Jafus (Thinker)
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No, not in that manner, but it is more germane to the discussion and really understanding the dynamics in which we operate regarding moving forward under the two different dichotomies of socialization.
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SUJagFan
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What a pompous windbag.
You've said absolutely nothing.
The difference between segregated black society and integrated black society is readily apparent to anyone not stuck on trying too hard to seem smart. Furthermore, blacks have not been fully assimilated into American society to this day. There are still aspects of black culture that are not accepted by the the majority and a large swath of blacks who live on the fringes of American society.
"Think about it."
Herbert77060
Texas Southern University
We are competing academically...contrary to popular belief.
What most HBCUs seem not to realized is that athletics can seriously enhance a school's population if the programs are successful.
I would like to point out Wiley College. Pre The Great Debaters their enrollment was 750 on campus....post The Great Debaters their enrollment as of 2010 was 1237 (per Wiley's website). They're building new dorms because of the jump in enrollment. And this is riding the wave of a movie that came out in 2007.
Image and marketing.....novel concepts
Our HBCUs have rich histories and we (the institutions) need to play that up. Our athletic facilities should be littered with pictures and bios of former players.
What most HBCUs seem not to realized is that athletics can seriously enhance a school's population if the programs are successful.
I would like to point out Wiley College. Pre The Great Debaters their enrollment was 750 on campus....post The Great Debaters their enrollment as of 2010 was 1237 (per Wiley's website). They're building new dorms because of the jump in enrollment. And this is riding the wave of a movie that came out in 2007.
Image and marketing.....novel concepts
Our HBCUs have rich histories and we (the institutions) need to play that up. Our athletic facilities should be littered with pictures and bios of former players.
Herbert77060
Texas Southern University
Now that would be something to see....co-operation for the greater good....for every university to benefit.
Jafus (Thinker)
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SUJagFan,
It is unfortunate you have chosen to try to provide insults along with your commentary regarding your thought on this subject. But for the sake of discussion, No, I respectfully disagree, as I stated the two (integration and assimilation) are two different socialization. As you alluded too, I was given the benefit that once an individual ponders the assertion (if they so desired), that it would be readily apparent that there is a difference to anyone not stuck on trying too hard to seem smart and such otherwise. I will provide some additional context to the dialogue.
Integration is process of different groups coming together and obtaining equal opportunities and the total exchange between the different groups in an act of combining the total whole of the society. Assimilation is the process of a group given up much of its personal customs and adopting the culture of the majority. That in lies the irony of the discussion and your suggestion that: “…blacks have not been fully assimilated into American society to this day.” Furthermore, my statements were not regarding individuals understanding of whether there is readily an apparent difference between “segregated black society and integrated black society.”
I am suggesting that African Americans have chosen to assimilate through a process known as acculturation and structural assimilation into the norms of the majority group (European Americans) of society. As oppose to the African Americans, European Americans, Native Americans, Latin Americans and Mexican Americans (and etc.) that have a total exchange of all the individual nuances of each group into the new societal norms and practices of the society.
It is unfortunate you have chosen to try to provide insults along with your commentary regarding your thought on this subject. But for the sake of discussion, No, I respectfully disagree, as I stated the two (integration and assimilation) are two different socialization. As you alluded too, I was given the benefit that once an individual ponders the assertion (if they so desired), that it would be readily apparent that there is a difference to anyone not stuck on trying too hard to seem smart and such otherwise. I will provide some additional context to the dialogue.
Integration is process of different groups coming together and obtaining equal opportunities and the total exchange between the different groups in an act of combining the total whole of the society. Assimilation is the process of a group given up much of its personal customs and adopting the culture of the majority. That in lies the irony of the discussion and your suggestion that: “…blacks have not been fully assimilated into American society to this day.” Furthermore, my statements were not regarding individuals understanding of whether there is readily an apparent difference between “segregated black society and integrated black society.”
I am suggesting that African Americans have chosen to assimilate through a process known as acculturation and structural assimilation into the norms of the majority group (European Americans) of society. As oppose to the African Americans, European Americans, Native Americans, Latin Americans and Mexican Americans (and etc.) that have a total exchange of all the individual nuances of each group into the new societal norms and practices of the society.
2kool
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That would be beautiful. Especially if it the HBCUs put what they learn into PRACTICE without just taking donations, meeting up...and that's it.
That would be worth endless community involvement to raise money for. Fish fry's, pancake breakfasts, car washes...you name it.
Sign me up.
SUJagFan
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pompous (ˈpɒmpəs)
— adj
1. exaggeratedly or ostentatiously dignified or self-important
2. ostentatiously lofty in style: a pompous speech
3. rare characterized by ceremonial pomp or splendour
wind·bag (wind′bag′)
noun
INFORMAL a person who talks much and pretentiously but says little of importance
Your pretentious, overblown and verbose posts are not impressive to anyone but yourself.
Societal integration has never meant "obtaining equal opportunities and the total exchange between the different groups" and whatever else you were blathering about. The premise that there must be equal opportunity and total exchange between two social groups from them to integrated is false. African Americans are integrated into American society though there are inequities and less than full exchange between African Americans and the predominant society as a whole.
Jafus (Thinker)
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SUJagFan,
Obviously, it has gotten your attention and time, so, I will continue. I respectfully disagree with your assertion. I am suggesting that African Americans have culturally and structurally assimilated to the core European American cultural society, but true social integration did not take place as prescribed by historical practices and text. Unfortunately, it was unilateral in its application, which is the actual process of cultural and structural assimilation. However, I do agree, there are inequities and less than full exchange between African Americans and the predominant society (European Americans) as a whole.
Obviously, it has gotten your attention and time, so, I will continue. I respectfully disagree with your assertion. I am suggesting that African Americans have culturally and structurally assimilated to the core European American cultural society, but true social integration did not take place as prescribed by historical practices and text. Unfortunately, it was unilateral in its application, which is the actual process of cultural and structural assimilation. However, I do agree, there are inequities and less than full exchange between African Americans and the predominant society (European Americans) as a whole.
number1
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The good thing is those top money programs give back to their schools. Florida athletics gave the school $6 million, and has been doing so for the past 20 years. Those programs make a lot of money, but they also help highlight their school on a national and global scale.
ghostwriter
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again......the next successful HBCU program will be the one who blows it up and starts from scratch....got to get the dead weight out and stop worrying about friends and family...
I attended a watch night service night and it was jam packed (all 3 were) and I know half the blacks there reside more than 15 miles away from the church......I think we may need to follow the church method and apply it to our athletic deparrtments now...
our presidents attend these mega churches so I know they see it...
I attended a watch night service night and it was jam packed (all 3 were) and I know half the blacks there reside more than 15 miles away from the church......I think we may need to follow the church method and apply it to our athletic deparrtments now...
our presidents attend these mega churches so I know they see it...
So you want HBCUs to bilk large sums of money from the masses with prosperity preaching about claiming five-star athletes, lucrative television contracts, and competiting for FCS national championships year in and year out?
SUJagFan
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Oh, I'm sure you will continue. Not because your deliberately obtuse style is effective, but because it soothes your ego. The need to make yourself seem smart and important reeks of insecurity and overcompensation. It's obvious what you do is for yourself and not for the reader. What's most unfortunate is that anyone with a smidgen of vocabulary or a dictionary can tell that you've said absolutely nothing. So, your pretension is doing nothing but making you look like an ass. I'm trying to help you, dude. I'm your friend. :lol:
To the point - assimilation. While it is true that African Americans have retained little of African traditions, customs and language, it can be argued that African Americans are a culture unto themselves. One separate and distinct from Africans, born of slavery and segregation and is still the most distinct of all American subcultures. Assimilated? I think not. Not only is African American culture the most distinct, much of American popular culture is shaped by African Americans. Is it possible that rather than us being grafted into European American culture, that America is truly an amalgam of cultures - a melting pot if you will - with us being as influential in shaping the culture as any other group? I believe that it is. They are as much a part of us as we are a part of them.
Panther88
Banned
You're saying so much deeeeeeeeep stuff until I almost caught a woody. lol :slap: I LOVE when the truth is spoken and not an assertion. 2 many freaking points to comment on other than to give you this -> :bowdown:
*it is true that African Americans have retained little of African traditions, customs and language
*African Americans are a culture unto themselves
*(African-American culture) One separate and distinct from Africans, born of slavery and segregation and is still the most distinct of all American subcultures
*Not only is African American culture the most distinct, much of American popular culture is shaped by African Americans
*America is truly an amalgam of cultures - a melting pot if you will
*(African-Americans) being as influential in shaping the (American) culture as any other group
*They are as much a part of us as we are a part of them
Excellent. :clap: :bowdown: :clap: :bowdown: :clap: :bowdown: :clap:
I agree 100%. Our schools do a poor job of teaching others about its history
the band fan
Baseball Fan
What are the BCS schools doing to retain their coaches and attracr players? It's the same philosophies just different concepts....They talked about it on the Mississippi State game today on how their boosters will do what it taskes to keep Mullin and upgrade faciities....
pbla
Focus
Exactly my point in my earlier post. You got to pay to keep your image momentum. :tup: