Question for you UAPB folks


G Lion said:
I disagree uca really doesn't recruit Ark. as much since they have gone DI, if you look at their roster they have more kids froms from TX, south LA and Mississippi juco's. We haven't gone head to head with them to much but when we do we got our share of players. Their facilities are not any better than ours but what they do have is more support staff which makes a differences.
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Moving from DII to D1 means stiffer academic requirements, so UCA has to open its recruitment base up to a wider area (ie TX) to get students who will qualify. UCA is trying to be an ALTERNATIVE to Razorback football in Arkansas. That means that their fan base would include fans within a 100 miles radius, both black and white fans. Their recruiting base is even larger. Playing UCA doesn't improve the in-state recruiting base at all for either school. To get in-state D1 caliber athletes who qualify, they both are competing against out of state programs moreso than each other. When UAPB plays those D2 schools and gets their azz kicked, they are basically sending recruits to the D2 schools!

Has you guys ever seen the Razorbacks play any in-state school in any sport? Wonder why? They have everything to lose and nothing to gain. The Razorbacks would rather play UL-Monroe in Little Rock and let it be a home game for UL-Monroe than to play Arkansas State. They can't afford to let the fans and recruits in Arkansas even think that another program can compete with the Razorbacks. In 1984, Nolan's first year as head coach, Arkansas played Arkansas State in the NIT post season tournament. A-State had Arkansas down by 20 points. Nolan daughter was dying from a disease and all the fans wanted him out. Arkansas rallied back behind a lil white kid named Cannon Whitney and beat A-State in overtime. Had Nolan lost this game, he would have been gone. Arkansas had nothing to gain from this game.

Same for UAPB. As long as UAPB doesn't play UCA or any other state school, then UAPB is at worse the 3rd choice for football in the state. We are the 3rd oldest D1 program in Arkansas behind UA and A-State. As soon as we start playing in-state schools and they win or even compete, then we start to lose our recruiting edge. UCA already has more money, but they don't have the reputation just yet.

This totally different than Texas where in state games are required to get recruits.
 
Da_Sperm said:
Moving from DII to D1 means stiffer academic requirements, so UCA has to open its recruitment base up to a wider area (ie TX) to get students who will qualify. UCA is trying to be an ALTERNATIVE to Razorback football in Arkansas. That means that their fan base would include fans within a 100 miles radius, both black and white fans. Their recruiting base is even larger. Playing UCA doesn't improve the in-state recruiting base at all for either school. To get in-state D1 caliber athletes who qualify, they both are competing against out of state programs moreso than each other. When UAPB plays those D2 schools and gets their azz kicked, they are basically sending recruits to the D2 schools!

Has you guys ever seen the Razorbacks play any in-state school in any sport? Wonder why? They have everything to lose and nothing to gain. The Razorbacks would rather play UL-Monroe in Little Rock and let it be a home game for UL-Monroe than to play Arkansas State. They can't afford to let the fans and recruits in Arkansas even think that another program can compete with the Razorbacks. In 1984, Nolan's first year as head coach, Arkansas played Arkansas State in the NIT post season tournament. A-State had Arkansas down by 20 points. Nolan daughter was dying from a disease and all the fans wanted him out. Arkansas rallied back behind a lil white kid named Cannon Whitney and beat A-State in overtime. Had Nolan lost this game, he would have been gone. Arkansas had nothing to gain from this game.

Same for UAPB. As long as UAPB doesn't play UCA or any other state school, then UAPB is at worse the 3rd choice for football in the state. We are the 3rd oldest D1 program in Arkansas behind UA and A-State. As soon as we start playing in-state schools and they win or even compete, then we start to lose our recruiting edge. UCA already has more money, but they don't have the reputation just yet.

This totally different than Texas where in state games are required to get recruits.
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I agree with everything! Besides, What SWAC school competes well with other In-state schools outside of the SWAC? Better yet, Why don't SWAC schools play UCA, Arkansas St., UAM, Henderson St.?
 



Well, I go on record stating that I would like to see Grambling play every school in the State of Louisiana at some point in the Port City Classic to open the season. Of course we know LSU is out...but the others. Let's do it...
 
AAMU played Henderson St and beat them to sleep when Cooper was here. We also beat Jacksonvill St when Cooper was here.
 
UAM beat UAPB pretty bad two years and a row and so did Henderson, then UAM beat Southern pretty bad at Southern. When a D2 only can offer HALF the scholarships as a D1, they get creative and go get D1 non-qualifiers who can qualify for financial aid and give them a partial scholarship on top of that, now the athlete is playing and get an education totally FREE, as opposed to the D1 who gets a less talented fully-qualified athlete.
UCA is trying to become the next TROY.
 
