JROCK
Preeminent
30,000 students GA. State doesn't belong in I-A because TP said so? Yea Right! :lol: :emlaugh: (those schools you listed are mid major schools up and down)
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30,000 students GA. State doesn't belong in I-A because TP said so? Yea Right! :lol: :emlaugh: (those schools you listed are mid major schools up and down)
JSUDMJ2004
JSU enuff said!
Very True....
But I really dont know why we are elaborating on this in terms of the SWAC... this is jus a prime example of another school passing us by in the dust. The SWAC needs to really disband some schools should really go D2 and a few schools should remain D1-AA and only a few can even THINK (keyword) about making a jump just being REALISTIC pride and old ways of doing things killed the SWAC along time ago and I for one dont want JSU to be apart of it but Im not naive enuff to think that JSU can do it right now...
In_The_662
Deeeeep In The Delta.....
I'm looking at this and laughing as well. Even if they are a commuter school without a lot of support, that enrollment alone allows them to make the move.
FGCU, the nation's media darling right now, is a commuter school. 13,000 or so enrollment still makes them bigger than any SWAC school (I don't know if they even have a football program or not)
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
30,000 students but 10,000 people at a game? That's D-1-AA bruh no matter how you slice it. If they want to be mid-major in bball.. fine but that's a different topic. Villanova is MAJOR in bball but I live by them and they get no buzz for football. if you can't charge but $10 for a football ticket, you are not D-1A material.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
What does size matter? Wake Forest has like 4000 undergrads, U of Miami is small in enrollment but but Georgia State and their whole 30,000 couldn't beat them in schitt. Enrollment and classification are in no way related.
number1
Well-Known Member
Geographics aren't that big of a deal anymore for those who can support it. West Virginia in the Big XII?Nebraska in the Pac-12? Mizzou in the SEC?
And as for NDSU not supporting the move, who would've thought that UNT-Denton or a former D-IIer (only 30 years ago :smh: ) former Southwest Texas State (TxStU) would make the successful jump to now FBS. God forbid but even UT-SA lol has dove head first. So, w/ the proper visionaries and plan(s) in place, it can indeed happen.
Nebraska is in the Big 10, and they fit perfectly within their footprint. Also Missouri being in the SEC makes geographical sense too, Arkansas, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky are all right there with them. What doesn't make sense was the SEC placing them in the East division. You are right West Virginia in the Big 12 is the one that doesn't make sense, but they saw the Big East was falling apart, and the ACC didn't want them.
Panther88
Banned
Dammit boi I KNEW someone intelligent would give me the lead in I needed.
THAT is where the issue lies. Tell us, what division I conference in america would allow one of its member schools to STAY and participate in the conference that did NOT offer a SINGLE scholarship in football for <b>8 consecutive years and then bring shame upon the conference by losing every single football game in that 8 year period?</b> Not a SINGLE mens basketball scholarship for 5 years? Not a single womens basketball scholarship for 5 years?
Here, I have one better for you. What conference @ the divsion I level would allow one of its conference members to stay/co-exist that sports a football stadium that jr highs would use? All that help my brotha' bullshit is played out because your brotha' has used you for a crutch and illicited shame upon your conference while HELPING your downfall right before your very eyes. :|
The SWAC COP is mired w/ athletic stupidity and too much pre-1960ish segregationists mentality. Can't move forward w/ that type mentality, imho.
JROCK
Preeminent
What TP is saying is a moot point. Ga. State along with their 30,000 students and Georgia Dome home field has made the decision to go FBS. The Panthers will not need to ask Moses (let my people go Mr.TP) to take them to the FBS promised land. :lol: :emlaugh:
The Founder
Well-Known Member
Dammit boi I KNEW someone intelligent would give me the lead in I needed.
THAT is where the issue lies. Tell us, what division I conference in america would allow one of its member schools to STAY and participate in the conference that did NOT offer a SINGLE scholarship in football for <b>8 consecutive years and then bring shame upon the conference by losing every single football game in that 8 year period?</b> Not a SINGLE mens basketball scholarship for 5 years? Not a single womens basketball scholarship for 5 years?
Here, I have one better for you. What conference @ the divsion I level would allow one of its conference members to stay/co-exist that sports a football stadium that jr highs would use? All that help my brotha' bullshit is played out because your brotha' has used you for a crutch and illicited shame upon your conference while HELPING your downfall right before your very eyes. :|
The SWAC COP is mired w/ athletic stupidity and too much pre-1960ish segregationists mentality. Can't move forward w/ that type mentality, imho.
Name a conference that does not punish teams for not having a full schedule.
MikeBigg
Well-Known Member
Do you think their past success in those playoffs made the move practical and "logical" for them?
MikeBigg
Well-Known Member
Kenn needs to add a "like" feature similar to Facebook!
ghostwriter
Well-Known Member
ULL isn't on the radar where I live and if you call New Orleans Bowl a real bowl so be it.
MikeBigg
Well-Known Member
Surely this is just for convo only... none of us are ready coaching wise for such a move. Our staffs don't even want to compete against top FCS schools or other in-state FCS programs so I doubt any of them even think of progressing the program to make a move. Our coaches have no reason to move up...they get OVERPAID enough as it is. Well, at least the head coaches are overpaid. Some of these assistant's salaries are less than high school shop teachers.
The only schedule a conference can enforce is their own conference schedule. What schools are not playing a full conference schedule? Anything above that is what they want to do within the NCAA rules.
