mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
:tup::tup:
Very well stated
Signing Day Misses - Are HBCUs Hurting Ourselves
- Thread starter FAMU CLIFF
- Start date
Very well stated
JR
Well-Known Member
But why would you want to do someone else's job? Is not someone on your campus being <b>paid a salary</b> to do just what you're attempting to do?
I REALLY wonder what would happen if I got 86$ worth of gas from ExxonMobil and then decided to try and hit up behind the counter attempting to open a cash register, which by the way I know nothing about :retard:, and think I'm going to complete the transaction myself. lol I wonder what "big brother" w/ the cameras aimed @ the cash register would think? Kinda' sorta' what and how the ncaa would think if citizens/alums attempt to start recruiting for their alma maters.I guess the ncaa being on your campus means nothing to you but it certainly does to me. I'm not sure and neither do I care what others are doing on their campus bcs or fcs alike. I'm only concerned w/ what those on Waller county's deal aren't doing. I don't know how to promote someone being lazy but I see sincere attempts on educating me on how it's correctly implemented. :tup:
If HBCU recruiting coaches aren't out there searching and all you are doing is telling them to look at this kid and look at that kid, then that is a difference. Then they are being lazy, and they should not be tolerated. But what NCAA rule permits you as an alum/booster to mention a kid to the recruiting coordinator? Nothing. That is allowed. You as the alum/booster cannot actually recruit the kid on behalf of the university. I think most of us have compliance websites that list out what we can and cannot do. Texas A&M sends out emails about this to all of our athletic boosters each year to make sure they don't get into trouble. You send them information about a prospective athlete, but you can't recruit on behalf of the university if you are defined as an athletic booster. I know what's on TSU website and a few other Texas Schools as well.
PERMISSABLE ACTIVITIES BY BOOSTERS
TSU boosters may attend events (e.g., contests, banquets) where prospects are present on the booster's own initiative, subject to the understanding that the booster may NOT contact the prospect or the prospect's relatives.
TSU boosters may inform the TSU coaches of prospects in their area by contacting the TSU staff and sending TSU coaches newspaper clippings with the names of particular prospects.
Continue establishing family relationships with friends and neighbors. Contacts with prospects are permitted as long as they are not made for recruiting purposes and are not initiated by TSU staff members. - If a prospective PV athlete or their family member asks you about PV then you can engage in the conversation, you just can't iniate it.
Yes FBS schools break these rules all the time, and we know we can't do what they do. But there is a way for HBCU alums to "volunteer" to help our recruiting coordinators out on kids they might have missed and/or might not have the funds to come visit in person. There is nothing wrong with us doing that, we just continue to make excuses as to why we can't. Oh, and your Exxon Mobil example is flawed to me, unless you have worked for them in the past, why would you want to "volunteer" to help them prosper. You went to PV so one would hope you would. That is not the same thing Panth, at all, and you know it LOL.
Last edited:
This is not a bad idea. I know when it comes to academics that the AU Center schools have students come there from other parts of the country to tour the schools. I am almost sure that PV did the same.
Panther88
Banned
Recommending a kid is one thing, which is what the ncaa allows. Folx going out and DOING someone else's RECRUITING job is another.
What happens next, coach from the sideline as a volunteer as well? :lol:Tell your lazy folx to get off their sorry lazy asses and do the job they were hired to do. How about that simple action? :emlaugh:
I agree.
the band fan
Baseball Fan
some schools limit out of state kids now as they waiver money has dried up so you can't spend alot of time recruiting and flying kids from the north, west down unless you know they're going to committ or at least think about comitting to you
I can tell you at PV we've went to Cali to recruit, Ohio, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Florida, etc....but when your home base is Texas your going to limit you out of state kids anyway
I can tell you at PV we've went to Cali to recruit, Ohio, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Florida, etc....but when your home base is Texas your going to limit you out of state kids anyway
JR
Well-Known Member
Frat, I know what you are trying to say. But Ole Miss and Ms State aint on those schools level at all. Minnesota don't even invest in their program. Which is their fault. They could be better. UCLA don't enroll kids like USC will. Imagine that. A public college with more admission standards than a private one. Plus they have whiffed on coaching hires. Notre Dame is in the same boat with admission standards. They have not allowed any coach after Lou Holtz to do recruit whomever. LOL. Bad hires as well. I think they are on their way back. Most smart kids still would choose ND over Ole Piss and Ms State in the long run. Syracuse is a basketball school and they don't care. Still a better program than Ole Miss though. LOL. Ms State will not beat Michigan anymore. That was a Rich Rod creation. I told everyone on the board that he would fail when he got hired. You can't run that type offense and play no defense in the Big 10 let alone think you can beat a SEC level school with them undersized players. Same isht he did at WVA. All those small arse players. He killed Pat White there just like he was killing Dennard Robinson. Brady Hoke will have Michigan really back in 2 years.