G Lion said:
Not everyone shares gliongirl's oppinion, I believe we can complete and welcome the competition. But some people still have that mindset that they are not as good as the other folks. I believe i'm as good as anybody and better than most!!!!
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You damn right, GLion! :clap::)

You're correct......we used to play UCA, even back when Cooley was the coach, the UAPB/UCA game was one of our biggest.....white and black heavily attended that game! And when Craig Curry was AD, he did stupidly book another game on the day we were to play UCA, even though UAPB had signed a 2-yr contract with UCA!:retard: In my opinion, that game should have been the very first game scheduled.......UAPB broke that contract and was supposed to pay UCA $25,000 for reneging!

I too think my boys are just as good as UAM, Henderson, UCA.......but they have to get out there and play each game as their lives depended on it. Play each game hard, play smart, play tough, play all 4 quarters! I personally would like to see us go against those schools and Tennessee State. The more competition, the better. And I don't think school enrollment has anything to do with it..........Grambling State held Lousiana Tech until the 4thQ. They didn't win, but they COMPETED!!!! That's what gets schools noticed.....the level of competition.
 
MikeBigg said:
Well, I go on record stating that I would like to see Grambling play every school in the State of Louisiana at some point in the Port City Classic to open the season. Of course we know LSU is out...but the others. Let's do it...
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I agree......I would like to see UAPB play every school in Arkansas......I don't think we've played Jonesboro (Arkansas State), Southern Arkansas University (SAU in Magnolia), or the Razornecks. It's good publicity, it's good business, it's good for our football program, and it's another football game on the schedule for me to attend.
 
Sperm, I hear what you guys are saying but at the end of the day, you can't be scared. I think JSU had that same mentality with Delta State. Then we played them and lost but our fan base was hard on Comegy for the loss. We didn't care that DSU was a top D2 team. We STILL took the chance and played them again. At the end of the day, UAPB should be just as attractive as UCA and they should be more attractive than any D2. If your coach can't beat the D2s or out-recruit them, you need a better coach. Recruiting is his job!
 
Tigerpride said:
Sperm, I hear what you guys are saying but at the end of the day, you can't be scared. I think JSU had that same mentality with Delta State. Then we played them and lost but our fan base was hard on Comegy for the loss. We didn't care that DSU was a top D2 team. We STILL took the chance and played them again. At the end of the day, UAPB should be just as attractive as UCA and they should be more attractive than any D2. If your coach can't beat the D2s or out-recruit them, you need a better coach. Recruiting is his job!
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Say it again.
 
Tigerpride said:
Sperm, I hear what you guys are saying but at the end of the day, you can't be scared. I think JSU had that same mentality with Delta State. Then we played them and lost but our fan base was hard on Comegy for the loss. We didn't care that DSU was a top D2 team. We STILL took the chance and played them again. At the end of the day, UAPB should be just as attractive as UCA and they should be more attractive than any D2. If your coach can't beat the D2s or out-recruit them, you need a better coach. Recruiting is his job!
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TP, I hear you, too. I think Coach Coleman is doing a pretty good job, but there is always room for improvement. And UAPB is as attractive as UCA, and despite what some of my alumni think, we are more attractive than UAM and Henderson. I for one am not scared to play any school.........as long as my boys put forth some effort and play tough and don't back down, I'm good. When we played New Mexico State University the first time, they under-estimated us. We hung in there with them, and played them so hard that one of our defensive players sacked/tackled/hit their QB so hard he broke his ribs. The score was tied at 17......NMSU was so upset, they called that QB back into the game.......he was able to put them into FG range and they kicked a FG with 17 seconds left in the game. So, UAPB is capable of playing big teams, as well as the not so bigger squads. It sometimes isn't about winning or losing or money......it's about respect and how you play the game.:)
 
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96lioness we agree!! We lost to uam to years in a row and we still beat them out for recruites, their coach was mad to. We beat out Asu for a 3 star lb last year, he was to start instead of the Harris kid but tore his acl in the fall. ( they had plan to redshirt the Harris kid) and we have lost more kids to Missouri state in the past few years than we have to uca !


MB - I think the fans would love going to shreveport every other year. But you would need to find sponsors who are willing to buy into Fitz Hill's vision. I'm sure literacy is a problem in La too!
 
MikeBigg said:
Serious Question...

Do you think it would benefit both Gram and Pine Bluff to keep the Delta Literacy Classic but expand it to include Louisiana and Arkansas "Chapters" with the games alternated between Little Rock and Shreveport? For Grambling, this would mean two games in Shreveport in certain years which I like...and for UAPB, it would mean at least one game in Louisiana each year (if scheduled initially opposite SU's trip to PB) and expose UAPB to Shreveport and East Texas students/recruits. The game can still be a success for all concerned with such an arrangement. The alternate site might actually boast attendance at each venue. Recent games have been very competitive...we need to expose it more!
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That, Mike, is a point I actually never considered.......and it is a damn good one!:) I've always believed that UAPB is as good a school as any, but we have administration in place that are too cheap to put us "out on the market". The back-and-forth game is a wonderful way to put UAPB's name out there around the Eastern Texas region.....and even in Arkansas. In the southern part of Arkansas (El Dorado, Magnolia, Camden, Texarkana, etc), more people know about Grambling than they do about UAPB!
 
