Pay Tithes or Get Shot- Creflo Dollar


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RB

The bible has spoken; therefore, your preacher cannot teach me anything about the bible. The giving of ten percent was the minimum to give. However, in the NT, we are to give as we prosper.

Considering, all the preacher on TV, you selected to follow Murray, why? Why not Price or some of the other’s on TV, have you ever visited his church?
 
RB

The bible has spoken; therefore, your preacher cannot teach me anything about the bible. The giving of ten percent was the minimum to give. However, in the NT, we are to give as we prosper.

Considering, all the preacher on TV, you selected to follow Murray, why? Why not Price or some of the other’s on TV, have you ever visited his church?

I learn more about the bible studying with Murray, than I have with any preacher. Like I stated before, you can't disagree with what he stated about tithes, and you know this......
 



okay

I guess people are stuck believing this 10% tithing thing cause mamma
and grandmamma use to talk about it, and preachers try to guilt trip you
into believing it applies to today, by quoting Malachi, but they never ask that preacher how come you don't guilt trip us about the other laws in the old testament.

I don't have time right now to post all the scriptures concerning tithing
but I will and dacon. you better get your Bible and what ever else you may need because I'm gonna show you and whoever
taught you if need be that tithing is NOT a command of God for us today.
Every time you say tithing you are discrediting Jesus' death and the whole New Testament

Post whatever you like ... but before you go dredging up a lot of stuff on my account, look around and see if you can find anywhere that I said that tithing was a command of the New Testament. I don't think you will find that. What you will find is

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Tithing was really a schoolmaster. We should be giving in the 20-30% range in the New Testament.

Yes, I do believe that we give as we prosper. Tithing is just a good baseline for where the new believer can start. The principle is there and it is a great help to the local church. Add offering and times of sacrifice. Add almsgiving to help others. It doesn't take much to get to 20+% without thinking much about it.

Far too little attention is given to God's promise given in Malachi 3. He simply says this: "Let Me prove it to you."
In other words, start giving the tithe and offerings in faith and see if He is telling the truth about it. When He lays it out on the table like that, the implication is that if He does not prove Himself, then you don't need to continue and none of the warnings apply to you. This is what I found out: He is surely trustworthy in this area ... so much so that I am constantly looking to increase in giving because He is constantly restoring to me more than enough [El Shaddai].

The EVIDENCE is indisputable.
 
JayRob is Satan's son.

Typical of religious folks, primarily Christians. If a person doesn't agree with THEIR train of thought, it's the devil or satan's fault. Heck, Christians have a habit of calling other Christians "the devil or satan. Go figure. LOL!!

Why can't you just say that it's MY right as a human being to disagree with the inconsistent and distorted writings of a book created, plagiarized and promoted by folks who majored in mind control?
 
Typical of religious folks, primarily Christians. If a person doesn't agree with THEIR train of thought, it's the devil or satan's fault. Heck, Christians have a habit of calling other Christians "the devil or satan. Go figure. LOL!!

Why can't you just say that it's MY right as a human being to disagree with the inconsistent and distorted writings of a book created, plagiarized and promoted by folks who majored in mind control?
It is JayRob's right, as a human being, to make his own choices about any and every thing.
 
It is JayRob's right, as a human being, to make his own choices about any and every thing.

You left out the parts about the plagiarisms, inconsistentencies and distorted writings of the Bible, given by illiterate nomads and further utilized by Romans and all that followed for the purpose of controlling the masses. My, have they done a magnificent job of doing what they initially set out to do.

Thank goodness I don't have to worry my time with paying a tenth of my money to self-made religious charlatans like Creflo and I surely don't have to concern my mind with being burned in a hell fire forever and ever and ever. Now THAT'S true freedom.
 
You left out the parts about the plagiarisms, inconsistentencies and distorted writings of the Bible, given by illiterate nomads and further utilized by Romans and all that followed for the purpose of controlling the masses. My, have they done a magnificent job of doing what they initially set out to do...

Any and every thing included whatever comes to your mind. So, I left out NOTHING and the onus is all yours.

...Thank goodness I don't have to worry my time with paying a tenth of my money to self-made religious charlatans like Creflo and I surely don't have to concern my mind with being burned in a hell fire forever and ever and ever. Now THAT'S true freedom.
Amen. I can freely give all that I want and have the full expectation of the blessings that God promised to flow through my life. I have taught it to my children and they will teach it to their children so the cycle of blessing continues from generation to generation. Wow!! A family legacy of giving and blessing. I REALLY like that.
 
Don't get me wrong now. I agree whole heartly about paying tithes, but I also realize that I had to get to the financial point where I could afford to pay tithes. God also gave me common sense. If I know my rent is gotta be paid on Monday, and I take my rent money and give it to the church, my rent want be paid on Monday. I have to have the common sense to know God blessed me with the money to pay my rent. He knows where my heart is and if I can't afford ti give tithes, he already knows that. Also there is no where in the bible that says 10% is the exact amount. No where. It does not give a number. Man made that number up. It says be a cheerful giver. Also the part we as humans over look is he said give from your heart. If you giving because the pastor told you to and because you thank you going to heaven for giving, you ain't giving from your heart.
Not singling you out and I understand what you are saying but the fact remains that the tithe is your FIRST tenth, not your last tenth. It's not what you pay after you pay rent, bills, by stuff for yourself, etc. It's the first tenth of your income.

You have to believe that God can do more for you with your 90% and than you can do when you keep the whole 100%.

Tithing is a spiritual principle that works. When give "what's in their heart to give" that usually means $1, or $5, or maybe a $20 here and there. That's what's in their heart for God? Then they say "God knows my heart". Yeah, we do to if you put the same $1 in church every week.
 
dacon "your works are like filthy rags"

you should have read that somewhere

Sure.
Isa 64:6
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags ; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
KJV

And...
John 3:16-21

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


And...

1 John 4:6-14

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.



So, it is really great to be free.
 
Any and every thing included whatever comes to your mind. So, I left out NOTHING and the onus is all yours.


Amen. I can freely give all that I want and have the full expectation of the blessings that God promised to flow through my life. I have taught it to my children and they will teach it to their children so the cycle of blessing continues from generation to generation. Wow!! A family legacy of giving and blessing. I REALLY like that.

And like most professing Christians, you have to worry that you and your family will be spared from an ever burning hell fire that won't burn you up, but a fire that will torture you forever and ever and ever. Wow, what a loving god to propose such a punishment.

You and others are bound by this fate if you "slip up". Thank goodness, I don't have to worry about such nonsensical foolishness being taught by religious folks who probably don't believe half the stuff they're preaching any how.
 
And like most professing Christians, you have to worry that you and your family will be spared from an ever burning hell fire that won't burn you up, but a fire that will torture you forever and ever and ever. Wow, what a loving god to propose such a punishment.

You and others are bound by this fate if you "slip up". Thank goodness, I don't have to worry about such nonsensical foolishness being taught by religious folks who probably don't believe half the stuff they're preaching any how.
  1. One of the wonderful things about Christianity is that salvation is PERSONAL. Yes, I want everyone in my legacy to be saved. If I had my way about it, I would make it mandatory. That's one of the reasons that I am NOT God...because I would probably also removes some others from the gene pool. But, for the people who will follow me, my job is to simply set the example of godliness and integrity. The decision to live for Christ will be theirs alone.
  2. My "fate" is captured in Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Let's see: He died in my place so I could live forever. All I need to do is to surrender my life to Him, love Him, and allow Him to love me. [thinking...] Okay! That sounds like a great deal to me! I don't concern myself with slipping up; I spend time studying and practicing righteous living.

I thank God I don't have to sit around waiting to die in sin and to go to hell.
 
  1. One of the wonderful things about Christianity is that salvation is PERSONAL. Yes, I want everyone in my legacy to be saved. If I had my way about it, I would make it mandatory. That's one of the reasons that I am NOT God...because I would probably also removes some others from the gene pool. But, for the people who will follow me, my job is to simply set the example of godliness and integrity. The decision to live for Christ will be theirs alone.
  2. My "fate" is captured in Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Let's see: He died in my place so I could live forever. All I need to do is to surrender my life to Him, love Him, and allow Him to love me. [thinking...] Okay! That sounds like a great deal to me! I don't concern myself with slipping up; I spend time studying and practicing righteous living.

I thank God I don't have to sit around waiting to die in sin and to go to hell.

So, you've signed your own ticket to heaven? According to Christianity, you have no idea where you're going. Everytime you break one of the laws of the bible, you're under the death penalty of hell. You have no choice but to concern yourself with that, whether you want to admit it or not.
 
So, you've signed your own ticket to heaven? According to Christianity, you have no idea where you're going. Everytime you break one of the laws of the bible, you're under the death penalty of hell. You have no choice but to concern yourself with that, whether you want to admit it or not.

Even though we have gone WA--A-A-A-AY :topic:, according to Christianity:

1 John 5:10-13
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

That, sir, is my punched ticket, left as my inheritance nearly 2000 years before I was born. Why? Because He first chose me and I later agreed to be His son.
 