The problem with the Sip schools is 1. They play in a tough conference with schools much bigger than them and with more money and resources. 2. They fight for players in the state which is not big. Less population than even La or Alabama. 3 FBS schools fighting for talent aint a good thing with a small pool to pull from while the LSU's are the one big dog in their state. 3. The bad rep the state has nationally keeps them from being able to pull a kid from other states that are not neighboring states. 4. They can't keep a good coach to save their lives. They are looked upon as stepping stone coaching jobs.
FAMU CLIFF
New Member
I think 88 has an issue paying someone good money to do a job, then stepping in to do it when they are falling short. Stepping up to assist in an environment of limited resources is different than making up for others incompetence.
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
But don't you think the things that were referred to (alerting the coaches of a potential recruit, speaking positive for our schools..) are "stepping up to assist" as opposed to doing somebody else's job?
FAMU CLIFF
New Member
No. Most of us are doing that already. But I think he balked at writing letters coaches should already be sending out by the hundreds.
mighty hornet
The HMIC!!
ok, sorry I must have missed the part where tsugirl suggested doing that. MANY times I've called and/or e-mailed the different coaches at ASU about players. I've also called and e-mailed the admissions office about students. I have NEVER looked at this as doing the job of the recruiters, the admissions staff, or any coaches.
Panther88
Banned
DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH it's over "our" heads. :emlaugh: :lol: :lmao:
Thx CLIFF.
:shame:
braves0695
Active Member
Not that I care to defend Ole Miss or MSU, but they suck b/c they play Bama, Aub, LSU and Ark every year. They don't have the money to compete, but they'll never admit it. I've never been to Ole Miss to a game, but I've been to several games at State. If Bama & LSU don't recruit you it's not a bad place to go. Plus you don't get caught up in the numbers game as much. Some kids would do better going to State and Ala.
braves0695
Active Member
BH,
Wanting to win with Talent only instead of taking the back-breaking steps necessary to coach them up.[/QUOTE]
This is probably the only statement you've made that I can agree with. However, this is the problem with the conference as a whole, not just Alcorn. There are very few skills and fundamentals being taught.
Unless you are a school from Florida or Texas you do a lot of recruiting out of state. LSU can stay in state more b/c they don't have any major competition. National Champ Ala has a good mix of in-state and out of state. It's good to get local talent to help fan support, but you put a winner on the field and nobody cares where they came from. You are just determined to post off the wall!
Wanting to win with Talent only instead of taking the back-breaking steps necessary to coach them up.[/QUOTE]
This is probably the only statement you've made that I can agree with. However, this is the problem with the conference as a whole, not just Alcorn. There are very few skills and fundamentals being taught.
Unless you are a school from Florida or Texas you do a lot of recruiting out of state. LSU can stay in state more b/c they don't have any major competition. National Champ Ala has a good mix of in-state and out of state. It's good to get local talent to help fan support, but you put a winner on the field and nobody cares where they came from. You are just determined to post off the wall!
tweed24
Well-Known Member
How long have yall been spining wheels about this issue? Prolly for the last 10 years. Swac football has fallen off. Casey brought fresh air to it but now he gone. It will go back to being boring. Yall ignore me its cool. Thats why no kids dont wanna come to a swac school. Its a bunch of bullshit
P we already talked about how HBCUs should throw their name in the hat and send letters out to kids starting as early as possible. I did not think that's what you were talking about in this thread. Sorry your post sounded more like you were against volunteering your time assisting coaches at PV with anything related to recruiting since they got paid for to do so.
Panther88
Banned
MH, respectfully, I think it's a given that we all will refer kids whenever possible.
