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I do not know about anybody else, but I am just trying survive in this multi-facited society and while I must admit it has been fun at times, from my viewpoint it has not been easy.
 
Panther88 said:
While sending that message, send this one: <b>Recruit and attempt to retain the BEST possible student</b>.

Notice, I didn't say "white," "black," "mexican," "asian," "indian," et al student, just student w/out regards to race. All here are aware of HBCUs historically created mission but in the year 2011, I think some of that needs to be modified, just a lil' bit, if all are to continue to thrive (survive). (HBCUs) Can and should still endure to help those who are helpless but coupled w/ that ideology, I think it's in the best interests of all to target some who are the up and comers. :read: My eldest daughter graduated top 1% of her class in Ral/Dur, NC (lol, she was valed and it was expected over the yrs, considering). Parents are HBCU grads undergrad and mix of HBCU/PWCU grad schools. Guess how many HBCUs attempted to recruit her? ---------------> "0" I'm sure that 'other' school will appreciate her adding to their minority graduation rate. :tup: :smh:
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P, it is sad on how we recruit students not just student athletes. We think all we need to do is just do College Fairs and that's it. We don't even have folks in our admissions offices or recruitment forge a relationship with the local HS and stuff like they used to just to keep the local pipelines going. I remember being a JR in HS and I could appreciate seeing a Grambling rep come from La to our HS in Ms and get his recruit own. Hell, I think that was the first scholly offer I got. But it was like we were more vigilant in recruiting back then than we are now and we have all this technology and ways to get the word out there to potential students. And you have to start early now. Can't wait until their Sr year to go after them. The top kids already have offers in hand before their Jr year is over. Especially from those schools who are aggressively recruiting minority kids. They get a jump on it.
 



First, it was not 'integration', it was the process of 'assimilation'. Second, it would cost you a significant amount of money and time, if you wanted me to put a plan together to solve this multi-layered cultural issue.
 
JR,

P, it is sad on how we recruit students not just student athletes. We think all we need to do is just do College Fairs and that's it. We don't even have folks in our admissions offices or recruitment forge a relationship with the local HS and stuff like they used to just to keep the local pipelines going. I remember being a JR in HS and I could appreciate seeing a Grambling rep come from La to our HS in Ms and get his recruit own. Hell, I think that was the first scholly offer I got. But it was like we were more vigilant in recruiting back then than we are now and we have all this technology and ways to get the word out there to potential students. And you have to start early now. Can't wait until their Sr year to go after them. The top kids already have offers in hand before their Jr year is over. Especially from those schools who are aggressively recruiting minority kids. They get a jump on it.
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That is not the case for the HBCUs of Texas Southern University and Prairie View A & M University.
 
JR said:
P, it is sad on how we recruit students not just student athletes. We think all we need to do is just do College Fairs and that's it. We don't even have folks in our admissions offices or recruitment forge a relationship with the local HS and stuff like they used to just to keep the local pipelines going. I remember being a JR in HS and I could appreciate seeing a Grambling rep come from La to our HS in Ms and get his recruit own. Hell, I think that was the first scholly offer I got. But it was like we were more vigilant in recruiting back then than we are now and we have all this technology and ways to get the word out there to potential students. And you have to start early now. Can't wait until their Sr year to go after them. The top kids already have offers in hand before their Jr year is over. Especially from those schools who are aggressively recruiting minority kids. They get a jump on it.
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SU sends folks here to Houston high schools on occasion to attend college fairs. There is also a program where alums can attend the college fairs in their cities on behalf of the school.
 
JR said:
True statement up there^^^^^. We do need to upgrade. Better administrations and hire folks who know what they are doing regardless of race or gender. We also need to realize we don't have to give like the PWCs meaning one lump sum. Give in small increments. They add up. But we need to get a lot of folks to think like that. Even the PWCs take the small donations. They just have more folks who give. We have to get out of our mindset. If all you can give is 10 dollars a month then do so.

But like some folks have said, these kids grow up differently. They are not kids of the Civil Right Era and not kids who have been part of integration of these schools. They were born seeing black players all over these schools. They have not witnessed HBCU HOF players for the most part. Even the last great SWAC or HBCU players like Strahan, Aeneas Williams, McNair, Donald Driver and more recently Pro Bowl player like Robert Mathis are not on these kids radar as HBCU grads. These kids see all these PWC superstars and then what they do on the next level and get enamored. Then you have the facilities that entice them as well. Seeing these schools on TV every week don't hurt either. A lot of these kids go to school with white kids now anyway and they all mingle so they don't feel like its a big deal going to these PWCs. Especially the surburban school athletes. The Urban school athletes are more fooled to go to a PWC than the suburb kid. The suburb kid aint shocked at amenities like those kids from an urban HS who see all those nice things and get pressure from their family to go to the big time schools because their folks have no clue on the value of a HBCU education. All they see is dollar signs. Kids from the hood back in the day actually had more informed parents than they do now. You would think it would be the other way around. But when you have all these single black Moms struggling with multiple kids. They aint trying to send their kid to a HBCU. They think that is a step backwards. They are not thinking about their son getting a college degree. This is their chance for the bigtime and a way out the hood. And the ones who do think about the college education still think those schools are better than ours. I have talked to many kids and their parents over the years and they rather send their kid to a low level FBS school over taking a full ride to a school like the Naval Academy that can write their ticket forever. It is just our mindset. As long as money is involved with these big schools and they way they recruit. It will be tough to change the mindset. I don't worry about the surburban black kid so much. Because normally they are equipped to handle them other folks and their environment since they have exposed to them. Our HBCUs will have to change their strategy in recruiting not just athletes but regular students to attend our schools. The PWCs are snapping up these brilliant black kids from High School like no tomorrow. This where we have really lost the battle. They are giving out more scholly money to attract our best students.
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I said something similar to this in the A&M/Jones thread and got suplexed over hot concrete.

HBCUs are special places, but I don't feel they are being marketed and SOLD like they could be. It's true that a smaller segment of the Black high school population are choosing them...but it's up to the administrations to generate a buzz about each school.

A lot of prospective students in 2010 live a different life than they ever have. Chances are, a high school senior has his/her own bedroom, ipod..their mama's still pick up them, and living on campus in a dorm with a roommate is considered a downgrade in lifestyle. I've been to quite a few HBCU campuses (public), and building maintenance and upkeep could be better. I also think HBCUs could do better by forming relationships with local high schools.

But as is always the case, it's all about money. Everything in America is all about money.
 
Panther88 said:
While sending that message, send this one: <b>Recruit and attempt to retain the BEST possible student</b>.

Notice, I didn't say "white," "black," "mexican," "asian," "indian," et al student, just student w/out regards to race. All here are aware of HBCUs historically created mission but in the year 2011, I think some of that needs to be modified, just a lil' bit, if all are to continue to thrive (survive).
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Well you still come into the same issue, getting those kids to attend a HBCU. Good luck in trying to get Hispanic kids to HBCUs, PWC are after them WORST than black kids.
Some of the scholarship offers I have seen for Hispanic kids are linked to certain schools. A lot of the overseas kids head to schools with links to their country or have a powerhouse program. My college atracted kids from Canada, Germany, Japan and Africa because of our automotive program even stealing kids from Big 10 & Big 12 schools.

What is the ratio of nonblack kids at HBCUs? How many teams feature nonblack players?

Most black folk have income but no wealth! They live paycheck to paycheck.
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A dollar month or 12 bucks after you get your tax return can't hurt that bad can it?

I know SHSU has been sending my daughter stuff since she graduated. She has not given them a dime, to my knowledge, but they continue to send stuff asking for money.
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My school does this-we have a reunion ceremony in October. Everybody (including current kids) gets a medal for attending the first time and a pin for evey year after. The events for that reunion include an all you can eat meal ($7.00) and a group photo (10.00). The school store is OPEN and clearance rank is PACKED. $25 polos with the school name for $5.

The school get some money, but you get plenty of networking and current kids meet us. And for thoes black kids at the school, they get to see the large black graduate population that the school has.

They also send us newsletters via e-mail every 2-3 months. They don't really beg us for money. You might see a letter every 3 years.
 
Jafus (Thinker) said:
JR,



That is not the case for the HBCUs of Texas Southern University and Prairie View A & M University.
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Well those schools may be in the minority and that's good to hear. I hear about it all the time when talking to various HBCU alums on how they can't get their alma maters to contact schools with some great students. I didn't mean for it to be taken that no HBCU reaches out. I am sure the AU(Morehouse, Spelman, Clark-Atlanta) schools are handling their business too.
 
jag4life said:
SU sends folks here to Houston high schools on occasion to attend college fairs. There is also a program where alums can attend the college fairs in their cities on behalf of the school.
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I know we are good on college fairs. That's why I said we have to go beyond those. You have to make inroads at schools that produce excellent students. The college fairs are great to start with. But what I meant was developing relationships with schools to get that pipeline going. Doc Greggs was good at that for band students and I am sure Crowley (Jackson) is too. Doc raided Houston. First it was Forest Brook back in the early 80s and then Willowridge later on and it expanded to a bunch of schools.
 
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2kool said:
I said something similar to this in the A&M/Jones thread and got suplexed over hot concrete.

HBCUs are special places, but I don't feel they are being marketed and SOLD like they could be. It's true that a smaller segment of the Black high school population are choosing them...but it's up to the administrations to generate a buzz about each school.

A lot of prospective students in 2010 live a different life than they ever have. Chances are, a high school senior has his/her own bedroom, ipod..their mama's still pick up them, and living on campus in a dorm with a roommate is considered a downgrade in lifestyle. I've been to quite a few HBCU campuses (public), and building maintenance and upkeep could be better. I also think HBCUs could do better by forming relationships with local high schools.

But as is always the case, it's all about money. Everything in America is all about money.
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Everything in the WORLD is about money. We live in a global society now. It is about to be on for this next generation of college grads in America. They better be ready.
 
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JR said:
Well those schools may be in the minority and that's good to hear. I hear about it all the time when talking to various HBCU alums on how they can't get their alma maters to contact schools with some great students. I didn't mean for it to be taken that no HBCU reaches out. I am sure the AU(Morehouse, Spelman, Clark-Atlanta) schools are handling their business too.
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What if ALL HBCUs came together to help one another? Say, a quarterly national conference that jump-starts dialog into making each HBCU better? Sort of an "each one, teach one/help one" type of thing.
 
I got one question. Well, actually two questions.

1. I know HBCUs not attracting elite young black athletes has hurt schools athletically in terms of success on the field and court comparatively to the rest of the country. However, how has not acquiring the elite black athlete hurt HBCUs in its overall academic mission, if at all?

2. Even without having super great athletic programs, HBCUs seem to still be able to compete academically with other schools across the nation. So what is the urgency in getting the same athletes that BCS schools do?

The reason I ask these questions is because I get the sense that there are those who see HBCUs being justified by what is produced in athletics as opposed to in the classroom. Do HBCUs really need to be great in athletics to be relevant or considered as successful academic institutions?
 
2kool said:
I said something similar to this in the A&M/Jones thread and got suplexed over hot concrete.

HBCUs are special places, but I don't feel they are being marketed and SOLD like they could be. It's true that a smaller segment of the Black high school population are choosing them...but it's up to the administrations to generate a buzz about each school.

A lot of prospective students in 2010 live a different life than they ever have. Chances are, a high school senior has his/her own bedroom, ipod..their mama's still pick up them, and living on campus in a dorm with a roommate is considered a downgrade in lifestyle. I've been to quite a few HBCU campuses (public), and building maintenance and upkeep could be better. I also think HBCUs could do better by forming relationships with local high schools.

But as is always the case, it's all about money. Everything in America is all about money.
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Well there ways around this. How hard would it be to e-mail information to a counselor at a school? Or any staffer at a school? For your comupter tech student worker-couldn't he/she/it be in charge of the Facebook page for the school? Unless you want your admissions staff to do it.

I also think HBCUs could do better by forming relationships with local high schools
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You have to form a relationship with that school district. While it's fine to be cool with one school, what about the kids you miss at other schools? I think if the SWAC was to do events for the local school districts might help in recruiting. Like the SWAC tourney is in Garland. Would it hurt the SWAC to take a group of elementary kids from a Garland school to the games for free? Or offer discounts for school staffs? Allow one school rep from each of the schools in Garland, Dallas, GP, Arlington, Irving, Lancaster and Cedar Hill to attend for free and make sure each school gives them info/stuff to take back to the school? YOu might not get every school but you will get some and those are the ones you stay in touch with.
 
kendrick said:
I got one question. Well, actually two questions.