G Lion said:
96lioness we agree!! We lost to uam to years in a row and we still beat them out for recruites, their coach was mad to. We beat out Asu for a 3 star lb last year, he was to start instead of the Harris kid but tore his acl in the fall. ( they had plan to redshirt the Harris kid) and we have lost more kids to Missouri state in the past few years than we have to uca !


MB - I think the fans would love going to shreveport every other year. But you would need to find sponsors who are willing to buy into Fitz Hill's vision. I'm sure literacy is a problem in La too!
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I think the respective AD's of the University could work with Dr. Hill to see what type sponsorship can be obtained and partnered with the Delta 4 Literacy Classic. Literacy is definitely a problem in Louisiana, in fact the entire country. I just think that adding some Louisiana Stakeholders would add more to both the fundraising efforts and growth of the game.
 
MikeBigg said:
I think the respective AD's of the University could work with Dr. Hill to see what type sponsorship can be obtained and partnered with the Delta 4 Literacy Classic. Literacy is definitely a problem in Louisiana, in fact the entire country. I just think that adding some Louisiana Stakeholders would add more to both the fundraising efforts and growth of the game.
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To be honest I had my doubts at first regarding the D4L Classic, but it appears that the people of Little Rock are embracing that event (as long as the weather conditions stay ideal). I say leave it alone and allow it to grow. For both schools, it's revenue on a yearly basis. Doing a home and home would eliminate annual revenue for each school.
 



Tigerpride said:
Sperm, I hear what you guys are saying but at the end of the day, you can't be scared. I think JSU had that same mentality with Delta State. Then we played them and lost but our fan base was hard on Comegy for the loss. We didn't care that DSU was a top D2 team. We STILL took the chance and played them again. At the end of the day, UAPB should be just as attractive as UCA and they should be more attractive than any D2. If your coach can't beat the D2s or out-recruit them, you need a better coach. Recruiting is his job!
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Could you send this to Huntsville.
 
SAME OLD G said:
To be honest I had my doubts at first regarding the D4L Classic, but it appears that the people of Little Rock are embracing that event (as long as the weather conditions stay ideal). I say leave it alone and allow it to grow. For both schools, it's revenue on a yearly basis. Doing a home and home would eliminate annual revenue for each school.
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What if the "home and home" is Shreveport and Little Rock instead of on campus? I'm talking about some possible arrangement that rotates the Delta 4 Literacy Classic between those two "neutral" sites.
 
Tigerpride said:
Sperm, I hear what you guys are saying but at the end of the day, you can't be scared. I think JSU had that same mentality with Delta State. Then we played them and lost but our fan base was hard on Comegy for the loss. We didn't care that DSU was a top D2 team. We STILL took the chance and played them again. At the end of the day, UAPB should be just as attractive as UCA and they should be more attractive than any D2. If your coach can't beat the D2s or out-recruit them, you need a better coach. Recruiting is his job!
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Scared is not the issue, its nothing to gain from it. Like I said earlier, UA doesn't play in state competition not because they are scared, its because UA has nothing to gain from it. Out-recruiting a D2 isn't a fair comparison. If a kid is a D1 athlete out of high school, they will go D1. D2 are usually D2 calibar because of skillset, size, or grades. UAPB is under the same recruiting rules as the football programs in the SEC, D2 schools are not.
 
Tigerpride said:
Sperm, I hear what you guys are saying but at the end of the day, you can't be scared. I think JSU had that same mentality with Delta State. Then we played them and lost but our fan base was hard on Comegy for the loss. We didn't care that DSU was a top D2 team. We STILL took the chance and played them again. At the end of the day, UAPB should be just as attractive as UCA and they should be more attractive than any D2. If your coach can't beat the D2s or out-recruit them, you need a better coach. Recruiting is his job!
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Scared is not the issue, its nothing to gain from it. Like I said earlier, UA doesn't play in state competition not because they are scared, its because UA has nothing to gain from it. Out-recruiting a D2 isn't a fair comparison. If a kid is a D1 athlete out of high school, they will go D1. D2 are usually D2 calibar because of skillset, size, or grades. UAPB is under the same recruiting rules as the football programs in the SEC, D2 schools are not.
 
MikeBigg said:
What if the "home and home" is Shreveport and Little Rock instead of on campus? I'm talking about some possible arrangement that rotates the Delta 4 Literacy Classic between those two "neutral" sites.
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Well as with most classics, in addition to both schools involved, the community has to support the game as well for it to be a success (in my opinion). And to be honest, I don't have enough confidence in the Shreveport community to be able to support such a game (based on past experiences). The game in Little Rock seems to be growing every year. I say just leave it there.
 
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