Pay Tithes or Get Shot- Creflo Dollar


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XHALE9802 said:
Thats how I feel.

now about shooting people, I took it as how not paying tithes is associating with robbing God of what is already His, and how people will or are ready to shoot you if you come into their homes and rob from them....however, everybody is not gonna take it that way and you can't just put it out there like that with a personal, sensitive issue such as tithing. Like you said, there is some truth, but he positioned it horribly in a way that will have non believers turned off and running away.
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You're absolutely correct in your interpretation as non-tithing is "robbing God of what is already His" because Malachi 3:8 says, "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, 'Wherein have we robbed thee?' In tithes and offerings." This verse really stood out at me, and I thought, "This is all God's. Everything I have is because He gave it to me." So I activated my faith started paying my tithes every payday. I used to struggle at first and let the enemy get into my ear, but "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing that there shall not be room enough to receive it"! (Malachi 3:10). Nothing is better than knowing that when you take of God's House, He will definitely take care of yours.

For Creflo Dollar to say what he said, well, that goes back to what Crit and Chocolate Topaz were saying about studying and knowing the Word for oneself. If you are in the Word and the Word is in you, people will see it. That is why Dollar and all these other televangelists can do, say,get away with the mess they create. Get in the Word! and trust in the Lord.
 



Before I lend any other comments to this thread, I want to ask a question of those who have posted here about Creflo Dollar's notion as recorded in the first minute of the posted clip.

Were those the words of policy/biblical teaching or fantasy on how things would be "without the blood of Jesus"?
 
dacontinent said:
Before I lend any other comments to this thread, I want to ask a question of those who have posted here about Creflo Dollar's notion as recorded in the first minute of the posted clip.

Were those the words of policy/biblical teaching or fantasy on how things would be "without the blood of Jesus"?
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I understood it as being the this (in bold).
 
CriTAUcal said:
Not really. But OK. :lol: That's people (the congregation) making poor decisions.
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Who encouraged them to make those decisions?

Who encourage them to vote a certain way?

Who encourage them to give even when they aren't able to pay their bills?
 
jsupop33 said:
luvdaboom,
please revisit.
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Basically a difference of opinion about megachurches and people putting more faith in the reverend, pastor, bishop more than god. This was also around the time Jim Jones Special was out and honestly Jim Jones was speaking on the very same thing that some of these bishops and pastors use. People blindly follow people instead of learning the word for themselves. And the girl i was dating family basically called me a heathen and cursed me out and threw me out.
 
luvdaboom said:
Basically a difference of opinion about megachurches and people putting more faith in the reverend, pastor, bishop more than god. This was also around the time Jim Jones Special was out and honestly Jim Jones was speaking on the very same thing that some of these bishops and pastors use. People blindly follow people instead of learning the word for themselves. And the girl i was dating family basically called me a heathen and cursed me out and threw me out.
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I'm sorry luv, but....:lmao: at everytime I hear you mention that!
 
luvdaboom said:
Basically a difference of opinion about megachurches and people putting more faith in the reverend, pastor, bishop more than god. This was also around the time Jim Jones Special was out and honestly Jim Jones was speaking on the very same thing that some of these bishops and pastors use. People blindly follow people instead of learning the word for themselves. And the girl i was dating family basically called me a heathen and cursed me out and threw me out.
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:emlaugh:

Sorry, luvdaboom....this story is/was funny as hell. :lmao:
 
dacontinent said:
Before I lend any other comments to this thread, I want to ask a question of those who have posted here about Creflo Dollar's notion as recorded in the first minute of the posted clip.

Were those the words of policy/biblical teaching or fantasy on how things would be "without the blood of Jesus"?
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Not even the fantasy, the reality of how things would or could be without the blood. That actually was one of the first things I heard. Basically, what would yall do if we were under the old law, and not doing what God has commanded you to do, this type of mentality could be justified. Looking at it specifically from that angle without the emphasis being put solely on tithes, it could be classified as preaching about the goodness and mercy of God, against the persecution man issues on each other.
 
Tithes is just not money. This is where preachers have doped us up. Tithe is giving from your heart, that means if you know someone without food, feed them. Give freely from your heart is giving your tithe. This why the pastor of the church I attend always says, "Don't put your faith and trust into me, because I am human. Put your faith and trust into God". We make man bigger than he is with titles. We make man feel more important than he really is. For some reason we have fooled ourselves into thinking God loves us church folk more than others. When that is not true. As long as you have breath in your lungs, you have a chance to repent and ask forgiveness. God blesses the just as well as the unjust. Even the worst sinner in the world can still confess to God on his death bed and be saved. Why you ask? Because God is the one who decides who goes to heaven or hell. Man just condems you, when they should be worrying about their own souls.
 