1. I know HBCUs not attracting elite young black athletes has hurt schools athletically in terms of success on the field and court comparatively to the rest of the country. However, how has not acquiring the elite black athlete hurt HBCUs in its overall academic mission, if at all?

2. Even without having super great athletic programs, HBCUs seem to still be able to compete academically with other schools across the nation. So what is the urgency in getting the same athletes that BCS schools do?

The reason I ask these questions is because I get the sense that there are those who see HBCUs being justified by what is produced in athletics as opposed to in the classroom. Do HBCUs really need to be great in athletics to be relevant or considered as successful academic institutions?
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Kendrick we want it all. Both can go hand and hand. Obviously we are academic institutions first. But we should strive for execellence across the board. The classroom and the playing field or court. I know it is not an easy task. But I do believe each helps the other. Great Athletic programs bring recognition to your school and it is good for recruiting those academic only students as well as the student athlete. But of course I don't think you sacrifice academics for athletics either. Just have to find that balance and maintain it.
 



kendrick said:
I got one question. Well, actually two questions.

1. I know HBCUs not attracting elite young black athletes has hurt schools athletically in terms of success on the field and court comparatively to the rest of the country. However, how has not acquiring the elite black athlete hurt HBCUs in its overall academic mission, if at all?

2. Even without having super great athletic programs, HBCUs seem to still be able to compete academically with other schools across the nation. So what is the urgency in getting the same athletes that BCS schools do?

The reason I ask these questions is because I get the sense that there are those who see HBCUs being justified by what is produced in athletics as opposed to in the classroom. Do HBCUs really need to be great in athletics to be relevant or considered as successful academic institutions?
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It depends on the kid. You do have kids that are more concerned about the sports teams than the academics.
Look at SMU-folks want them to lower thier standards and let Ray Ray, who can play like Lebron in but is dumd like Kelly Bundy in.
When you watch some of these games-the commentators make sure you know that program pumps out grads and has nerds on the team. Especially in the Mountain West Conference.

You have a team with smart kids that can play and graduate on time. You will attract kids and thier parents. Look at OU under Kelvin Sampson-outside of Hoillis Price did anyone else gradaute from that program?
 
JR said:
P, it is sad on how we recruit students not just student athletes. We think all we need to do is just do College Fairs and that's it. We don't even have folks in our admissions offices or recruitment forge a relationship with the local HS and stuff like they used to just to keep the local pipelines going. I remember being a JR in HS and I could appreciate seeing a Grambling rep come from La to our HS in Ms and get his recruit own. Hell, I think that was the first scholly offer I got. But it was like we were more vigilant in recruiting back then than we are now and we <b>have all this technology and ways to get the word out there to potential students. And <u>you have to start early now. Can't wait until their Sr year to go after them. The top kids already have offers in hand before their Jr year is over. Especially from those schools who are aggressively recruiting minority kids. They get a jump on it.</u></b>
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Couldn't agree more. But it's too much like right to ask for e-mails and/or send collateral (univ 411) out and seemingly waste upwards of 82-87 cents per mailing. :tup:

I'm not trying to be funny but I don't care to do the job that university "staff" should be doing anymore. :| Granted, I'm an alum but I <b>refuse</b> to promote laziness on campus by empowering it to those who are drawing a salary from the university itself. It's THEIR job and THEIR <b>positional responsibility</b> to recruit, retain/educate, NOT mine! I am NOT a PVAMU recruiter therefore I WILL NOT recruit for PVAMU. I'm not employed by the university so it's not my JOB or RESPONSIBILITY to do the job of someone else who's drawing a salary on campus. The most I'll do now is attempt to give information and point a kid and/or their parents in the direction <b>if they are interested</b>. It's not my job to followup and ensure someone on campus did their job. If they're not doing their job, they shouldn't be employed there, IMO. I show zero loyalty to anything or anyone other than that which attempts to be successful. :|

I've been in corporate for 20 yrs now and <b>know</b> how a legit business should be ran, as most of us here have. The <b>inefficiency and laziness</b> I've witnessed over the years @ undergrad are almost laughable, considering folx are actually drawing a full-time salary and there is no viable measurement in place that attempts to grade performance or even define what the performance criteria (for success) is. :smh:
 
Herbert77060 said:
We (our Black athletes) keep making their universities richer and richer while "we" stick our chests out and our schools (HBCUs) get poorer and poorer or at the very least struggle to maintain.

