NCAA Announces Penn State Penalties!!!
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JAG89
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jstate83
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I'm gonna laugh my azz off when the NCAA ropes one of our azzes using this same rule of thumb and these clowns start that YT trying to get us crap. Its damm sure comming now. :lol:
I'm gonna laugh my azz off when the NCAA ropes one of our azzes using this same rule of thumb and these clowns start that YT trying to get us crap. Its damm sure comming now. :lol:
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mighty hornet
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The current players can choose to stay at Penn State or they can choose to transfer, without penalty.
You keep trying to make this a punishment against the current players. It's a punishment against the school. And it seems that some of yall think football teams operate in a vacuum, totally detached from the university. They don't. This scandal was brought on by Penn State. To protect Penn State. Penn State should be punished. And yes, that includes Penn State football team.
The current players can choose to stay at Penn State or they can choose to transfer, without penalty.
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All ya'll talking about unethical conduct fail to realize that the NCAA one of the most unethical organizations in this country.
It restricts student-athletes from earning one dime while in school with some B.S. idea of amateurism.Then it punishes 80-something football players for the next four years for crimes none of them committed.
All ya'll talking about unethical conduct fail to realize that the NCAA one of the most unethical organizations in this country.
It restricts student-athletes from earning one dime while in school with some B.S. idea of amateurism.Then it punishes 80-something football players for the next four years for crimes none of them committed.
JROCK
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If these same 10 athletes were involved in a grade scandal and administrators didn't report it to the NCAA would the school be punished? Is this a criminal matter that the local DA may prosecute? We all know the answer to those questions. Both bodies can do their own thing.
If these same 10 athletes were involved in a grade scandal and administrators didn't report it to the NCAA would the school be punished? Is this a criminal matter that the local DA may prosecute? We all know the answer to those questions. Both bodies can do their own thing.
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jstate83
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How is it not a punishment against the players who did nothing.
Punishment against the school would have been actually punishing the Penn State Board, and administrators that did the covering up. They still there and employed. Punishment would have been a fine double or tripple that $60 Million. $60 Million ain't shat for Penn State. You want to take bowl games away fine because that is money that won't go into their coffers either. But vacating wins from players that did nothing and committed no violation is bullshat.
That $60 million fine ain't no more than 20 checks from 20 big time donors for $3 million each. Hell..........They probably got that out of all those booster clubs petty cash fund. :smh:
How is it not a punishment against the players who did nothing.
Punishment against the school would have been actually punishing the Penn State Board, and administrators that did the covering up. They still there and employed. Punishment would have been a fine double or tripple that $60 Million. $60 Million ain't shat for Penn State. You want to take bowl games away fine because that is money that won't go into their coffers either. But vacating wins from players that did nothing and committed no violation is bullshat.
That $60 million fine ain't no more than 20 checks from 20 big time donors for $3 million each. Hell..........They probably got that out of all those booster clubs petty cash fund. :smh:
Olde Hornet
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Jo Pa was the Football coach, the others were administrators - this is with in the purview of the NCAA.
I was surprised at the harshness of the penalties.
If any other university's sports programs and administrators condones the molestation of children - they deserve this.
Jo Pa was the Football coach, the others were administrators - this is with in the purview of the NCAA.
I was surprised at the harshness of the penalties.
If any other university's sports programs and administrators condones the molestation of children - they deserve this.
mighty hornet
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That penalty is for historical purposes.
To the current players that you were concerned about, vacating wins would probably mean little to nothing.
That penalty is for historical purposes.
JROCK
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Sorry but Paterno is in fact an administrator. I agree with your perspective though.
Sorry but Paterno is in fact an administrator. I agree with your perspective though.
DAHILL
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that would be an NCAA violation.... it would have to do with PLAYERS eligibility.
that would be an NCAA violation.... it would have to do with PLAYERS eligibility.
SU Jag 79
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They get into those situations knowing they are not getting PAID. The trade is a free education, the same thing that any other STUDENT gets. They can always opt out and do soemthing else and no one is forcing them to play collegiate sports. And how is this different than the USC case ... Bush and that coach were gone .... the players left and Lane Kiffin had to deal with the punishment because they represented USC at that time. This is nothing different.
They get into those situations knowing they are not getting PAID. The trade is a free education, the same thing that any other STUDENT gets. They can always opt out and do soemthing else and no one is forcing them to play collegiate sports. And how is this different than the USC case ... Bush and that coach were gone .... the players left and Lane Kiffin had to deal with the punishment because they represented USC at that time. This is nothing different.
jstate83
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Right MH.
You still have not told me one violation any player committed that would neam the taking away of wins............from 1998 to now.
As for historical purposes............... this is a punishment PRECEDENT........ A NEW MEASURING STICK. I wonder what punishment the NCAA will be handing down from now on when teams and players actually commit violations. It is gonna be but ugly.
Right MH.
You still have not told me one violation any player committed that would neam the taking away of wins............from 1998 to now.