CEE DOG said:
Tithes is just not money. This is where preachers have doped us up. Tithe is giving from your heart, that means if you know someone without food, feed them. Give freely from your heart is giving your tithe. This why the pastor of the church I attend always says, "Don't put your faith and trust into me, because I am human. Put your faith and trust into God". We make man bigger than he is with titles. We make man feel more important than he really is. For some reason we have fooled ourselves into thinking God loves us church folk more than others. When that is not true. As long as you have breath in your lungs, you have a chance to repent and ask forgiveness. God blesses the just as well as the unjust. Even the worst sinner in the world can still confess to God on his death bed and be saved. Why you ask? Because God is the one who decides who goes to heaven or hell. Man just condems you, when they should be worrying about their own souls.
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You need to stop running from your calling, Cee...:nod:

:tup:
 
SLT said:
I'm sorry luv, but....:lmao: at everytime I hear you mention that!
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Warndalyn said:
:emlaugh:

Sorry, luvdaboom....this story is/was funny as hell. :lmao:
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ladies i was laughing too; im glad i was showed that before the relationship went further

CEE DOG said:
Tithes is just not money. This is where preachers have doped us up. Tithe is giving from your heart, that means if you know someone without food, feed them. Give freely from your heart is giving your tithe. This why the pastor of the church I attend always says, "Don't put your faith and trust into me, because I am human. Put your faith and trust into God". We make man bigger than he is with titles. We make man feel more important than he really is. For some reason we have fooled ourselves into thinking God loves us church folk more than others. QUOTE]

ceedog you my boy!!!
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Offerings are not just money, but it takes money to run a church. Just to keep the lights, water, and gas on takes a great deal of money.

Tithes are from your INCOME... so that's pretty much money.
 
jag4life said:
Tithes are not just money, but it takes money to run a church. Just to keep the lights, water, and gas on takes a great deal of money.
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That is true, but everyone doesn't have money to give. Nothing is wrong with giving the money, but the church has gone from it's foundation of helping others, to helping those who have the most money. Black church's gave money to the community and helped the community more when we didn't have all these big salaries and mega churches. If not for the black church the civil rights movement would have never happened. Now we can't get a movement to even teach Pookie to pull his pants up. Sorry but the black church needs to take the lead in solving he AIDS rate, job rate, education problems, drug problems and many more things in our hoods. We only care about Johnny from the well of home, and not Ray Ray from the projects. Both need the same attention and same help. We are to worry about our Sunday outfits, the cars in the parking lots, the tithes from the big money folks and praying messages in hopes of getting more money. We need to hear about saving our souls, our kids and taking back our hoods from the word of God. Teach me the word so that I may spread it and help others. It's sad we started a movement that changed this world having fish fries and chicken plates, but can solve anything with 100K salaries. :lecture:
 



CEE DOG said:
Tithes is just not money. This is where preachers have doped us up. Tithe is giving from your heart, that means if you know someone without food, feed them. Give freely from your heart is giving your tithe. This why the pastor of the church I attend always says, "Don't put your faith and trust into me, because I am human. Put your faith and trust into God". We make man bigger than he is with titles. We make man feel more important than he really is. For some reason we have fooled ourselves into thinking God loves us church folk more than others. When that is not true. As long as you have breath in your lungs, you have a chance to repent and ask forgiveness. God blesses the just as well as the unjust. Even the worst sinner in the world can still confess to God on his death bed and be saved. Why you ask? Because God is the one who decides who goes to heaven or hell. Man just condems you, when they should be worrying about their own souls.
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It's women who think they're paying tithes, and wear pants.

Paying tithes and wearing pants! :lol:

seems to be a mixed understanding, or following, or both
 
CEE DOG said:
Tithes is just not money. This is where preachers have doped us up. Tithe is giving from your heart, that means if you know someone without food, feed them. Give freely from your heart is giving your tithe. This why the pastor of the church I attend always says, "Don't put your faith and trust into me, because I am human. Put your faith and trust into God". We make man bigger than he is with titles. We make man feel more important than he really is. For some reason we have fooled ourselves into thinking God loves us church folk more than others. When that is not true. As long as you have breath in your lungs, you have a chance to repent and ask forgiveness. God blesses the just as well as the unjust. Even the worst sinner in the world can still confess to God on his death bed and be saved. Why you ask? Because God is the one who decides who goes to heaven or hell. Man just condems you, when they should be worrying about their own souls.
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My pastor says the same thing! :tup:
 
CEE DOG said:
That is true, but everyone doesn't have money to give. Nothing is wrong with giving the money, but the church has gone from it's foundation of helping others, to helping those who have the most money. Black church's gave money to the community and helped the community more when we didn't have all these big salaries and mega churches. If not for the black church the civil rights movement would have never happened. Now we can't get a movement to even teach Pookie to pull his pants up. Sorry but the black church needs to take the lead in solving he AIDS rate, job rate, education problems, drug problems and many more things in our hoods. We only care about Johnny from the well of home, and not Ray Ray from the projects. Both need the same attention and same help. We are to worry about our Sunday outfits, the cars in the parking lots, the tithes from the big money folks and praying messages in hopes of getting more money. We need to hear about saving our souls, our kids and taking back our hoods from the word of God. Teach me the word so that I may spread it and help others. It's sad we started a movement that changed this world having fish fries and chicken plates, but can solve anything with 100K salaries. :lecture:
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I feel you on the back part of your message, but the church can't help others if the church (the people) do not put their money where their mouths are.

I've seen as many crooks in small broke churches as I have seen in larger churches. I won't get too specific but all anyone has to do to see where the money from my church is going is drive around the neighborhood surrounding it.
 
CEE DOG said:
Tithes is just not money. This is where preachers have doped us up. Tithe is giving from your heart, that means if you know someone without food, feed them. Give freely from your heart is giving your tithe. This why the pastor of the church I attend always says, "Don't put your faith and trust into me, because I am human. Put your faith and trust into God". We make man bigger than he is with titles. We make man feel more important than he really is. For some reason we have fooled ourselves into thinking God loves us church folk more than others. When that is not true. As long as you have breath in your lungs, you have a chance to repent and ask forgiveness. God blesses the just as well as the unjust. Even the worst sinner in the world can still confess to God on his death bed and be saved. Why you ask? Because God is the one who decides who goes to heaven or hell. Man just condems you, when they should be worrying about their own souls.
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I appreciate your sentiment and offer you these things to consider.
  1. GIVING isn't just about money. There are tithes (10% of your increase), offerings, sacrifices, alms, etc.
  2. IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY TO EXCHANGE VALUE, TITHING IS PRIMARILY ABOUT MONEY IN THE WESTERN WORLD. Remember that tithing was established in Jewish culture as an inheritance for the Levites (priests and staff). It not only took care of the Levites but was used in the upkeep of the facility. In cultures that are particularly agrarian, INCREASE can still be in the abundance of livestock, produce, land, etc. It wasn't too many decades ago that much of a preacher's compensation here in the US (particularly the South) came through "pounding" in many agricultural areas: pounds of food, that is. Sometimes that is all that people had to give. However, in modern times, one would establish increase agriculturally based on what he sold or on fair market value and then tithe from that. Example: Inherit 5 acres of land valued at $10K/acre results in a tithe of $5K.
  3. One of the primary benefits of tithing in operating a church in modern times is in budgeting. Just like our wages/salaries provide the baseline for running the business of our homes (paying bills, savings, vacations, retirement, emergency funds, education, maintaining homes and equipment, etc.), tithing provides a baseline for running the business of the church.
  4. You are absolutely right that God does not love church folks any more than anyone else. HOWEVER, the flow of His blessing in our lives is tied directly to our walk WITH Him.
 
Just to back up what Smoke said....


His name says it all, folks, and I've never trusted Mega-Church ministers/prophets, etc.
 
PsiSnake said:
...and thats the problem.

Man I know yall gotta be smarter than this. How can yall sit here and judge this man based off of edited clips from a interview, sermons, etc.? Unless you heard the sermon/interview in its entirety and understood the complete message that was given, you can't make judgement. Yea, it sounds f'd up (shoot non tithers), but what he say before that?after? What was the sermon/interview about?

C'mon now.

"Snake"
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I have heard Rev. Dollar preach before and I can tell you his preaching is not much different then the clip posted.

KennyReno said:
Just to back up what Smoke said....


His name says it all, folks, and I've never trusted Mega-Church ministers/prophets, etc.
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I don't lump all "mega-church ministers/prophets" in the same group. Some like Joel Osteen do great things for the community and world. However you have some ministers and pastors like Rev. Dollar who muddy the waters.
 
It's nothing wrong with asking to tithe or for a minister to explain the concept to a congregation. The techniques that he(Dollar) is using have nothing to do with anything holy or the actual reason for tithing anyway.

Peace and Practice
 
I wonder why tithing is the only Mosaic Law people are asked to Still follow?

and they never say give it to the Levictical preisthood, like in the Bible, they say give it to them.....hmmm....
 
jag4life said:
I feel you on the back part of your message, but the church can't help others if the church (the people) do not put their money where their mouths are.

I've seen as many crooks in small broke churches as I have seen in larger churches. I won't get too specific but all anyone has to do to see where the money from my church is going is drive around the neighborhood surrounding it.
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Don't get me wrong now. I agree whole heartly about paying tithes, but I also realize that I had to get to the financial point where I could afford to pay tithes. God also gave me common sense. If I know my rent is gotta be paid on Monday, and I take my rent money and give it to the church, my rent want be paid on Monday. I have to have the common sense to know God blessed me with the money to pay my rent. He knows where my heart is and if I can't afford ti give tithes, he already knows that. Also there is no where in the bible that says 10% is the exact amount. No where. It does not give a number. Man made that number up. It says be a cheerful giver. Also the part we as humans over look is he said give from your heart. If you giving because the pastor told you to and because you thank you going to heaven for giving, you ain't giving from your heart.
 
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