Will we ever learn?
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JSUDMJ2004 said:
I watch a 30 min ESPNU Roadtrip Inside Oregon State Football special..........these kids had a game room the size of JSU Football Field house, every kid had on Nike from head to toe, practice facilities top notch, practice unis look better than our game unis, each player has atleast 3 pair of game cleats.................How can a kid turn that down? Thing is we have to start pouring money into our schools and trust that they will do they need to do with the money....
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How many HBCU grads are working for the Nike owner...who is giving millions to Oregon? That's the same thing with other Fortune 500 companies..How many HBCU grads are working for the owners of those companies which in turn give money back to their alma maters building hi tech,post modernisitc facilities? So if there are not a plethora of billionaire HBCU grads now..we can't wait years for some to be developed...what should be done? Our attempts to influence our young superstar athletes to attend HBCU's has been futile.

They are futile because our kids grew up in this intergrated era with other kids of different races ever since they were in kindergarten or pre-school and trying to sell them the HBCU experience is even more futile. You got the superstar Black athletes on NFL saying they graduated from "The U" and "The Ohio State" on the intros that appear on CBS,FOX,ESPN etc.


I pose all these elements because in order to solve a problem we have to know the nature of the problem. And what is the common demoninator of all these issues I laid out? The common denominator is IMAGE! Our alumni has not realized that if you have a great coach or AD that's improving the school's IMAGE.and that Coach or AD gets another offer...then by-God you better come with more funds to beat that price of the offering school.

You got to pay to maintain your image,because if you don't,then our schools will be what young kids today say" A NO NAME SCHOOL" I mean really the SWAC was gaining momentum with the hire of Cythinia Cooper-Dykes, If I was a rich PVAMU booster,I would have up the ante,UAPB we lost Skip Perkins...well...lol....if I was rich UAPB booster my school would have a lot and I would have up the ante on keeping a young AD like Skip. Also the most important of all,our schools have to build relationships in our communities to increase fan support. And with increase fan support comes more revenue to purchase and build better facilities.

Look I would love for our young athletes and students to attend our HBCU's but we have to realize of WHAT MIND SET THAT they grew up with...and we can't change it in a 30 minute sell from a recruiter from an HBCU.
 
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pbla said:
You got the superstar Black athletes on NFL saying they graduated from "The U" and "The Ohio State" on the intros that appear on CBS,FOX,ESPN etc.
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You know I have noticed the last few weeks there are a lot of cats who all of a sudden have popped up from Boise State in those team intros. Ten years ago that school was unheard of a football power.
 
I know the university, Texas Southern University; college, College of Education; department, Department of Health & Kinesiology; and program, Sport Studies & Leadership Program, has performance criteria measures. In all honesty it is a difficult challenge with the State of Texas asking for reports regarding individuals doing more, but providing less resources to accomplish various goals and mandates.
 
That is how my son almost went to Grambling. He met an alum at one of those fairs and he supposedly had a scholarship lined up but some how it fell through.

He went to audition for the Ocean to get a scholarship and didn't do well at all. I think he was extremely nervous for some reason but because I knew Ricky Lee (the band director....he was a junior when I came in as a freshman) he gave him a small scholarship which my son worked into a nice piece of change once he got in the door and figured out the system. Rick told him that he did not do well in the audition but because he knew me he was going to give him a chance.



jag4life said:
SU sends folks here to Houston high schools on occasion to attend college fairs. There is also a program where alums can attend the college fairs in their cities on behalf of the school.
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Some employees on campus not only want alums to be an advocate but they also want them to play the part of an unpaid employee.

Fvck that. Do your job. Not speaking about those who are innundated w/ tons of work and no assts/help in sight. I'm speaking on the ones who really aren't fulfilling ANY of what their position requires. :tup:
 
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