The only schedule a conference can enforce is their own conference schedule. What schools are not playing a full conference schedule? Anything above that is what they want to do within the NCAA rules.
unknown
New Member
What's really going to be funny is when GaSO and GaSt start beating GT. Considering they lose to MTSU, a former Sunbelt team regularly. I'd bet that within 5 years from now GT won't schedule either of them. For the record, GaST started out pulling 30k fans. Having a coach that drives your program into the ground can and did kill attendance. TP should know a lot about that considering the Bell years but this dude doesn't know logic anyway. New coach so we'll see how it turns out. And yes, GaSO will be a full FBS member in 2015. That means more than likely they will start recruiting FBS talent next year.
Panther88
Banned
For a 750,000$ payout per team, exactly what would you call it?
When UNT-Denton went <b>3 consecutive</b> years to the NO bowl after moving up to then Division I-A from former Division I-AA, quite a few laughed @ them. P88 never lol'd @ them because he caught wind and participated actively w/ his time, seduced his fortune 500 corps to make a sizable donation, and his $$$$$ as well as his LakeDalliasian lol/Corinthian/HickoryCreekan lol neighbors to help fulfill their vision of moving up from i-aa to i-a (where they'd just ran roughshod through the SLC for 2 consecutive years after having a supremely subpar i-aa football program for years+). Who's laughing now as they enjoy a newly erected state of the art stadium built across from their older one that seated 30K? Their new athletic facilities? Paychecks vs other now FBSers exceeding 500,000$ on the regular when they visit their place. Check their 1990s history and their wall of excellence if you need clarity or clarification.
I don't understand the logic of some. :smh: Makes me question what some of you do for a living, or even if you're remotely semi-professional. :smh:
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JSUDMJ2004
JSU enuff said!
WTF, this is the stuff Im talking bout? EXHIBIT A....^^^^^^ ULL is making serious money while schools in the SWAC are making pennies...
Typical SWAC nonsense!
Panther88
Banned
Oh yes sir!!!!! Another. Name a conference that allows its member schools to schedule <b>2, not 1, but TWO sub-division-I OOC games for football as it has NO minimum requirements for competitivity in place?</b>
You cannot look @ the SWAC conference and not help but lol @ the sham these people (conference COPs and the conference front-office lol) have in place. I liken it to a charter school for the ungifted lol. I see hardly few differences and so, so many similiarities as to how it stacks up vs the "regulars" or "normals." :read:
JSUDMJ2004
JSU enuff said!
For a 750,000$ payout per team, exactly what would you call it?
When UNT-Denton went <b>3 consecutive</b> years to the NO bowl after moving up to then Division I-A from former Division I-AA, quite a few laughed @ them. P88 never lol'd @ them because he caught wind and participated actively w/ his time and $$$$$ to help fulfill their vision of moving up from i-aa to i-a (where they'd just ran roughshod through the SLC for 2 consecutive years after having a subpar i-aa program for years+). Who's laughing now as they enjoy a newly erected state of the art stadium built across from their older one that seated 30K? Their new athletic facilities? Paychecks vs other now FBSers exceeding 500,000$ on the regular when they visit their place.
I don't understand the logic of some. :smh: Makes me question what some of you do for a living, or even if you're remotely semi-professional. :smh:
This is why I say some of the schools in this conference need to go to Division 2 ASAP...No vision at all.....HBCU Administrations have the same mindset as some on TSPN...
GA Southern is another school on our level passing us by...who's next?
Panther88
Banned
I shouldn't laugh but I cannot help it -> P88 -> :emlaugh: . Damn JDM04 lololololololololololol. Let him/her make it man. They ain't know no better.
For what it's worth though... I think the SWAC has a very unique product. But, it's being surpassed because the "others" have caught on to the formula for financial success (classics in remote cities during non-bowl season :read: ) and are growing their product while the SWAC continues to sit pat and idle w/ ZERO movement. I see positives from certain schools individually though. If I were an alum of those schools, I'd be happier than a punk in SanFran w/ the positive direction the program(s) are heading.
Panther88
Banned
Sam Houston State University, for us locally in this state.
Also, Incarnate Word and Houston Baptist University will join the Southland conference in a few years as full-timers as they sport their new FCS diggs shortly, first time football players mind you.
They are ramping up and the only HBCU-FCS school w/ over 80+ years of football experience under its belt continues to use LIP-SERVICE and stand pat. I have posts from 2001 to backup my statements regarding a "new football stadium @ Prairie View." PVers know P88 tells the truth so they keep their damned mouths shut for fear of being proven wrong publicly. 
jstate83
GOAT FARM!
TP.
If USM can do it in small small city like Hattiesburg with a 15,000 student enrollment, then I know Georgia State can do it in big azz Atlanta with 30,000 students. Just like Georgia State, remember USM started off as a "commuter school" also and for the most part, it still is a commuter school.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
When did I say they need to ask me. I just said they are D1-AA material. They can go where they want. I'm just saying where they belong. Their 30K can't even beat 3K SCState.
Tigerpride
THE Logical ONE
I never said they can't. Wake Forest has like 4000 undergrads and they CAN draw 30K fans a week. The difference is the culture of the students. At some schools, athletics are just not important. GA State has had a bball program for years but do they draw a crowd? NO. Their 30K don't care about athletics. THAT is the point. Are they looking at 30 years down the road? Maybe but right now, they can't get a fly to enter a facility when they are playing. That is just a fact. Not an opinion. University of Pennsylvania has a nice enrollment but they know that they don't attract the type of students who are concerned with a football. Temple is a 30K school but they can't draw flies and they are 1-A. So again, number of students don't mean anything. I could be wrong but I don't ever see GaState students caring enough to go to a game. That's MY opinion. They would be a nice 1-AA school.