And like most professing Christians, you have to worry that you and your family will be spared from an ever burning hell fire that won't burn you up, but a fire that will torture you forever and ever and ever. Wow, what a loving god to propose such a punishment.

I never read in the bible where it stated unrepented sinners will burn by fire forever, however I did read where it stated God will perish souls and turn them to ashes. If that be the case, how can one be tortured eternally if they're turned into ashes? The last time I checked, it's "IMPOSSIBLE" to set fire to something that has perished. Do you barbecue with the same coals that have already been burned to ashes?
 
Even though we have gone WA--A-A-A-AY :topic:, according to Christianity:

1 John 5:10-13
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

That, sir, is my punched ticket, left as my inheritance nearly 2000 years before I was born. Why? Because He first chose me and I later agreed to be His son.

So you're putting your sins off on another person rather than accepting responsibility for your own actions? How convenient.
This gives humans the right to blame their mistakes on another person. Wow.

With the statutes and commands in the Bible, it's impossible for any human to make it to heaven anyhow. One is even judged a sinner for thought crimes for crying out loud. If one even THINKS about fornicating, he/she's guilty. How logical is that and what human can overcome that? No one.

The Bible is so contradicting that it's laughable. For one, the human spirit cannot die, thus making the need for a resurrection useless and a thing such as hell fire useless. What kind of fire burns and burns without burning up it's contents? None. Can physical fire burn spirit?

The hell fire story is totally fear-based and a fable used by men like Creflo and many many others to control, manipulate, steal and pillage from unsuspecting people. Shame, shame, shame.
 
I never read in the bible where it stated unrepented sinners will burn by fire forever, however I did read where it stated God will perish souls and turn them to ashes. If that be the case, how can one be tortured eternally if they're turned into ashes? The last time I checked, it's "IMPOSSIBLE" to set fire to something that has perished. Do you barbecue with the same coals that have already been burned to ashes?

RB, you may have never read it, but some of your fellow-Christians teach such a notion, the notion that humans will burn and burn forever in hellfire. Just shows that within Christianity, there's so much division that Christians can't even agree on such basic teacings as hell fire.

Anyhow, how logical is it to raise a dead person, (whose body has already turned to ashes), back up just to kill him again and turn the body BACK to ashes again? LOL!!

How can the human spirit be burned up with physical fire?
What's the use of a resurrection if the human body dies but not the human spirit?
In short, hell fire is nothing more than a made up fable used by religious folks and copied from earlier religions, to control and manipulate humans.
 
Anyhow, how logical is it to raise a dead person, (whose body has already turned to ashes), back up just to kill him again and turn the body BACK to ashes again? LOL!!

How can the human spirit be burned up with physical fire?
What's the use of a resurrection if the human body dies but not the human spirit?
In short, hell fire is nothing more than a made up fable used by religious folks and copied from earlier religions, to control and manipulate humans.

Where did you read ashes being raised to flesh?

The human soul can burn and perish because God is a consuming fire. The fire holds 2 offices, it can warm and comfort us; and it can also burn and destroy us. Open the link for a better understanding on the biblical level.

The resurrection is about your soul being resurrected into a new body. It's a spiritual explanation of what happens when we die. Paul stated he doesn't want Christians ignorant to what happens when we die. The soul steps into a spiritual body....that simple.

God is A Consuming Fire

A Sermon by Dr. Neil Chadwick

The Bible speaks often about fire. For example, one Old Testament prophet used it as a symbol of God's cleansing power.

You see, even while we love to sing the songs about God's great love, we cannot avoid this other truth about God - He is a "Consuming Fire", and no matter how hard we try, we can't outrun God. But listen to the pleading of our Leader. He lays Himself down in the path of the fire, and all who follow Him shall be saved.

Malachi ends his book with another reference to fire; it's a stern warning and a wonderful promise, all in one passage.

"'Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,' says the LORD Almighty. 'Not a root or a branch will be left to them. But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall.'" (Malachi 4:1,2)

http://joyfulministry.com/consume.htm
 
Where did you read ashes being raised to flesh?

The human soul can burn and perish because God is a consuming fire. The fire holds 2 offices, it can warm and comfort us; and it can also burn and destroy us. Open the link for a better understanding on the biblical level.

The resurrection is about your soul being resurrected into a new body. It's a spiritual explanation of what happens when we die. Paul stated he doesn't want Christians ignorant to what happens when we die. The soul steps into a spiritual body....that simple.

God is A Consuming Fire

A Sermon by Dr. Neil Chadwick

The Bible speaks often about fire. For example, one Old Testament prophet used it as a symbol of God's cleansing power.

