Jackson State and Alabama State Marching Bands Publicly Reprimanded


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dacontinent said:
  1. The band playing while a play is in progress on the field is just disrespectful to the game.
  2. If your fight song /battle cry cannot be completed between the extra point and the kickoff, it's just too long.
  3. Play when people can pay attention to your playing.
  4. From NCAA FOOTBALL 2009-2010 RULES AND INTERPRETATIONS, here is Rule 9, Section 2, Article 1, Part b, Number 6:
    Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals.
    PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Flagrant offenders, if players or substitutes, shall be disqualified.
So, all of the rest of the stuff - fines, suspensions, etc., comes from the CONFERENCE OFFICE and has nothing to do with a ruling by the NCAA.
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The way SWAC football teams play football is just disrespectful to the game...lol

Yall can hate on the bands all you want to...but without those bands, SWAC football is just a couple of notches lower than Highschool Football in Texas in terms of importance...LOL
 
SUtrp96 said:
Kid you speaking like your opinion is the highest and most almighty...

I and others have told yall all yesterday why we think it's dumb.. obviously it ain't sink in with you yet hasn't it?
Some of yall are a trip....lol
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This is really bothering you...

Stop being so damn emotional and sensitive and keep it moving.
 



IT'S A FOOTBALL GAME!

The rules were made because someone was getting out of contol! The same way all other rules are made! As crazy as the rules are, adjust and there won't be a problem!
 
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I see alot of folks comparing this to PWC games. Yall can say they set a better standard if you want. The difference is, if the bands don't show at those games.....people still will come.


Let the bands not show at a Swac game or an HBCU period, and see what happens.


I guarantee yall, if that ever happens.....their will be alot of sport officials and commisioners looking for another gig. Football teams bytch when they azzes are losing, but if the band is giving them momentum......than the coaches want the band to play. :shame:


But if you think i'm wrong, let that attendance fall and those PROFITS go down and see what happens. A fair resolution would be to let the band directors and the coaches be in on some revisons to the rule. Thats a fair jester. After all, would it be fair for band directors to make up the rules for the football team?

I'm just sayin.....
 
Once again, call me when the SWAC office suspend a band for playing.. Until then who cares.

The SWAC office knows who has the power when it concerns the crowd. Most folx attend these "Big Time" Classics to see the band competition, first. Then a football game second. This past weekend in Houston (Texas Southern vs Jackson State) and the last Texas Southern vs Southern proves the theory.

Big crowds equal big money. And the crowd is coming to see the bands.
 
At last weekend's game, about an hour before kickoff, the SWAC Observer found me and mentioned this rule. He stated that when the referee warned a band, I was to repeat the announcement over the PA system. So I asked him about the rule. Once a team breaks the huddle, there is to be no artificial noise either over the PA system, or through any type of air horn or noisemaker. You guys compare it to the NFL, yet I don't care HOW MANY games you watch, you will never hear anything other than crowd noise after a team breaks the huddle. Watch any of these big time college games this weekend. As the team approaches the line, you will hear nothing but FANS.

Listen to USC, Florida, LSU....They ALL play stuff dayum near between every play, but once the QB breaks the huddle, they stop. This past weekend at the JSU game, there was one play in particular that stuck out to me. JSU was on offense (this was after the warning, I believe). JSU snapped the ball and Therriault dropped back and threw a pass. As the ball was in flight, the JSU tenor drums started playing out of nowhere. I watched a catchable ball hit the turf cuz the drums scared the shat out of EVERYBODY, the JSU receiver included. He already was thinking about the defender bearing down on him that was not in his field of vision. It's that type of disregard for the game that brought about this heavy-handed enforcement.

I am a bandhead to my heart, so much so that it is my chosen profession. But I also see the need for these rules. I have seen too many times where the bands are SOOO caught up in what's going on ACROSS the field, that they forget there is a game happening ON the field. Yeah we used to be able to bring it down, and keep the song going, but bands have pushed the envelope for so long that they don't bring it down until 5 seconds after the teams are at the line. "Give a niggra an inch and they take a yard." SU is really the ONLY band I can think of who has consistantly been able to play within the rules, and its because they are actully in tune with the game. The rest of us really have a screwed up way of approaching this.
 
Ok? And? Hell SU broke the rule all Saturday night of the 16th. Hell, they played "Neck", "Power" and any other thing they could think when we had the ball, they had the ball, on kickoffs, during timeouts, when the refs was telling them to stop, etc....
 
s phi s said:
This past weekend at the JSU game, there was one play in particular that stuck out to me. JSU was on offense (this was after the warning, I believe). JSU snapped the ball and Therriault dropped back and threw a pass. As the ball was in flight, the JSU tenor drums started playing out of nowhere. I watched a catchable ball hit the turf cuz the drums scared the shat out of EVERYBODY, the JSU receiver included. He already was thinking about the defender bearing down on him that was not in his field of vision. It's that type of disregard for the game that brought about this heavy-handed enforcement.
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I actually remember this play and we actually discussed what happened. I was like "Did the drums scare him or what?" No excuses for dropping the ball though. He should have been concentrating on the game.
 
Blacknbengal said:
Ok? And? Hell SU broke the rule all Saturday night of the 16th. Hell, they played "Neck", "Power" and any other thing they could think when we had the ball, they had the ball, on kickoffs, during timeouts, when the refs was telling them to stop, etc....
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I did not see that game, therefore was not referencing any specific instances. I spoke more in general terms.

docmump said:
I actually remember this play and we actually discussed what happened. I was like "Did the drums scare him or what?" No excuses for dropping the ball though. He should have been concentrating on the game.
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I agree, but still.
 
CEE DOG said:
First of all we have a commisioner who is an idiot. We have ref's who are dumber than our commissioner. Add that together and you just got dumbness all the way around. Don't really care about this rule, I just wanted to point out the Sharp is a dumb azz.
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Maybe I missed it but no one seems to have addressed what the rule actually says...

6. Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any
noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals (Rule 1-1-6).
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I don't see anything here about having to play between plays or not playing while the QB is under center. All I see is that a band cannot prohibit a team from hearing its signals. So it seems that all a band actually needs to do is bring the volume down while the ball is being snapped or the team is in the huddle so that the teams can hear.

So where do you all get all these other rules and regulations about when a band is allowed to play? It appears the actual rule has been blown completely out of proportion.
 
BLAQUE PRINCE said:
Maybe I missed it but no one seems to have addressed what the rule actually says...



I don't see anything here about having to play between plays or not playing while the QB is under center. All I see is that a band cannot prohibit a team from hearing its signals. So it seems that all a band actually needs to do is bring the volume down while the ball is being snapped or the team is in the huddle so that the teams can hear.

So where do you all get all these other rules and regulations about when a band is allowed to play? It appears the actual rule has been blown completely out of proportion.
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Hence the argument "We used to be able to bring it down". Very true. There was a lot of leeway given for bands to police themselves as long as they were not interfering with the game.
 
s phi s said:
Hence the argument "We used to be able to bring it down". Very true. There was a lot of leeway given for bands to police themselves as long as they were not interfering with the game.
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Now I agree with you on bands making basically sporadic noises while the ball is in play. That should probably be dealt with on the spot...especially when its obvious it affected game play.
 
BLAQUE PRINCE said:
Maybe I missed it but no one seems to have addressed what the rule actually says...



I don't see anything here about having to play between plays or not playing while the QB is under center. All I see is that a band cannot prohibit a team from hearing its signals. So it seems that all a band actually needs to do is bring the volume down while the ball is being snapped or the team is in the huddle so that the teams can hear.

So where do you all get all these other rules and regulations about when a band is allowed to play? It appears the actual rule has been blown completely out of proportion.
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Hmmm....................... So, this means that I can still dance to "Power" all 2nd quarter. :happydance:
 
Dr. Phreeze said:
This is really bothering you...

Stop being so damn emotional and sensitive and keep it moving.
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Negro.. I ain't start this thread.. neither am I replying and Amening to every one that disagree or agree with me.. that would be you.. You should have been keep it moving.
 
BLAQUE PRINCE said:
Maybe I missed it but no one seems to have addressed what the rule actually says...



I don't see anything here about having to play between plays or not playing while the QB is under center. All I see is that a band cannot prohibit a team from hearing its signals. So it seems that all a band actually needs to do is bring the volume down while the ball is being snapped or the team is in the huddle so that the teams can hear.

So where do you all get all these other rules and regulations about when a band is allowed to play? It appears the actual rule has been blown completely out of proportion.
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s phi s said:
Hence the argument "We used to be able to bring it down". Very true. There was a lot of leeway given for bands to police themselves as long as they were not interfering with the game.
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Exactly.. that's what SU been doing.. when the QB is under center we would play very "soft"... then once the ball is snapped we are back to our normal volume...

That's what made HBCU games exciting.... saying the bands can't play at all is dumb to me...

But I see we have folk that never marched in a band nor played football that are now know-it-alls...
 
Man, some of ya'll sound like NFL defensive players who are upset at Roger Goodell because they can't railroad offensive players. LOL!

What do you mean the bands can't play non-stop for four quarters? They can't change. They have been taught by their band directors to ignore what's going on the field and just bojangle their little hearts out.
 
SUtrp96 said:
Exactly.. that's what SU been doing.. when the QB is under center we would play very "soft"... then once the ball is snapped we are back to our normal volume...

That's what made HBCU games exciting.... saying the bands can't play at all is dumb to me...

But I see we have folk that never marched in a band nor played football that are now know-it-alls...
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But J, nobody is saying for them not to play at ALL. Just play within the RULES. I have watched SOOOO many bands miss SOOOO many opportunities to play it is ridiculous. Then when they play at a point they aren't supposed to, they pitch a fit and holler about "SWAC Band Rules"...Our problem is, we "have to finish the phrase" before we even think about changing volume, cutting off, or ANYTHING. That, and the fact that we are IMMUNE to playing a SHORT version of ANYTHING. I dunno what makes a band think they will be able to get PYT off in the middle of a drive.
 
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