act like you never
J C said:
Because of the Covid pandemic, what you do in your household has detrimental effects on me and my family.
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no it doesn’t. most of the Black people I know take the proper precautions in addition to being vaccinated. we all know good and well that when we’re out in public most of the people not wearing masks are white. whites have politicized this thing from the very beginning.

and I guarantee none of you has ever said anything to a white man or woman about them endangering you and your family, or even questioned them nicely about their vaccine status. no, y’all save your bullying and browbeating for Black people on messageboards.

why? because we all know what’ll happen if you tried that bs with a crakkka.
 
BobbyBlueBlamm said:
nobody has to come on here and lie to prove any point. especially to you.

you bought the 1% stat, nobody said that stat was the truth. Not so long ago 99.9% of the hospitalizations and deaths were the unvaxxed. Now they’re having to walk those numbers back, and they’re gonna continue to. you’ve lived your whole life in this country watching white people lie and manipulate statistics and you’ve chosen to ignore that. your education failed you, but don’t worry white folk got another lesson for you.

so just save your anger. you made your decision on your own now you’re gonna have to live with it on your own. And I’m very pleased about that. This time if you’re wrong there’ll be a physical price to be paid. You’re not just gonna be able to scramble off and act like you never


no it doesn’t. most of the Black people I know take the proper precautions in addition to being vaccinated. we all know good and well that when we’re out in public most of the people not wearing masks are white. whites have politicized this thing from the very beginning.

and I guarantee none of you has ever said anything to a white man or woman about them endangering you and your family, or even questioned them nicely about their vaccine status. no, y’all save your bullying and browbeating for Black people on messageboards.

why? because we all know what’ll happen if you tried that bs with a crakkka.
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You're not smarter than millions of doctors. I hope you and coldsweat know that...
 



BobbyBlueBlamm said:
no it doesn’t. most of the Black people I know take the proper precautions in addition to being vaccinated. we all know good and well that when we’re out in public most of the people not wearing masks are white. whites have politicized this thing from the very beginning.

and I guarantee none of you has ever said anything to a white man or woman about them endangering you and your family, or even questioned them nicely about their vaccine status. no, y’all save your bullying and browbeating for Black people on messageboards.

why? because we all know what’ll happen if you tried that bs with a crakkka.
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1st bold - I've said this from the start. That's why I haven't had to walk back too much of what I've said. I live in the Delta (black region) and I say even before some towns went back to mask mandates on their own (because the idiot governor won't), it was probably 60% masked. The Delta is also far more vaxxed than non-Delta counties (and even the predominately black counties not in the Delta (Hinds County (Jackson) and Wilkinson County) are far more vaxxed than Conservative areas. It's not where it needs to be but we are taking it far more seriously than Conservative hotbeds. And college football season starts next week with a home game in Starkville. Super spreader event on steriods (remember no mask or vax mandate even with colleges having the legal standing to do so)

2nd bold - I see it on here and other areas of social media every day. You would have thought they learned from chastasing black people for not wanting to vote for a segrationalist sympathizer and a cosplaying coolie but nope. If you are only concerned when you see black people not masking while not saying anything to Chuck, Sue and their 3 children you are doing it wrong
 

Japan recalls 1.63 million Moderna vaccine doses due to contamination​


efe.com/efe/english/world/japan-recalls-1-63-million-moderna-vaccine-doses-due-to-contamination/50000262-4615756


between this, what's coming out about the phizer vaccines and the story over in germany about 9000 getting saline shots when they thought they were getting the vaccine i feel better everyday about my decision.
 
BobbyBlueBlamm said:

Japan recalls 1.63 million Moderna vaccine doses due to contamination​


efe.com/efe/english/world/japan-recalls-1-63-million-moderna-vaccine-doses-due-to-contamination/50000262-4615756


between this, what's coming out about the phizer vaccines and the story over in germany about 9000 getting saline shots when they thought they were getting the vaccine i feel better everyday about my decision.
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Yea, until you get it. Don't go to the hospital. Damn near every single person in ICU and dying off by the thousands daily thought they were smart just like you.
 
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