You see, even while we love to sing the songs about God's great love, we cannot avoid this other truth about God - He is a "Consuming Fire", and no matter how hard we try, we can't outrun God. But listen to the pleading of our Leader. He lays Himself down in the path of the fire, and all who follow Him shall be saved.

Malachi ends his book with another reference to fire; it's a stern warning and a wonderful promise, all in one passage.

"'Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire,' says the LORD Almighty. 'Not a root or a branch will be left to them. But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall.'" (Malachi 4:1,2)

http://joyfulministry.com/consume.htm

RB, how many times are you just going to make stuff up out of thin air? Call it dust or ashes, the Bible still claims that dead folks will be raised up just to be killed again. Makes no sense at all.

Second, I said nothing about a "soul". I clearly asked the question about the "human spirit" being burned by fire. Where is the claim in the Bible that spirit can burn in physical fire? You know that I said "spirit". Don't play dumb.

Third, how can a "soul" enter into a body when the body IS the soul? Your statement makes no sense at all. Read Ezekiel 18 for more info.

If the human spirit is eternal, there's no need for a resurrection, plain and simple. Even in the Bible, there's no evidence showing that the human spirit dies.

Fourth, the verse you quoted in Malachi refers to a pagan god or it would never have said "sun". It would've said "son" of righteousness.
 
RB, how many times are you just going to make stuff up out of thin air? Call it dust or ashes, the Bible still claims that dead folks will be raised up just to be killed again. Makes no sense at all.

Second, I said nothing about a "soul". I clearly asked the question about the "human spirit" being burned by fire. Where is the claim in the Bible that spirit can burn in physical fire? You know that I said "spirit". Don't play dumb.

Third, how can a "soul" enter into a body when the body IS the soul? Your statement makes no sense at all. Read Ezekiel 18 for more info.

If the human spirit is eternal, there's no need for a resurrection, plain and simple. Even in the Bible, there's no evidence showing that the human spirit dies.

Fourth, the verse you quoted in Malachi refers to a pagan god or it would never have said "sun". It would've said "son" of righteousness.

JayRob, I shared my opinion, and there is nothing else I can do to help you understand. Only God can open your eyes to the spiritual understanding of Christianity.
 
So you're putting your sins off on another person rather than accepting responsibility for your own actions? How convenient.
This gives humans the right to blame their mistakes on another person. Wow.

With the statutes and commands in the Bible, it's impossible for any human to make it to heaven anyhow. One is even judged a sinner for thought crimes for crying out loud. If one even THINKS about fornicating, he/she's guilty. How logical is that and what human can overcome that? No one.

The Bible is so contradicting that it's laughable. For one, the human spirit cannot die, thus making the need for a resurrection useless and a thing such as hell fire useless. What kind of fire burns and burns without burning up it's contents? None. Can physical fire burn spirit?

The hell fire story is totally fear-based and a fable used by men like Creflo and many many others to control, manipulate, steal and pillage from unsuspecting people. Shame, shame, shame.

It has taken me a while, but I am starting to understand you. You want to be God's peer - on His level.

Though I accepted the responsibility for my sins, the Judge ruled me free because He paid the penalty Himself. You would have me be in contempt with Him or break other laws by casting myself into jail. That would be extremely foolish. The same fella that showed all of the statutes in the Bible could be lived and even sins of the mind/heart can be washed away in the twinkling of an eye is the Judge ... and He runs the whole universe.

Me...I am no longer concerned for my own eternal existance in Hell. I am simply trying to round up more folks who want to live abundantly on earth and eternally in Heaven with the Judge and me. The provision has been made and the opportunity is open to anyone who will agree to the offering.

For those who choose not live for the Judge, Hell should be a fearful place. It sounds like a horrible place - especially to be there eternally. When I heard that the offer to accept the Judge's love also meant that I would not go to Hell, it was a great bonus. What a deal! However, in my experience, I have found that the fear of Hell is not motivating for righteous living.

As you alluded, anything can be abused. So, I will agree with you about any persons who would use the fear of Hell to try to control people. That is akin to witchcraft, and God's Word does not approve of such. I would say the same for a doctrine of grace that does not emphasize righteous living as a motivation. And again for any teaching or even recommendation to ignore what the Bible says. They are all shameful.

So...here it is:

Matt 10:28

And fear [phobeo: have reverence for] not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him [God, the Judge] which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

My exhoration is to love the One who commands you; He owns and watches for your soul.
 
JayRob, I shared my opinion, and there is nothing else I can do to help you understand. Only God can open your eyes to the spiritual understanding of Christianity.

Sounds like this is your subtle way of saying you screwed up and dug yourself in a ditch, a ditch you can't get out of. Now you resort to falling back on old reliable.....putting it in "god's" hands. Seems like someone needs to open your eyes to your contradicting statements.
 
It has taken me a while, but I am starting to understand you. You want to be God's peer - on His level.

Though I accepted the responsibility for my sins, the Judge ruled me free because He paid the penalty Himself. You would have me be in contempt with Him or break other laws by casting myself into jail. That would be extremely foolish. The same fella that showed all of the statutes in the Bible could be lived and even sins of the mind/heart can be washed away in the twinkling of an eye is the Judge ... and He runs the whole universe.

Me...I am no longer concerned for my own eternal existance in Hell. I am simply trying to round up more folks who want to live abundantly on earth and eternally in Heaven with the Judge and me. The provision has been made and the opportunity is open to anyone who will agree to the offering.

For those who choose not live for the Judge, Hell should be a fearful place. It sounds like a horrible place - especially to be there eternally. When I heard that the offer to accept the Judge's love also meant that I would not go to Hell, it was a great bonus. What a deal! However, in my experience, I have found that the fear of Hell is not motivating for righteous living.

As you alluded, anything can be abused. So, I will agree with you about any persons who would use the fear of Hell to try to control people. That is akin to witchcraft, and God's Word does not approve of such. I would say the same for a doctrine of grace that does not emphasize righteous living as a motivation. And again for any teaching or even recommendation to ignore what the Bible says. They are all shameful.

So...here it is:

Matt 10:28

And fear [phobeo: have reverence for] not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him [God, the Judge] which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

My exhoration is to love the One who commands you; He owns and watches for your soul.

Huh, I want to be on god's level? What god is this you speak of? Surely you're not referring to the OT god, the same god worshipped by the Jews and Muslims.

Your purpose, I presume, is to gain eternal life. My point is that there's no use for the resurrection if no one dies to begin with. This would blow several of the major pillars of Christianity right out of the water. There would certainly be no need for a hell fire, no need for a resurrection and there would certainly be no need to follow a religion that's basically a roundabout copy of dozens of religions that came before it.

It amazes me that folks who are Muslims think they're right, folks who are Jews think they're right and folks who claim to be Christian, who think they're right. The main commonality is that ALL three believe in the SAME god, yet all are at each other's throats for no legitimate reason at all.

Last but certainly not least, all three teach that it's ethical and moral for a human being to place on the shoulders of another entity THEIR sins, instead of taking responsibility for their OWN actions. In the old testament, it's called "scapegoating". This is neither ethical or moral. Thank goodness our criminal justice system hasn't been reduced to following such distorted priciples.
 
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Huh, I want to be on god's level? What god is this you speak of? Surely you're not referring to the OT god, the same god worshipped by the Jews and Muslims. ...
There are lots of gods mentioned in the OT. I am not referring to any of them. Allah is not mentioned there but in the Koran; so I am not referring to him either. I refer to God - aka Elohiym, El Shaddai, Adonai Jehovah, El Elyon, Ehyeh Sher Ehyeh, etc. Eternal life is already mine. I accepted it as a gift.

Your purpose, I presume, is to gain eternal life. My point is that there's no use for the resurrection if no one dies to begin with. This would blow several of the major pillars of Christianity right out of the water. There would certainly be no need for a hell fire, no need for a resurrection and there would certainly be no need to follow a religion that's basically a roundabout copy of dozens of religions that came before it.
The only things I hope to gain are others who want the same.

Since I am sure that you know that people die, I can deduce that you therefore recognize the need for resurrection and that major pillar of Christianity is still intact. Since Hell was prepared for Satan and his angels (Mt 25:41; Rev 12:9), it has apparently become a place of convenience for those who would chose to following him vs. those who follow God. There are not claims of Biblical exclusivity on Hell.

... It amazes me that folks who are Muslims think they're right, folks who are Jews think they're right and folks who claim to be Christian, who think they're right. The main commonality is that ALL three believe in the SAME god, yet all are at each other's throats for no legitimate reason at all.
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You know better. As smart as I believe you are, it astonishes me that you would even type such a thing. C'mon, man.

... Last but certainly not least, all three teach that it's ethical and moral for a human being to place on the shoulders of another entity THEIR sins, instead of taking responsibility for their OWN actions. In the old testament, it's called "scapegoating". This is neither ethical or moral. Thank goodness our criminal justice system hasn't been reduced to following such distorted priciples.
Scapegoating ... now just where does that term come from? O...the Bible where it was instituted in the OT (Lev 16:7-10; 20-34). As for our criminal justice system ... you know better that that, too.
 
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