Jackson State and Alabama State Marching Bands Publicly Reprimanded


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SUtrp96 said:
Man make up your mind.. it's clear you want to stick around and cry your eyes out...smh

But first you said it was NCAA rule ... now you saying it is SWAC rule?!?! Do you even know what side of the fence you on? It's evident you are one of those mofos that GOTTA be right no matter what..even if you have on 2 left shoes....:shame:


And it's not a SWAC rule...yet anyway... only 2 bands have been repremanded... Maybe because the REFs felt these 2 bands were ABUSING the rule... did you ever stop to think about that? Or are you just in this.."Fug that Im right ... oh the people that was agreeing with me changed it up a lil... aww hell naw..im still right" mode?!?! :lol:
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Calm down man! Always trying to argue with folks, even when they agree with you.

I called it the "SWAC Rule" because the SWAC decided that the NCAA rule on bands wasn't good enough for us, and decided to amend it...which, IMO, is dumb as hell. Okay...it might not be officially dubbed "The SWAC Rule". But when people mention it, you know exactly what they are talking about, right?

I have no problem with the NCAA rule, which tells bands that artificial noise shouldn't be made to the point where players can't hear the signals. I interpreted that to mean that the bands simply need to bring the volume down (not necessarily STFU) prior to the snap, so the players can hear the signals. It's true...if bands can't at least follow THIS rule, they deserve to be reprimanded.

I have a problem with this amended "SWAC Rule", that literally tells bands to STFU prior to the snap... and during the play, and even after the play is dead (according to some refs and other folks).

And for the record, JSU and AlaSU aren't the only bands that have been reprimanded because of this rule. PV and GSU were reprimanded last year because of this rule as well. 4 down...6 to go...
 
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Duer is taking away your freedoms. First, this band reprimand, next thing you know the attire of the dancing girls will be questioned. We have to stop this guy. Just look at what he's done with SWAC TV contract. Some of the games are still on tape delay!

They were on tape delay when had the BET contract. The SWAC basketball tournament site has been influx. Do you not see what this man is doing? He's destroying our league with his anti-SWAC policies! This guy came from the Big Ten -- those are elitist people over there.

They don't care about you and me. The elite don't want the Boise States, Utahs and TCUs to live the NCAA dream of winning the national championship. What makes you think Duer cares about the SWAC?

Look, don't believe me. Do your own research and find out the truth.

We have to come together and take our SWAC back before its too late!
 



Let me point out a few things. Every rule is open to what is referred to as "interpretation". They even have case books that the officials study that have situations, and how to interpret the rule to fit that situation. Each official is slightly different at times with their interpretation of rules. When I was on the staff at PV, I would ask the referee at EVERY game how they would be administering the rules on bands, so as to avoid the spectacle of having to stop the game to warn our band. What I found is that it depended on the ref and the stadium. One official told me in Reliant Stadium that the band didn't necessarily have to stop when they broke the huddle, but if he could hear it on the field, they were too loud, and subject to reprimand. I had another tell me at a PV home game that everything MUST stop when the team breaks the huddle. From experience, most will even give you a little leeway once the huddle is broken to get to a point to bring it down. The ref will turn and look at the band and give them a few seconds to recognize the situation and adjust. 9 times out of 10, if a ref gets on the mic and makes that warning, you never even realized that he has already given you more chances than the rule stipulates. If I drive 90 mph for an hour and a half without getting stopped, is it a valid argument to tell the cop who stopped me at hour number 2 that I have been going 90 for the last hour and a half and nobody said anything? That's how ridiculous some of you sound.

All you all comparing crowd noise to bands are comparing apples to unleaded gasoline. The 2 are TOTALLY different. A fan is not an arm of the university, nor a participant in the game. Therefore, they can legally make as much natural noise as they want. A band can sing as loud as they want to for as LONG as they want to. But the minute they tap a drum or put air in a horn, it becomes artificial, amplified noise, which is prohibited BY RULE while the ball is in play. PVSax, in the NFL, or any other major college game, you will NOT hear ANY artificial noise (scoreboard, music from the speakers, air horns, NOTHING) once the huddle is broken. You just hear thousands of fans CHEERING for their team.

I want you all to think of it like this. How many of you have ever ventured to the field for the 5th quarter of a game? Many times, while the band is playing, you have to literally SCREAM to have a conversation with the person next to you. Now try having that conversation with a person 30 yards from you with a mouhpiece in your mouth. Gets old FAST!!! And this comes from a guy who loves band probably more than anybody on here.
 
aye S Phi S....just FYI

The Boom could not hear a thing on those loud speakers from where they were at....i sat right next to the drums and didn't even know there speakers until i went over to TxSU side.....
 
FrostyNacho said:
aye S Phi S....just FYI

The Boom could not hear a thing on those loud speakers from where they were at....i sat right next to the drums and didn't even know there speakers until i went over to TxSU side.....
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LOL....Yeah I know. I had to send someone over there to tell them to STFU so we could do the Hall Of Fame presentation for halftime. That's why the halftime was so dayum long. The place where I was supposed to be starting that presentation, I had to wait for them to finish "proving their point" to the Ocean as they left the field and headed back to the stands. Butler Stadium's sound system SUCKS!!! LOL
 
PVSAX99 said:
Calm down man! Always trying to argue with folks, even when they agree with you.