Someone mentioned that WE ALUMS should be mailing these kids and then intimated that we sit down in their living rooms w/ their parents (that's recruiting). If asked, naturally, I think there's no ncaa bylaw that says we cannot respond. Howsinever, if one is pursuing a kid out of recruiting season et al, that's illegal. Although others do it doesn't mean that we individually have to do it. People rob banks all the time doesn't mean that you have to follow suit to make your come up. :emlaugh:
Read both of my post again P. That's not what I said at all LOL. I said get the coaches into living rooms they couldn't get into other wise. Not us as aalums actually going to talk to the recruits. Neither did I say anything about an alum writing a letter to a recruit. Everyone on this board knows there are terms on recruiting season. No one was talking about refering kids now. Like I said earlier, you seemed like you were against helping PV at all, in any capacity, and that confused me. If that's not the case, you still are still good in my book old Panther lol
Panther88
Banned
That was jag4life's hatin' self who recommended doing someone else's work
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
I wasn't trying to say shat about Miss State or Ole Miss. I just answered the question as to why JSU, ALCORN, AND VALLEY can't attract the top 100 in our state with 3 instate FBS schools and 4 more National Powers in the states surrounding us. he talking about SU having LSU to compete with and SU can't even out recruit the other FCS schools in the state. Forget LSU.
The HBCU's in states like Louisana can't even compete with Lau. Tech and Lou laf. D2 schools give us recruiting headaches. A kid would rather sign JUCO and hope to catch on with a FBS program in 2 years than sign with us right now. ACROSS THE BOARD. Forget who wants to come to Starksville and Oxford. Looking around, mofos need to ask who wants to come to Jackson, Gram, Baton Rougue, Montgomery, Huntsville (normal)P. View, or UAPB to live for 4 years.
As usual, always one poster come in and start the "who want to come to Mississippi crap" when nobody was even talking about that shat. He wanted to know nwhy those schools was not powers and I asked the same question back to him on the ones I nammed. I mean after all, they not located in Mississippi and I'm sure they could convince top 20 kids to sign with them like bees to honey. :lol:
I swear, some of these posters, if you even breath the word Mississippi act like some white mofo from Mississippi whipped them and had them in the cotton fields. These same mofos that has never even lived without airconditioning. :lol:
Last edited:
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
Mississippi Top 100 football recruits.
ONLY 5 even considered a HBCU. 5 out of 100.
The ones that didn't sign a instate or out of state FBS schollie decided to go the JUCO route for 2 years instead of giving "us" a try. You can see what school the in-states are flocking too. Whatever Mullen is selling at Ms. State, they buying.
Mississippi Top 40 recruits............ Where did they go?
ONLY 5 even considered a HBCU. 5 out of 100.
The ones that didn't sign a instate or out of state FBS schollie decided to go the JUCO route for 2 years instead of giving "us" a try. You can see what school the in-states are flocking too. Whatever Mullen is selling at Ms. State, they buying.
Mississippi Top 40 recruits............ Where did they go?
Last edited:
Blacknbengal
Well-Known Member
Man, look at all these JUCO signings. :smh: You shole is right J83. You shole is right.
Cordarrly Gaines Provine OL 6-5 330 Signed with Gulf Coast CC
Avery Gennesy Southaven OL 6-4 285 UAB, Memphis, Arkansas State, likely JUCO
Greg Sims Brookhaven A 6-0 180 Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Byron Akins Olive Branch Signed with NW Miss CC
Verdell Alexander McClain A Signed with Holmes CC
Quadarious Armor Ridgeland WR Signed with Holmes CC
Isaac Bails Ripley RB Signed with Itawamba CC
Javarious Banks Hazlehurst OL 6-2 220 Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Jimmy Barnes Franklin County LB Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Kirby Wixon Pearl OL 6-4 325 Signed with Hinds CC
Justin Bell Leland DB 6-1 190 Signed with Hinds CC
Damion Blue Coahoma AHS DB 6-0 185 Signed with Hinds CC
Ladonn Bolden Callaway DL Signed with Miss. Delta CC
Randall Boyd Forest DL Signed with Itawamba CC
Bailey Breland Madison Central DL 6-1 225 Signed with Miss. Delta CC
Maquillie Bridges Tylertown LB 6-3 195 Signed with Hinds CC
Stedman Capler Ridgeland DL Signed with Holmes CC
Shemiah Carter North Pontotoc WR Signed with Itawamba CC
Corey Carter Callaway K Signed with Texas Southern
Larry Chatman Natchez RB 6-0 178 Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Dylan Chesser Lewisburg OL Signed with Itawamba CC
Stanley Childs Starkville DB Signed with Itawamba CC
Fred Coleman Franklin County DB Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Chris Conard Water Valley DB Signed with Itawamba CC
Ryan Cordice Olive Branch Signed with NW Miss CC
Shaq Crayton Pontotoc WR Signed with Itawamba CC
Anthony Cunningham Wayne Co. DL 6-2 242 Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Xavier Dampeer Mendenhall DL 6-7 250 Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Corderious Dean Byhalia LB Signed with Itawamba CC
Kenya Dennis Leland DB 6-0 190 Signed with Hinds CC
Jamel Dennis Lafayette LB Signed with Itawamba CC
Demarkous Dennis Lafayette RB Signed with Itawamba CC
Courtney Drain Olive Branch Signed with NW Miss CC
Landon Dunham Puckett OL 6-2 291 Signed with Hinds CC
Marquis Echols Olive Branch Signed with NW Miss CC
Ted Esom Bruce LB Signed with Itawamba CC
Brandon Farmer Harrison Central OL 6-3 325 Signed with Southern Miss
Fred Franklin Murrah RB Signed with Holmes CC
Raymond Gee, Jr. Cleveland Signed with Northeast CC
Nolan Geeslin Olive Branch Signed with NW Miss CC
Jimmy Gipson Olive Branch Signed with East Miss. CC
Kris Givens Ridgeland DB Signed with Holmes CC
Nick Glover Winona A Signed with Holmes CC
Dylan Gossett Lafayette County TE Signed with Holmes CC
Steven Grayson Jefferson County LB 6-0 210 Signed with Hinds CC
D’Andre Greer Lafayette OL Signed with Itawamba CC
Greg Hadley Amory OL Signed with Itawamba CC
Richard Hampton Center Hill RB Signed with Holmes CC
Herbert Harris Clinton LB 230 Signed with Hinds CC
Jordan Harris Clarksdale LB Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Ross Hill Brookhaven WR Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Donnell Hixson Cleveland Signed with Miss. Delta CC
Tony Holmes Oak Grove OL Signed with Itawamba CC
Steven Hudson Brookhaven OL Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Daniel Huffines Cathedral WR Signed with Holmes CC
Ted Isom Bruce LB Signed with Itawamba CC
Antwun Ivy Okolona DL Signed with Itawamba CC
CJ Jackson Water Valley LB Signed with Itawamba CC
Tyler Jackson Lafayette K Signed with Itawamba CC
D’Andre Jackson Bailey DB Signed with Jones CC
Joey Jefferson Clarkdale WR Signed with Miss. Delta CC
John Johnson Olive Branch Signed with Miss. Valley State
Nick Johnson Olive Branch Signed with Northeast CC
Jocquell Johnson Callaway OL Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Theodore Jones Wayne Co. DL 6-1 265 Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Jeremiah Jones Lafayette County DB Signed with Holmes CC
Brandon Jones Lewisburg OL Signed with Itawamba CC
Daryl Jones, Jr. Callaway RB Signed with Texas Southern
Darnell Latham Cleveland Signed with Miss. Delta CC
Van Lee Mendenhall A 5-11 190 Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Griff Loftis Mooreville QB Signed with Itawamba CC
Tobias Lofton Forest RB Signed with Itawamba CC
Wiley Maddox Bruce OL Signed with East Miss. CC
Jamal Malone Jefferson County OL 6-4 304 Signed with Hinds CC
Justin Marshall Louisville OL Signed with Itawamba CC
Rokedrick Mays Calhoun City DL Signed with Itawamba CC
Eddie McCadney Cleveland Signed with Miss. Delta CC
Delantrell McClain Mendenhall OL 215 Signed with Copiah-Lincoln CC
Justin McDonald Clinton Christian QB Signed with Holmes CC
William McGill Wayne Co. LB Signed with Holmes CC
Grant McLaurin Forrest County K 6-0 140 Signed with Jones CC
Aquan McMillan Northeast Jones DB Signed with Holmes CC
Tevin McNair Philadelphia OL Signed with Itawamba CC
Jaylen Miller Olive Branch Signed with Holmes CC
DeVonta Montgomery Pontotoc RB Signed with Itawamba CC
Trey Morphis Alcorn Central OL Signed with Itawamba CC
Caliph Muhammad
Devil's Gun Trigger Man
onward and upward son!
JUCO's are KILLING Mississippi SWAC schools, end of story
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
Like I was saying........... Damm Ole Miss, USM, Miss. State and the top 25 recruits. They a problem but biggest problem is all these damm JUCOS in Mississippi.
These kids would honestly play JUCO ball for 2 years and hope to get a FBS schollie than give us a try out of highschool these days. These kids flocking to these JUCOS are the players JSU, Alcorn, and Valley USED to get in the 1980's and 1990's. 80% of these kids got the grades to enroll at any of our universities but they think this is the better way. JUCO for 2 years then transfer to the FBS school of their choice.
Last edited: