SB Nation reports Georgia Southern, Appalachian State joining Sun Belt


not the culture at some places, its the conference your in helps tremendously and the other fans you can attract...they don't care about athletics at Rice but UT comes to town the game is at Reliant with 65K

let PV head to the Big 12 and your guaranteed hosting A&M, UT, OU, OSU, Baylor, Tech, etc. to boost your average

GA State moves to the SEC all of a sudden things change overnight and bandwagon fans emerge as that student can compete directly with the state school
 
unknown1 said:
What's really going to be funny is when GaSO and GaSt start beating GT. Considering they lose to MTSU, a former Sunbelt team regularly. I'd bet that within 5 years from now GT won't schedule either of them. For the record, GaST started out pulling 30k fans. Having a coach that drives your program into the ground can and did kill attendance. TP should know a lot about that considering the Bell years but this dude doesn't know logic anyway. New coach so we'll see how it turns out. And yes, GaSO will be a full FBS member in 2015. That means more than likely they will start recruiting FBS talent next year.
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Regularly. Look, don't come on here with the lies again. This ain't about GT. But MTSU is 1-2 vs GaTech so I don't call that regularly beating us. But for the record, GaSouthern and GaState won't ever beat GT. They won't have the talent or the coaching.
 



the band fan said:
not the culture at some places, its the conference your in helps tremendously and the other fans you can attract...they don't care about athletics at Rice but UT comes to town the game is at Reliant with 65K

let PV head to the Big 12 and your guaranteed hosting A&M, UT, OU, OSU, Baylor, Tech, etc. to boost your average

GA State moves to the SEC all of a sudden things change overnight and bandwagon fans emerge as that student can compete directly with the state school
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I can agree with that but that is not about to happen with no sorry azz Georgia State. Their academics are so bad that not even a non-academic conference like the SEC would consider them. GaState is for the kids who know they can't make it at GaTech or Emory and are too scared to leave mama's house. What you are saying would make sense if GaState was gonna get UGA or Florida or Texas in the Georgia Dome. We know that ain't gonna happen.
 
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Tigerpride said:
I never said they can't. Wake Forest has like 4000 undergrads and they CAN draw 30K fans a week. The difference is the culture of the students. At some schools, athletics are just not important. GA State has had a bball program for years but do they draw a crowd? NO. Their 30K don't care about athletics. THAT is the point. Are they looking at 30 years down the road? Maybe but right now, they can't get a fly to enter a facility when they are playing. That is just a fact. Not an opinion. University of Pennsylvania has a nice enrollment but they know that they don't attract the type of students who are concerned with a football. Temple is a 30K school but they can't draw flies and they are 1-A. So again, number of students don't mean anything. I could be wrong but I don't ever see GaState students caring enough to go to a game. That's MY opinion. They would be a nice 1-AA school.
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:lol:

Not long ago, USM's fans were the same way.
They could not get 5,000 people in their football games outside of Ms. State and Ole Miss. And then those games were played in Jackson until the early 1980's. Why do you think USM up and put JSU on the schedule back in 1987. Everybody was talking about USM fan base like they was a highschool or something. JSU was averaging over 30,000 a game back then while USM had to play 8 games on the road every year just to make ends meet.

That was the joke about them in this state.
They was a commuter school that had a 5 figure enrollment, (about 10,000 back then), but only had about 2000 people physically living ON campus as "traditional" students. Everyday people that lived in Hattiesburg didn't give a flip about USM sports and neither did USM students. That didn't change until 5 years after they joined Con-USA and dominated that conference for the first 5 or 6 years. :lol:

Their basketball team, outside of this NIT run, has never drew anybody. The only sport at USM that has had any draw for a long time was baseball. :lol:
 
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Fiyah said:
The only schedule a conference can enforce is their own conference schedule. What schools are not playing a full conference schedule? Anything above that is what they want to do within the NCAA rules.
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This is not true. Conferences can have their own rules as long as they don't violate NCAA rules. The MEAC fines their schools for scheduling more than one D2 and strongly discourages them from playing D2s just like the Big 10 is stopping their teams from playing 1-AA schools. The SWAC could easily impose a $25K fine for every sub-D1 team we schedule above one and they could impose a $25K penalty for only only having 10 games and $50 K for only having 9.
 
jstate83 said:
:lol:

Not long ago, USM's fans were the same way.
They could not get 5,000 people in their football games outside of Ms. State and Ole Miss. And then those games were played in Jackson until the early 1980's. Why do you think USM up and put JSU on the schedule back in 1987. Everybody was talking about USM fan base like they was a highschool or something. JSU was averaging over 30,000 a game back then while USM had to play 8 games on the road every year just to make ends meet. That was the joke about them. They was a commute school that had 5 figure enrollment but only had about 2000 people physically living ON campus as a regular student. :lol:

Their basketball team, outside of this NIT run, has never drew anybody. The only sport at USM that has had any draw for a long time was baseball. :lol:
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83, I know everything is relative, but the early 80s is a long time ago bruh! LOL
 
Tigerpride said:
83, I know everything is relative, but the early 80s is a long time ago bruh! LOL
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Not when you starting an entire sports department from the ground up in 2013. You got to have sports for your base to get interested. They just started football about 4 years ago. I'll bet in 4 more years, nobody in the SWAC or MEAC will dare put them on a schedule for fear of getting beat to death. :lol:
 
jstate83 said:
Not when you starting an entire sports department from the ground up in 2013. You got to have sports for your base to get interested. They just started football about 4 years ago. I'll bet in 4 more years, nobody in the SWAC or MEAC will dare put them on a schedule for fear of getting beat to death. :lol:
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OK...but there are a lot of 1-AA teams that will be SWAC and MEAC teams to death. Let's not lose focus. Im just saying, they are not 1-A schools just because they have a large enrollment. They don't have any fans.
 
Tigerpride said:
OK...but there are a lot of 1-AA teams that will be SWAC and MEAC teams to death. Let's not lose focus. Im just saying, they are not 1-A schools just because they have a large enrollment. They don't have any fans.
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YOU GOT TO HAVE SPORTS TO HAVE FANS!!!!!!!
THEY JUST STARTED TP. Give them time to learn how to tailgate and get drunk properly before you write them off as 1A. :lol:
 
jstate83 said:
:lol:

Not long ago, USM's fans were the same way.
They could not get 5,000 people in their football games outside of Ms. State and Ole Miss. And then those games were played in Jackson until the early 1980's. Why do you think USM up and put JSU on the schedule back in 1987. Everybody was talking about USM fan base like they was a highschool or something. JSU was averaging over 30,000 a game back then while USM had to play 8 games on the road every year just to make ends meet.

That was the joke about them in this state.
They was a commuter school that had a 5 figure enrollment, (about 10,000 back then), but only had about 2000 people physically living ON campus as "traditional" students. Everyday people that lived in Hattiesburg didn't give a flip about USM sports and neither did USM students. That didn't change until 5 years after they joined Con-USA and dominated that conference for the first 5 or 6 years. :lol:

Their basketball team, outside of this NIT run, has never drew anybody. The only sport at USM that has had any draw for a long time was baseball. :lol:
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This is the absolute TRUTH Corky offer me a scholly in high school even tho it wasn't crap! but USM only cares about baseball..
 
I think GaSt has few fans because of their history. For years, it was just a commuter school, with most of their students being working adults, taking classes in the evening. I'm sure those "students" weren't all that interested in hanging around after class to go to a bball game. Those "disinterested" students became "disinterested" alumni. And that segment is probably missing from their games. Sure, they probably showed up to the first game(s) because it was new, but now that the newness has worn off, they probably don't bother. (not to mention, I think their games get swallowed in the dome and creates a dull, empty atmosphere. I STILL say MoBrown's stadium would be ideal for GaSt) but I digress...

But now that GaSt is more of a traditional school, with dorms, 18 year old freshmen, I think they have potential. I don't think they're ready for FBS right now, but I think with the proper marketing, they have potential to create their own space and lure decent recruits and coaches.

btw, I think its crazy to think that a GaSt or a GaSou won't ever beat tech. See Middle Tn State. Sorry TP.
 
Tigerpride said:
Regularly. Look, don't come on here with the lies again. This ain't about GT. But MTSU is 1-2 vs GaTech so I don't call that regularly beating us. But for the record, GaSouthern and GaState won't ever beat GT. They won't have the talent or the coaching.
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YOU DONT HAVE TALENT EITHER lol...and you actually had a coaching staff that attempted to win in a BCS conference running the triple option. Please stop responding.
 
Tigerpride said:
OK...but there are a lot of 1-AA teams that will be SWAC and MEAC teams to death. Let's not lose focus. Im just saying, they are not 1-A schools just because they have a large enrollment. They don't have any fans.
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You have to be the most stupid person on this forum lol. It's a third year program that's had 2 losing seasons.
 
mighty hornet said:
I think GaSt has few fans because of their history. For years, it was just a commuter school, with most of their students being working adults, taking classes in the evening. I'm sure those "students" weren't all that interested in hanging around after class to go to a bball game. Those "disinterested" students became "disinterested" alumni. And that segment is probably missing from their games. Sure, they probably showed up to the first game(s) because it was new, but now that the newness has worn off, they probably don't bother. (not to mention, I think their games get swallowed in the dome and creates a dull, empty atmosphere. I STILL say MoBrown's stadium would be ideal for GaSt) but I digress...

But now that GaSt is more of a traditional school, with dorms, 18 year old freshmen, I think they have potential. I don't think they're ready for FBS right now, but I think with the proper marketing, they have potential to create their own space and lure decent recruits and coaches.

btw, I think its crazy to think that a GaSt or a GaSou won't ever beat tech. See Middle Tn State. Sorry TP.
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Umm, they've won 3 games in 2 years. Pretty sure that had a lot to do with attendance. If they were to come out and go undefeated next year they'd easily put 30k in the dome going forward. Not to mention that after year one, the schedule switched to a CAA schedule in which the home games consisted of CAU (which drew 25K), ODU, Murray State, South Alabama, Lambuth, Campbell, SCSU, UTSA, Richmond, New Hampshire, Villanova & ODU again. Now really, aside from South Alabama how many of those teams do you think brought more than a handful of people? Not to mention the fact that, again, they won 3 games in 2 years.

We all know how Atlanta works. If you win people show up, well except if you're GT unless you're playing UGA, VT or Clemson.
 



I've been to a Georgia State game......There is a great deal of potential there. Like it or not, they will be FBS and in the Sunbelt shortly. Kennesaw State is about to start a football program as well. Don't expect them to be FCS forever either. These colleges in Metro Atlanta are bursting at the seams with students with this increasing population. And yes these numbers are relevant. GA. State is just doing what Florida Atlantic and FIU did. You can't stunt the progression of these maturing schools based on a suppressive opinion. I have no idea why TP is acting brand new. :lol: :emlaugh:
 
unknown1 said:
YOU DONT HAVE TALENT EITHER lol...and you actually had a coaching staff that attempted to win in a BCS conference running the triple option. Please stop responding.
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We have won a BCS conference running a triple option. You please stop responding. The triple option works.
 
mighty hornet said:
btw, I think its crazy to think that a GaSt or a GaSou won't ever beat tech. See Middle Tn State. Sorry TP.
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We lost to MTSU, Kansas, and other sorry schools but we also came right back and broke a yardage record on Kansas and we whooped MTSU twice. They would not beat us again. Just like GaSo and GaState won't.

Don't get me wrong, I wish GaState the best but that still does not change the fact that they are not a 1-A school.
 
unknown1 said:
We all know how Atlanta works. If you win people show up, well except if you're GT unless you're playing UGA, VT or Clemson.
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You have to have fans for them to show up. South Alabama don't have any fans either so I am sure that is a wash. If GaState NEEDS other teams to draw a crowd for them, they def need to be D1-AA. GaTech draws 40-45K regardless of opponent. Tech plays an attractive schedule so our fans want to come out to see them. GaStates best opponents to date have been CAU and SCState :rolleyes:

MH,

18 year olds on campus or not, a GaState game vs Louisiana-Layfayette is not the place to be. Also, students now adays have much better things to do. I am sure you read where UGA is taking some of the seats from their students and selling them in deals to recent grads because the students won't show up. GaState students won't even know its a game that day.
 
jstate83 said:
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YOU GOT TO HAVE SPORTS TO HAVE FANS!!!!!!!
THEY JUST STARTED TP. Give them time to learn how to tailgate and get drunk properly before you write them off as 1A. :lol:
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Bruh.. they DO have sports. I even went there when I was at tech to watch Southern whoop them in basketball in a empty gym. It was more SWAC people there than GaState fans. That is my point. They don't have fans. They don't have a culture of sports-loving fans. GaState students will be at Tech, UGA or AUC games before they go to their own. If you are a student at GaState and you are playing Troy that day, but your HS friends at UGA invite you over to a game or your HS friends at Tech invite you over to a game or it's Homecoming in the AUC.. where you going? :lol: Ain't nothing to attract students or the local community to a GaState game vs those sorry schools they will be playing. Next year, tech is playing Pitt, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, UGA, and North Carolina at home. You gotta be REAL bored to go to GaState vs South Alabama instead. They don't have not ONE die-hard fan yet. No one in the entire world grew up as a GaState football fan. :lol:

Also, I am not writing them off but hell, build some traditions, and play some games first.
 
Tigerpride said:
Bruh.. they DO have sports. I even went there when I was at tech to watch Southern whoop them in basketball in a empty gym. It was more SWAC people there than GaState fans. That is my point. They don't have fans.
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TP,
Those were the days that I were speaking about. Heck, when Spivery was at ASU, he used to regularly schedule GaSt in Atl and ASU fans used to always equal or outnumber them in their own arena. :lol:
Those were the days before they became traditional (dorms, younger students, etc). But you gotta realize that the GaSt that you knew when you were in Atl aint the same GaSt now. No, they aren't ready to draw 50K to a game, but you would be crazy to not realize the potential there.
 
UAH use to be the same way in Huntsville. Now they are more of a traditional vs commuter their games be packed. They actually have been to the final 4 in DII and would beat us in B Ball bad.
 
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