I called it the "SWAC Rule" because the SWAC decided that the NCAA rule on bands wasn't good enough for us, and decided to amend it...which, IMO, is dumb as hell. Okay...it might not be officially dubbed "The SWAC Rule". But when people mention it, you know exactly what they are talking about, right?

I have no problem with the NCAA rule, which tells bands that artificial noise shouldn't be made to the point where players can't hear the signals. I interpreted that to mean that the bands simply need to bring the volume down (not necessarily STFU) prior to the snap, so the players can hear the signals. It's true...if bands can't at least follow THIS rule, they deserve to be reprimanded.

I have a problem with this amended "SWAC Rule", that literally tells bands to STFU prior to the snap... and during the play, and even after the play is dead (according to some refs and other folks).

And for the record, JSU and AlaSU aren't the only bands that have been reprimanded because of this rule. PV and GSU were reprimanded last year because of this rule as well. 4 down...6 to go...
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My bad 99.... I was in the spirit of blowing on the cry baby with his dumb remarks ...most of that was directed towards him..
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These bands should not be reprimanded...Period Point Blank...

Some people on this board and in this thread act as though they have never been to a SWAC game...

Band directors and students know the rules and no one in any organization would want to get their team penalized...(most bands adhere to this and play softly when they are supposed to...and then increase volume at the appropriate time to keep the crowd hyped)

With that being said...all those who want HBCU games to resemble the atmosphere of PWC games, please elaborate on how you would get the average HBCU football game attendee to cheer, yell, or chant for the team as they do in the atmosphere of DeWight Mann's games?

We will wait...
 
s phi s said:
Let me point out a few things. Every rule is open to what is referred to as "interpretation". They even have case books that the officials study that have situations, and how to interpret the rule to fit that situation. Each official is slightly different at times with their interpretation of rules. When I was on the staff at PV, I would ask the referee at EVERY game how they would be administering the rules on bands, so as to avoid the spectacle of having to stop the game to warn our band. What I found is that it depended on the ref and the stadium. One official told me in Reliant Stadium that the band didn't necessarily have to stop when they broke the huddle, but if he could hear it on the field, they were too loud, and subject to reprimand. I had another tell me at a PV home game that everything MUST stop when the team breaks the huddle. From experience, most will even give you a little leeway once the huddle is broken to get to a point to bring it down. The ref will turn and look at the band and give them a few seconds to recognize the situation and adjust. 9 times out of 10, if a ref gets on the mic and makes that warning, you never even realized that he has already given you more chances than the rule stipulates. If I drive 90 mph for an hour and a half without getting stopped, is it a valid argument to tell the cop who stopped me at hour number 2 that I have been going 90 for the last hour and a half and nobody said anything? That's how ridiculous some of you sound.
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I see where you are trying to go with this angle. Now granted, some folks will push their limits and see what they can get away with, and they deserve whatever they get. But there is no need to go altering rules like that.

The way I see this scenario, assuming that the law says that you can go 75mph, you should be allowed to go 70mph and not worry about anything. But then the police officer stops and tickets you anyway because he thinks that you should go under 60mph. 75mph was just not safe enough, and neither was 70mph...even though the speed limits are already set. How is that fair?
 
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s phi s said:
At last weekend's game, about an hour before kickoff, the SWAC Observer found me and mentioned this rule. He stated that when the referee warned a band, I was to repeat the announcement over the PA system. So I asked him about the rule. Once a team breaks the huddle, there is to be no artificial noise either over the PA system, or through any type of air horn or noisemaker. You guys compare it to the NFL, yet I don't care HOW MANY games you watch, you will never hear anything other than crowd noise after a team breaks the huddle. Watch any of these big time college games this weekend. As the team approaches the line, you will hear nothing but FANS.

Listen to USC, Florida, LSU....They ALL play stuff dayum near between every play, but once the QB breaks the huddle, they stop.
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Thanks, s phi s. That is just what I tried to relay yesterday.


BLAQUE PRINCE said:
Maybe I missed it but no one seems to have addressed what the rule actually says...

I don't see anything here about having to play between plays or not playing while the QB is under center. All I see is that a band cannot prohibit a team from hearing its signals. So it seems that all a band actually needs to do is bring the volume down while the ball is being snapped or the team is in the huddle so that the teams can hear.

So where do you all get all these other rules and regulations about when a band is allowed to play? It appears the actual rule has been blown completely out of proportion.
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What you miss is that the band doesn't determine what that level is; the coach of the offended team does. All he has to do is complain about artificial noise and your band is going to be (and should be) warned. Your team will get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty of 15 yards. You wil instantly be the favorite band of the opposing team.

I am a bandhead of nearly 40 years. There is nothing that a band needs to play between the breaking of the offensive huddle and the end of the subsequent play. NOTHING. That is why I gave the reference to Pep (Basketball) Band. The pep band NEVER plays while the basketball is in play and is ready to play the instant time is called. The arrangements played are less than a minute. I have been to Big East games where the band plays during 30-second timeouts. They prepare for it.

In effect, a prepared band could play IN EVERY MINUTE of a SWAC football game (less preparing & returning from halftime) and NEVER violate the noise rule.
 
Duer is only doing what the SWAC Presidents let him do, don't think this reprimand would float if Mason was still President at JSU.
 
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