As for historical purposes............... this is a punishment PRECEDENT........ A NEW MEASURING STICK. I wonder what punishment the NCAA will be handing down from now on when teams and players actually commit violations. It is gonna be but ugly.
JROCK
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It would also be theft and I'm pretty certain that the DA would prosecute these students. The NCAA would also have the authority to levy a penalty on the entire program for concealing this information.
It would also be theft and I'm pretty certain that the DA would prosecute these students. The NCAA would also have the authority to levy a penalty on the entire program for concealing this information.
JAG89
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Kendrick,
When a person argue against the sanctions the NCAA levied against Penn State, it makes people wonder if there's other reasons why that person would make such an argument.
Kendrick,
When a person argue against the sanctions the NCAA levied against Penn State, it makes people wonder if there's other reasons why that person would make such an argument.
mighty hornet
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You know current players on the team won't be losing any sleep that a Penn State win from the 1900s is now being taken off the books.
c'mon 83,
You know current players on the team won't be losing any sleep that a Penn State win from the 1900s is now being taken off the books.
SU Jag 79
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If you are worried about what the NCAA can do after this, then this was exactly what the NCAA wanted to do. Now, schools and teams HAVE to be more meticulous in who they hire, who they recruit, and everything else because of Penn State.
As for your first part, this is the first time a coach has been implicated in something like this .... from that point of view, who can you levy the penalty on? Pete Carroll was in the NFL when his crap came through and they couldn't do a damn thing to him.
Penn State got this particular punishment for several reasons ... including Paterno can't be punished, he knew of the actions of a man HE hired and keep them quiet. Several other administrators knew of this and did the same. Their punishments will be via the legal sector. However, the NCAA, whether I agree with them or not, has the right to serve as juror for schools under their jurisdiction. Normally, the school is allowed to act of these, but because of the scope of this, with all of the school's involvement negatively, they could not in good conscience allow Penn State to levy the punishment against themselves. Their creditability has been placed into jeopardy by themselves!
Right MH.
You still have not told me one violation any player committed that would neam the taking away of wins............from 1998 to now.
As for historical purposes............... this is a punishment PRECEDENT........ A NEW MEASURING STICK. I wonder what punishment the NCAA will be handing down from now on when teams and players actually commit violations. It is gonna be but ugly.
If you are worried about what the NCAA can do after this, then this was exactly what the NCAA wanted to do. Now, schools and teams HAVE to be more meticulous in who they hire, who they recruit, and everything else because of Penn State.
As for your first part, this is the first time a coach has been implicated in something like this .... from that point of view, who can you levy the penalty on? Pete Carroll was in the NFL when his crap came through and they couldn't do a damn thing to him.
Penn State got this particular punishment for several reasons ... including Paterno can't be punished, he knew of the actions of a man HE hired and keep them quiet. Several other administrators knew of this and did the same. Their punishments will be via the legal sector. However, the NCAA, whether I agree with them or not, has the right to serve as juror for schools under their jurisdiction. Normally, the school is allowed to act of these, but because of the scope of this, with all of the school's involvement negatively, they could not in good conscience allow Penn State to levy the punishment against themselves. Their creditability has been placed into jeopardy by themselves!
mighty hornet
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Obviously, it's confusing you. If you can't see how unethical it is to cover up for and enable a child molester to keep preying on kids.
JROCK
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This is an agree to disagree situation. :lol: :emlaugh:
This is an agree to disagree situation. :lol: :emlaugh:
mighty hornet
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For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program.
2.4 The Principle of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct.
For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program.
JAG89
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It's also confusing to child molesters, such as Jerry Sandusky. Maybe there is a reason why some folks on here are making the argument that the NCAA shouldn't have gotten involved.
It's also confusing to child molesters, such as Jerry Sandusky. Maybe there is a reason why some folks on here are making the argument that the NCAA shouldn't have gotten involved.
jstate83
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I pitty the next school that gets caught cheating or something like 100 plus violations that are directly tied to the team/athletic department. If you thought it was a dictatorship before, man oh man, wait until the shoe drop on some of these schools under investigation and or waiting on punishment now.
As for the Pete Carol Part, Joe Pa is dead.......... whats the diff? Petes violations and what USC did was direct team violations. Why didn't they make USC pay all that money back on top of stripping them of the title National Champs. Why didn't they bann Pete from College coaching for the next 20 years since they took 13 years of wins from Penn State players that did nothing. :noidea:
I pitty the next school that gets caught cheating or something like 100 plus violations that are directly tied to the team/athletic department. If you thought it was a dictatorship before, man oh man, wait until the shoe drop on some of these schools under investigation and or waiting on punishment now.
As for the Pete Carol Part, Joe Pa is dead.......... whats the diff? Petes violations and what USC did was direct team violations. Why didn't they make USC pay all that money back on top of stripping them of the title National Champs. Why didn't they bann Pete from College coaching for the next 20 years since they took 13 years of wins from Penn State players that did nothing. :noidea:
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